Conspiracy to manipulate Stock market

[sogon]

Isn’t it illegal to conspire to manipulate the stock market? If so, how is it that the FED chair can regularly talk to the heads of Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers to conspire? Are they simply above the law, if we all got together and decided to manipulate the interest rates and stock prices of the entire country, we would all go to jail. Any thoughts.

P.S. I’m not part of the tin foil hat crowd, but just wondered about this.

[LookoutBelow]

Hahahahaaaaa !…..'Not part of the tin foil hat crowd" ….indeed

I guarantee you its MANIPULATED!!…There is a hell of a lot MORE at stake here than a few big wigs at GS or LEH…To think that the market is "Left to normal market forces or chance" !, such thoughts are simply stupid. It is a matter of national security..and THAT is not left to chance !

Would you play in a game in Las Vegas if you KNEW or SUSPECTED it was rigged ?….Of course not.

"Something for nothing" mentality reigns supreme in America (and the world really) ……The entire thing is a SCAM

Look at "Leonard the Wonder Monkey" and see how he (the monkey with the rolodex stock picks) BEATS Wall Streets BEST traders year after year after year after year……And then you have the "Technical analysis" crowd, who have formulated a chart and cool sounding names for EVERYTHING that could possibly be measured in a stock and they STILL get creamed 90% of the time.

Why is it not illegal ? Who knows ?…

It IS the biggest game in town and People LOVE to gamble, so next time somebody tells you that they are "Investors" in the market you can laugh at their stupidity and choice of terms….Tell them they are GAMBLERS playing in a rigged game like it REALLY is….

 

After saying that, I must admit that I have made a LOT of money in the market from years gone by.

[Alex_angel]

Shhhhhhhhhhh, don’t you see the black helicopters circling overhead?

[jficquette]

You wouldn’t have as stock market unless the street was guaranteed a profit.

The steet hires the best and brighest and invests billions in infrastructure. You wouldn’t do that unless you knew you would make money. Otherwise you might as well take the money and open a casino.

John

[Go-kartMozart]

Whatever you think about the stock market is what will be true. If you think it is gambling then that is what you are doing. If you are trading or investing with scared money you will also lose. In these cases save your money and stay out.

[davidt1]

What conspiracy? The government has always favored inflation over recession. If rates are high, companies won’t be able to expand. People will get laid off. The economy will suffer. They are trying to keep the economy from sinking into a recession. There is no conspiracy. I am one of those technical traders who consistently make money in the stock market, whether it goes up or down. It gives me good laugh to hear the clueless talk.

[sogon]

You don’t believe the FED and the heads of the major banks secretly manipulate the stock market? I have no doubt that they have reasons to do so, possible even benign, such as preventing recession. Conspiracy doesn’t have to be evil it just has to be secret.
And my question is, is illegal to manipulate the stock market. These guys do it every day in secret.
Secretly manipulating the stock market hmmmm, sounds like a conspiracy.

[LookoutBelow]

DavidT1…..You are somewhat, in a tiny way correct in your methods of technical analysis, but ANY technical analysis is ALWAYS corrupted by the views/beliefs of the analyzer…..It is NOT a "simple mathematical calculation" at all when you add in the peculiarities of physcology of mass investors. You and NONE of your T/A cohorts can win all of the time, which would be the case if was 100% pure mathematical. Hahahaaaa…no DavidT1…its FAR from that

What you do by analyzing anything and everything "you" can think of to give you some type of edge….That is nothing more than trying to be a "Vegas card counter" in a game where the shoe contains 1 million decks of cards, or more.

If your a trend "gambler/investor" you might be a winner occasionally, but your beliefs and biased, corrupted data will eventually fail you, and if you've made a large bet on it, you'll be a LARGE loser.

If your a "scalper" then you could be a winner more than 50% of the time, but unless your dealing with capital risk investment of less than 500K, then your "earnings" couldnt raise a family or support a household.

It can be profitable some of the time, but for you to think T/A is a fool proof method of beating the street is folly. Iam willing to assume your a large margin trader….and we all know how those margin traders stories end…dont we ?…Especially now when the market turns Bear…its a helluva LOT harder to trade in a Bear market. You will see.

I would suggest you look into "black box" trading, or as its more commonly known as "Quantitative trading" (for your edification), that a few very large hedge funds use and failed…Get real DavidT1…You sitting at home in your spare bedroom in front of your desk top computer with 3 monitors "thinking you got a system thats fool proof, doesn't even compare to the GIGANTIC and incredibly expensive infrastructure they use along with the many PHD's that they employ to load and decipher data that you aren't even aware of (you cant possibly know) to predict future stock movements up or down….and maybe you could tell us how many hundreds of billions they lost the last 2 months ?

So to group everyone else into a category of "clueless" is painting with a broad brush…..

I have known many, many "supposed geniuses" like you lose EVERYTHING they own or ever made by "believing" they have a fool proof system…As a matter of fact, I have employed at least 4 PHD's over the last 10 yrs and not ONE of them was ever paid more than 40K per year each……

 

Good luck DavidT1…..

[davidt1]

Ok, calling people clueless was uncalled for. You are assuming so many things about someone you don’t even know, kind of like I did when I called people clueless. I never said technical analysis is foolproof. My strategy doesn’t work 100% of the time. In fact, I am wrong 40% of the time. I don’t trade on margin. You are right about the stock market being a game. But it is a game much like blackjack and poker where skill and experience are essential to winning. I will explain to you why people with PHD fail in this game. Actually one of your statement gives you the answer already. This game is an art. It is not a science where 1 + 1 = 2. If it were, then all the math majors would make a killing.

[drunkle]

some of these funds have so much money… why not buy options and just move your weight around to manipulate the price? you’d be guaranteed a profit…

[kewp]

I will explain to you why people with PHD fail in this game. Actually one of your statement gives you the answer already. This game is an art. It is not a science where 1 + 1 = 2. If it were, then all the math majors would make a killing.

Uh, do you realize that the *most* successful hedge fund in the world is managed by a PhD mathematician? With lots of PhD’s in his employ?

And their approach is 100% scientific? See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_Technologies

It never ceases to amaze me how people can be so aggressively wrong in this world.

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