OT:Cross Country Road Trip Anyone?

[paramount]

[quote=deadzone]
What’s the problem with that? As a citizen I am happy to know they are pulling dirt bags off the street [/quote]

Thank you Patriots for all that you do; I know it’s uncomfortable (to say the least) to take a stand against Tyranny. Always has been, always will be.

But know that we are on the right side of history.

The United States is well down the path to becoming a Police State.

There will always be weak minded people like dougie and dead who will readily surrender their rights to make peace with the establishment.

If it were up to these weak minded freedom haters we would still be British subjects.

And Thank You to all who have made the ultimate sacrifice in the name of Freedom.

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin.

[UCGal]

[quote=davelj][quote=UCGal]
Do you carry your passport with you everywhere you go? [/quote]

Yes. My wallet – if that’s what you would call it – consists of just four items: (1) US Passport Card, (2) drivers license, (3) ATM card, and (4) a credit card. It might be the thinnest wallet on record. If folks are required to carry a license to drive – and aren’t particularly put out by so doing – how difficult is it to carry a passport card? Just sayin’…[/quote]
Good for you.

My passport book does not fit in a wallet. But it does allow me to travel international by plane. Passport cards are limited to specific countries and specific modes of travel.

I’m too cheap to have both.

I’m sure you’re aware that US citizens are not required to have passports. Only one in three US citizens has a valid passport.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/ppi/stats/stats_890.html

[spdrun]

What’s the problem with that? As a citizen I am happy to know they are pulling dirt bags off the street who are driving drunk, no license/insurance, etc.

So am I. Except that there are better ways to do that than wholesale or random stops. DUI can be observed. No insurance can be detected via a database of insured cars vs registered cars. Run plates at random, only pull over/tow cars that show that they’re uninsured.

Why can’t I be a douchebag like sdprun? Should I be pumping my breaks to annoy tailgaters? I don’t get it. This shit is supposed to be happening to me.

Me? I specifically DON’T want to annoy tailgaters; just encourage them to pass. I think the guy who posted about brake-checking them was AN.

[Dougie944]

Paramount, your problem is that you cannot clearly state anything that has happened. You start by calling the law the “show me your papers law”. If you are a US citizen, there are no papers to show. Very inaccurate description of the law, but you use it to try and mischaracterize the law. As I posted earlier, when traveling in Europe, you must also carry and show your immigration docs to officials and even at some hotels. I was a guest of those countries and followed their rules. No big deal.

Please explain your statement below and what suspicion-less detainment the SC affirmed.

Paramount stated: What I’m referring to is suspicion-less detainment and seizures that the activist supreme court eagerly affirmed in part to strengthen the police state agenda.

No such thing was done. Only after a lawful stop or encounter can a law enforcement officer determine immigration status. If they ask for “papers”, they are only referring to legal immigrants who are already required to carry and show their immigration docs as a condition of being here. They are free not to “carry papers” back in their own
country.

If stops or encounters are unlawful, those need to be taken to court.

You are king of the straw man argument. Get your facts straight and then someone can have a rational discussion with you.

[davelj]

[quote=UCGal][quote=davelj][quote=UCGal]
Do you carry your passport with you everywhere you go? [/quote]

Yes. My wallet – if that’s what you would call it – consists of just four items: (1) US Passport Card, (2) drivers license, (3) ATM card, and (4) a credit card. It might be the thinnest wallet on record. If folks are required to carry a license to drive – and aren’t particularly put out by so doing – how difficult is it to carry a passport card? Just sayin’…[/quote]
Good for you.

My passport book does not fit in a wallet. But it does allow me to travel international by plane. Passport cards are limited to specific countries and specific modes of travel.

I’m too cheap to have both.

I’m sure you’re aware that US citizens are not required to have passports. Only one in three US citizens has a valid passport.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/ppi/stats/stats_890.html%5B/quote%5D

Too cheap to have both? Please. A passport card costs $55 ($40 if you already have a passport book) and is valid for 10 years. You spend more than that even on those odd occasions that you go out to eat.

