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February 14, 2011 at 6:22 AM #667154February 14, 2011 at 9:13 AM #666057briansd1Guest
[quote=urbanrealtor] To this day, most German Turks (their most prominent immigrant population) do not have citizenship and a large percentage are stateless. Their families have been in the fatherland for 4 generations and they only speak Deutch but there is little chance of them ever being able to vote or have rights.
[/quote]So much for multiculturalism in Germany.
Angela Merkel is just flaning the flames of nationalism to score votes.
Shameful and dangerous!!
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,716067,00.html
[quote=urbanrealtor]
I expect this will change in the near future as Germany deals with a Turkish worker shortage. Lots of German-speaking Turks are moving to Turkey due to its expanding economy and new opportunities.
[/quote]Yes, Turkey’s economy is growing fast. And Europe is growing old and stagnating.
Immigration has always been a source of economic growth for America. We ought not jeapardize that source of wealth creation.
February 14, 2011 at 9:13 AM #666118briansd1Guest[quote=urbanrealtor] To this day, most German Turks (their most prominent immigrant population) do not have citizenship and a large percentage are stateless. Their families have been in the fatherland for 4 generations and they only speak Deutch but there is little chance of them ever being able to vote or have rights.
[/quote]So much for multiculturalism in Germany.
Angela Merkel is just flaning the flames of nationalism to score votes.
Shameful and dangerous!!
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,716067,00.html
[quote=urbanrealtor]
I expect this will change in the near future as Germany deals with a Turkish worker shortage. Lots of German-speaking Turks are moving to Turkey due to its expanding economy and new opportunities.
[/quote]Yes, Turkey’s economy is growing fast. And Europe is growing old and stagnating.
Immigration has always been a source of economic growth for America. We ought not jeapardize that source of wealth creation.
February 14, 2011 at 9:13 AM #666719briansd1Guest[quote=urbanrealtor] To this day, most German Turks (their most prominent immigrant population) do not have citizenship and a large percentage are stateless. Their families have been in the fatherland for 4 generations and they only speak Deutch but there is little chance of them ever being able to vote or have rights.
[/quote]So much for multiculturalism in Germany.
Angela Merkel is just flaning the flames of nationalism to score votes.
Shameful and dangerous!!
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,716067,00.html
[quote=urbanrealtor]
I expect this will change in the near future as Germany deals with a Turkish worker shortage. Lots of German-speaking Turks are moving to Turkey due to its expanding economy and new opportunities.
[/quote]Yes, Turkey’s economy is growing fast. And Europe is growing old and stagnating.
Immigration has always been a source of economic growth for America. We ought not jeapardize that source of wealth creation.
February 14, 2011 at 9:13 AM #666858briansd1Guest[quote=urbanrealtor] To this day, most German Turks (their most prominent immigrant population) do not have citizenship and a large percentage are stateless. Their families have been in the fatherland for 4 generations and they only speak Deutch but there is little chance of them ever being able to vote or have rights.
[/quote]So much for multiculturalism in Germany.
Angela Merkel is just flaning the flames of nationalism to score votes.
Shameful and dangerous!!
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,716067,00.html
[quote=urbanrealtor]
I expect this will change in the near future as Germany deals with a Turkish worker shortage. Lots of German-speaking Turks are moving to Turkey due to its expanding economy and new opportunities.
[/quote]Yes, Turkey’s economy is growing fast. And Europe is growing old and stagnating.
Immigration has always been a source of economic growth for America. We ought not jeapardize that source of wealth creation.
February 14, 2011 at 9:13 AM #667194briansd1Guest[quote=urbanrealtor] To this day, most German Turks (their most prominent immigrant population) do not have citizenship and a large percentage are stateless. Their families have been in the fatherland for 4 generations and they only speak Deutch but there is little chance of them ever being able to vote or have rights.
[/quote]So much for multiculturalism in Germany.
Angela Merkel is just flaning the flames of nationalism to score votes.
Shameful and dangerous!!
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,716067,00.html
[quote=urbanrealtor]
I expect this will change in the near future as Germany deals with a Turkish worker shortage. Lots of German-speaking Turks are moving to Turkey due to its expanding economy and new opportunities.
[/quote]Yes, Turkey’s economy is growing fast. And Europe is growing old and stagnating.
Immigration has always been a source of economic growth for America. We ought not jeapardize that source of wealth creation.
February 14, 2011 at 12:27 PM #666165Allan from FallbrookParticipant[quote=pri_dk]
As a native of the USA, I find that the “fundamental ignorance” you mention to be both funny and depressing at the same time.Unfortunately, it is not so rare these days.[/quote]
Pri: Might be a good time to discuss the deplorable state of primary education in America.
