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[quote=briansd1]Let’s just say that slavery as the cause of the Civil War is debatable.

The Civil War was a chain of events.

I still think that the issue of slavery and its expansion led the Southern States to secede. And the North went to war to preserve the Union.

Could we say that the South’s secession caused the war? But that the War was fought over preserving the Union (from a northern point of view) and over self-determination (from a White Southern perspective)?

BTW, Allan, thanks for the book recommendations. I read some books on the Civil War some time back, but don’t have the incentive to read more. I’d rather read about globalization and economics that affect us today.

PS: I think this whole debate over the Civil War and state rights today has to do with how the Tea Party sees its role as fighting the oppressive powers of the Federal government.

The Tea Party wants historical links to justify its existence. Hence all the dress-up parties in historical garb.[/quote]

I don’t think the Tea Party wants to exist. It is there out of a necessity for what change they feel needs to take place. Once that change takes place they may exist in a limited role as a watch dog but obviously won’t need to be as aggressive.

You make it sound like they want an excuse to wear costumes…which they don’t wear anymore. The historical link is the constitution they want to preserve as they feel the federal government has over stepped its boundaries as you mentioned.

This is there ideology. You don’t have to agree with it but you should at least respect it. To not respected it is as hypocritical as when you blame conservatives of being hypocritical when cheating on their spouse. It is hypocritical because liberals champion themselves on being all accepting of other peoples differences and ideology….and we all know this is so true.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I actually walked the Gettysburg battlefield over a three day period (following the actual battle itself) during a Command and Leadership course in War College at Carlisle, PA.[/quote]

C’mon Allan, we know you are old…but not that old!

But from now on, everyone must refer to Allan as “The Colonel.”

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I actually walked the Gettysburg battlefield over a three day period (following the actual battle itself) during a Command and Leadership course in War College at Carlisle, PA.[/quote]

C’mon Allan, we know you are old…but not that old!

But from now on, everyone must refer to Allan as “The Colonel.”

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I actually walked the Gettysburg battlefield over a three day period (following the actual battle itself) during a Command and Leadership course in War College at Carlisle, PA.[/quote]

C’mon Allan, we know you are old…but not that old!

But from now on, everyone must refer to Allan as “The Colonel.”

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I actually walked the Gettysburg battlefield over a three day period (following the actual battle itself) during a Command and Leadership course in War College at Carlisle, PA.[/quote]

C’mon Allan, we know you are old…but not that old!

But from now on, everyone must refer to Allan as “The Colonel.”

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I actually walked the Gettysburg battlefield over a three day period (following the actual battle itself) during a Command and Leadership course in War College at Carlisle, PA.[/quote]

C’mon Allan, we know you are old…but not that old!

But from now on, everyone must refer to Allan as “The Colonel.”

[Djshakes]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I actually walked the Gettysburg battlefield over a three day period (following the actual battle itself) during a Command and Leadership course in War College at Carlisle, PA.[/quote]

C’mon Allan, we know you are old…but not that old!

But from now on, everyone must refer to Allan as “The Colonel.”[/quote]

Brian, this means you address Alan as “Sir”. Got it?

[Djshakes]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I actually walked the Gettysburg battlefield over a three day period (following the actual battle itself) during a Command and Leadership course in War College at Carlisle, PA.[/quote]

C’mon Allan, we know you are old…but not that old!

But from now on, everyone must refer to Allan as “The Colonel.”[/quote]

Brian, this means you address Alan as “Sir”. Got it?

[Djshakes]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I actually walked the Gettysburg battlefield over a three day period (following the actual battle itself) during a Command and Leadership course in War College at Carlisle, PA.[/quote]

C’mon Allan, we know you are old…but not that old!

But from now on, everyone must refer to Allan as “The Colonel.”[/quote]

Brian, this means you address Alan as “Sir”. Got it?

[Djshakes]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I actually walked the Gettysburg battlefield over a three day period (following the actual battle itself) during a Command and Leadership course in War College at Carlisle, PA.[/quote]

C’mon Allan, we know you are old…but not that old!