Yes, I’m aware that US citizens are not required to have passports. Perhaps they should be required to have them if they are going to benefit from the protections our country provides them. Again, obtaining and carrying a drivers license does not appear to have greatly burdened the affected Citizenry… is a passport card really such a big imposition? I certainly didn’t view it as such.

It’s more expensive and time consuming to get your cable service hooked up. I’m not seeing the big deal.

[paramount]

[quote=davelj] I’m not seeing the big deal.[/quote]

Of course you don’t; fascists never do…

[mike92104]

[quote=deadzone][quote=mike92104]Again, the checkpoints used to be a means of checking your immigration or citizen status. Now they are used as a dragnet to search anyone they see fit for any violation.[/quote]

What’s the problem with that? As a citizen I am happy to know they are pulling dirt bags off the street who are driving drunk, no license/insurance, etc. I assume you guys are the same ACLU types who are against the checkpoints in Escondido? Of course in Escondido if they (the police) find an illegal they can’t do anything with them except impound their car since California is basically a “sanctuary” state.[/quote]

Tell me where you would draw the line? At what point do the random searches begin to violate the 4th Amendment?

[spdrun]

Too cheap to have both? Please. A passport card costs $55 ($40 if you already have a passport book) and is valid for 10 years.

And why should I pay $55 for a duplicative document that serves no purpose, and that I’ll seldom use? I travel to Europe much more often than to Canada or Mexico.

Getting a passport card if you already have a passport book is throwing away money. I have no desire to waste money, whether it’s $4, $40, or $40,000. Frankly, I’d rather spend the money going out to eat — a passport card isn’t very tasty last I checked.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=spdrun]

Too cheap to have both? Please. A passport card costs $55 ($40 if you already have a passport book) and is valid for 10 years.

And why should I pay $55 for a duplicative document that serves no purpose, and that I’ll seldom use? I travel to Europe much more often than to Canada or Mexico.

Getting a passport card if you already have a passport book is throwing away money. I have no desire to waste money, whether it’s $4, $40, or $40,000. Frankly, I’d rather spend the money going out to eat — a passport card isn’t very tasty last I checked.[/quote]

If a “passport card” is the same as a “Sentri-Pass,” I would think $40-$55 is a small price to pay to go thru a faster lane entering the US and be treated with more respect by the border patrol … that is, for people who cross frequently, ESPECIALLY in San Ysidro, the largest US/MX intl border crossing.

fwiw, I don’t have a valid passport. It expired many years ago and I don’t have any need/desire to renew it at present. I haven’t been across the border since before 9/11.

[spdrun]

Nope, a passport card is just a credit-card-sized version of a US passport. A SENTRI card is something different.

[sdrealtor]

But you can just carry your password if you like. The passport card is a convenience. People pay for convenience. It may not be worth it to you so don’t sweat it. Just wear pants with bigger pockets

[spdrun]

I actually generally do carry it when traveling domestically, since it provides a form of ID that doesn’t have address or much other personal info on it.

[davelj]

[quote=paramount][quote=davelj] I’m not seeing the big deal.[/quote]

Of course you don’t; fascists never do…[/quote]

I’m pretty sure that liking the idea of american citizens carrying around a passport card does not automatically deem one a fascist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist

Seems like a bit of a jump. Why isn’t it fascist to require drivers to obtain a license? (Or perhaps it is?) Or for people to have to provide state-sanctioned birth certificates for obtaining all manner of things? (Or perhaps it is?) I could go on and on. My point is that “fascism” appears to be pretty subjective.

[earlyretirement]

I missed this thread first time around. I posted an OT thread but reposting here as this thread is interesting and this video pertains to this topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpEtsREAQgk

[paramount]

[quote=earlyretirement]I missed this thread first time around. I posted an OT thread but reposting here as this thread is interesting and this video pertains to this topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpEtsREAQgk%5B/quote%5D

That is a good video, I believe the 1st guy is a Pastor in Arizona and as I recall the Border Patrol did finally get around to tasering and beating him up.

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