Corona Virus vs. The Bill of Rights

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=The-Shoveler]Not sure how much longer they can suppress this sentiment

Elon Musk’s F-bomb rant against lockdowns reflects ‘growing sentiment,’ says Dr. Scott Gottlieb[/quote]

Money>life. I get it. Its just funny, with all the abortion hysterics on the right.

We will definitely be the winner for most dead at the end of it.

Americans will think, eh, it was the old and the weak, back home in heaven. But these fetuses. They had so much potential.

Youth culture gone mad. I love you little embryo. Too bad so sad, gramps.

How many life-years left for the decrepit overweight boomers? Not many, we think, dreaming of stock market highs. We are all death panelists now.

As we should be. Life is not sacred. Can we all at least agree on that?

We make that clear with foreigners lives, and the old, weak, the minority communities, anyone who has no insurance, is just a bag of water and chemicals.

the elderly suicide in MIDSOMMAR. If you’ve seen that movie. Scary. Great horror movie. Is what we are.

A culture of youth, sex, death, war, fear, force imprisonment and winner take all.

I often feel I hate pretty much the whole world.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=The-Shoveler]It is “NOT” a binary thing,

We could have achieved much the same result with much less drastic measures.[/quote]

Most dead in the world, but with a better quarter this year?

I’m not saying its binary, money OR life. Both are important.

But money is more important.

[The-Shoveler]

The Lock downs will result in more deaths than the virus unchecked would around the world.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=The-Shoveler]The Lock downs will result in more deaths than the virus unchecked would around the world.[/quote]

And all preventable, with the social and political will

[scaredyclassic]

I’m not claiming to be better. I value money more than life.

Hell, with my large life insurance policy I’m practically life neutral nowadays.

[spdrun]

Well, COVID spread seems to be declining in California, but Prettyboy Newsom decided to close beaches and parks anyway. I understand the need to close indoor places and crowded outdoor venues like stadiums, but thi is just Newsom being drunk on power and/or bowing to pressure from alarmist do-gooders.

“What we’re doing is working, but let’s kick people when they’re down.” Ugh.

[Coronita]

I think newsom did the right thing closing the beaches actually. we aren’t in decline yet and better safe than sorry rather than revisiting this isue again in July. Not like much businesses are depending on the beaches right now anyway. and if people want to exercise the can walk or run in the park.

[spdrun]

Governor Prettyboy ordered parks closed, too. Here’s the question: California’s medical system isn’t overwhelmed, so what’s the goal here? Complete eradication? Even Newsom admits that it’s unlikely.

Beaches and parks being open shouldn’t be about businesses. It should be about people being able to enjoy themselves as much as possible, even during a time of crisis. Also, outside of very packed outdoor settings like stadiums, outdoor transmission has been deemed unlikely. When was the last time that you’ve seen groups of people within 6′ of each other on a beach? Groups usually have at least one person’s height between them.

Sweden has the right idea — accept some deaths as the price of not robbing everyone of their civil liberties, but have common-sense restrictions in place (high schools closed, no gatherings > 50 people, encourage WFH even if it’s not explicitly mandated).

Why are quality of human life and psychological health being discounted, and only mere length of life is being considered?

[gogogosandiego]

He closed the beaches because 1000’s of people are using them if/when opened and not following the guidelines. Additionally there are 100’s of idiots using the beach areas as a staging area for “protests”.

In SD people from all over the county come to the beaches if/when open. It’s goes against the spirit of the stay home orders.

[gogogosandiego]

There is no evidence of this. Pure reckless speculation.

Edit: in response to “the shutdown will cause more deaths than the unchecked virus”.

[spdrun]

What if they did it by license #? Restrict non-resident parking in all beach parking lots and within 10 blocks of any public beach. Plates ending with even numbers get to use beaches on even-numbered days of the month, odd numbers on odd days. Or change it to the last digit of the plate has to match the last digit of the day of the month if they’re still crowded.

Yeah, the protestors are idiots — but they’re not going away any time soon if the state keeps creating restrictions that aren’t based on good science. California beaches on a bad day are still probably less packed than your average line of Karens outside of a Home Depot garden section.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=gogogosandiego]There is no evidence of this. Pure reckless speculation.

Edit: in response to “the shutdown will cause more deaths than the unchecked virus”.[/quote]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/africa/coronavirus-famine-un-warning-intl/index.html

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/poverty/494060-un-warns-coronavirus-could-cause-global-famines-of-biblical

[gogogosandiego]

You’re making my point.The shutdown isn’t causing any of that.

[The-Shoveler]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/coronavirus-biblical-famines-could-double-global-hunger-un-warns.html

[gogogosandiego]

It gets complicated. Some beaches are county, some are individual town beaches. Some are state. My friend is a lifeguard. He was telling me about open beaches with closed parking lots which means people were parking all over the streets. Fights were breaking out over parking.

Some of the beach areas here are known as being a hangout for people from East County, Others attract gangbangers (or at least want-to-be gangbangers) from the South County. Both groups were out in force this past weekend per my friend.

There was a protest in PB where a good chunk of the people were from the Temecula area. The “news” about these protests are circulating on social media and attracting any and all nutjobs from the region to descend on the beach.

Opening beaches in the middle of stay at home guidance was a disaster waiting to happen.

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