But from now on, everyone must refer to Allan as “The Colonel.”[/quote]

Brian, this means you address Alan as “Sir”. Got it?

[Djshakes]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I actually walked the Gettysburg battlefield over a three day period (following the actual battle itself) during a Command and Leadership course in War College at Carlisle, PA.[/quote]

C’mon Allan, we know you are old…but not that old!

But from now on, everyone must refer to Allan as “The Colonel.”[/quote]

Brian, this means you address Alan as “Sir”. Got it?

[Anonymous]

[quote=Djshakes]I don’t think the Tea Party wants to exist.[/quote]

Most of them very much do want to exist. They want to exist in the context of a great romanticized struggle like the American Revolution or the WWII. (Somehow I think many of them would change their mind after one night at Valley Forge or 15 seconds on Omaha beach.)

[quote]It is hypocritical because liberals champion themselves on being all accepting of other peoples differences and ideology….and we all know this is so true.[/quote]

And that’s where it all goes right over your head. Not everyone that has a problem with the Tea Party is part of this mythical group you and your Limbaugh-mimicking buddies constantly refer to as “liberals.”

I personally wouldn’t much care about the Tea Party, their tabloid-whoring “leadership,” and their drama-queen outrage except that, thanks to the “fair and balanced” media, they have just enough influence to distract from the real issues.

(See my recent post in the federal debt thread for an example.)

[Anonymous]

[quote=Djshakes]I don’t think the Tea Party wants to exist.[/quote]

Most of them very much do want to exist. They want to exist in the context of a great romanticized struggle like the American Revolution or the WWII. (Somehow I think many of them would change their mind after one night at Valley Forge or 15 seconds on Omaha beach.)

[quote]It is hypocritical because liberals champion themselves on being all accepting of other peoples differences and ideology….and we all know this is so true.[/quote]

And that’s where it all goes right over your head. Not everyone that has a problem with the Tea Party is part of this mythical group you and your Limbaugh-mimicking buddies constantly refer to as “liberals.”

I personally wouldn’t much care about the Tea Party, their tabloid-whoring “leadership,” and their drama-queen outrage except that, thanks to the “fair and balanced” media, they have just enough influence to distract from the real issues.

(See my recent post in the federal debt thread for an example.)

[Anonymous]

[quote=Djshakes]I don’t think the Tea Party wants to exist.[/quote]

Most of them very much do want to exist. They want to exist in the context of a great romanticized struggle like the American Revolution or the WWII. (Somehow I think many of them would change their mind after one night at Valley Forge or 15 seconds on Omaha beach.)

[quote]It is hypocritical because liberals champion themselves on being all accepting of other peoples differences and ideology….and we all know this is so true.[/quote]

And that’s where it all goes right over your head. Not everyone that has a problem with the Tea Party is part of this mythical group you and your Limbaugh-mimicking buddies constantly refer to as “liberals.”

I personally wouldn’t much care about the Tea Party, their tabloid-whoring “leadership,” and their drama-queen outrage except that, thanks to the “fair and balanced” media, they have just enough influence to distract from the real issues.

(See my recent post in the federal debt thread for an example.)

[Anonymous]

[quote=Djshakes]I don’t think the Tea Party wants to exist.[/quote]

Most of them very much do want to exist. They want to exist in the context of a great romanticized struggle like the American Revolution or the WWII. (Somehow I think many of them would change their mind after one night at Valley Forge or 15 seconds on Omaha beach.)

[quote]It is hypocritical because liberals champion themselves on being all accepting of other peoples differences and ideology….and we all know this is so true.[/quote]

And that’s where it all goes right over your head. Not everyone that has a problem with the Tea Party is part of this mythical group you and your Limbaugh-mimicking buddies constantly refer to as “liberals.”

I personally wouldn’t much care about the Tea Party, their tabloid-whoring “leadership,” and their drama-queen outrage except that, thanks to the “fair and balanced” media, they have just enough influence to distract from the real issues.

(See my recent post in the federal debt thread for an example.)

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