Many American HS seniors have a hard time finding Europe on a map. Most don’t know when WWII began (or ended). Most don’t know why WWII was waged, or what the Cold War was. The best defense against ignorance is PROPER education, that is, fact-based education.
The teacher in my son’s 7th grade history class spent exactly one day explaining the significance of the Battle of Gettysburg and the Gettysburg Address, but a full week (complete with mandatory class project) on Harriet Tubman and the Underground Railroad. My son and his classmates were told that the Civil War was fought over slavery (it wasn’t), and nary a mention of the real reasons behind the war.
The textbooks now are crammed full of politically correct pabulum, with an emphasis on “gender and race positive” teaching.
You wonder why you’re dealing with this level of ignorance? Gone are critical thinking, logic and reasoning, and emphasis on cold, hard facts (regardless of whose feelings’ they hurt). Our education system sucks and everybody knows why, we’re just too chickenshit to say it.
February 14, 2011 at 12:27 PM #666226Allan from FallbrookParticipant[quote=pri_dk]
As a native of the USA, I find that the “fundamental ignorance” you mention to be both funny and depressing at the same time.Unfortunately, it is not so rare these days.[/quote]
Pri: Might be a good time to discuss the deplorable state of primary education in America.
Many American HS seniors have a hard time finding Europe on a map. Most don’t know when WWII began (or ended). Most don’t know why WWII was waged, or what the Cold War was. The best defense against ignorance is PROPER education, that is, fact-based education.
The teacher in my son’s 7th grade history class spent exactly one day explaining the significance of the Battle of Gettysburg and the Gettysburg Address, but a full week (complete with mandatory class project) on Harriet Tubman and the Underground Railroad. My son and his classmates were told that the Civil War was fought over slavery (it wasn’t), and nary a mention of the real reasons behind the war.
The textbooks now are crammed full of politically correct pabulum, with an emphasis on “gender and race positive” teaching.
You wonder why you’re dealing with this level of ignorance? Gone are critical thinking, logic and reasoning, and emphasis on cold, hard facts (regardless of whose feelings’ they hurt). Our education system sucks and everybody knows why, we’re just too chickenshit to say it.
February 14, 2011 at 12:27 PM #666830Allan from FallbrookParticipant[quote=pri_dk]
As a native of the USA, I find that the “fundamental ignorance” you mention to be both funny and depressing at the same time.Unfortunately, it is not so rare these days.[/quote]
Pri: Might be a good time to discuss the deplorable state of primary education in America.
Many American HS seniors have a hard time finding Europe on a map. Most don’t know when WWII began (or ended). Most don’t know why WWII was waged, or what the Cold War was. The best defense against ignorance is PROPER education, that is, fact-based education.
The teacher in my son’s 7th grade history class spent exactly one day explaining the significance of the Battle of Gettysburg and the Gettysburg Address, but a full week (complete with mandatory class project) on Harriet Tubman and the Underground Railroad. My son and his classmates were told that the Civil War was fought over slavery (it wasn’t), and nary a mention of the real reasons behind the war.
The textbooks now are crammed full of politically correct pabulum, with an emphasis on “gender and race positive” teaching.
You wonder why you’re dealing with this level of ignorance? Gone are critical thinking, logic and reasoning, and emphasis on cold, hard facts (regardless of whose feelings’ they hurt). Our education system sucks and everybody knows why, we’re just too chickenshit to say it.
February 14, 2011 at 12:27 PM #666968Allan from FallbrookParticipant[quote=pri_dk]
As a native of the USA, I find that the “fundamental ignorance” you mention to be both funny and depressing at the same time.Unfortunately, it is not so rare these days.[/quote]
Pri: Might be a good time to discuss the deplorable state of primary education in America.
Many American HS seniors have a hard time finding Europe on a map. Most don’t know when WWII began (or ended). Most don’t know why WWII was waged, or what the Cold War was. The best defense against ignorance is PROPER education, that is, fact-based education.
The teacher in my son’s 7th grade history class spent exactly one day explaining the significance of the Battle of Gettysburg and the Gettysburg Address, but a full week (complete with mandatory class project) on Harriet Tubman and the Underground Railroad. My son and his classmates were told that the Civil War was fought over slavery (it wasn’t), and nary a mention of the real reasons behind the war.
The textbooks now are crammed full of politically correct pabulum, with an emphasis on “gender and race positive” teaching.
You wonder why you’re dealing with this level of ignorance? Gone are critical thinking, logic and reasoning, and emphasis on cold, hard facts (regardless of whose feelings’ they hurt). Our education system sucks and everybody knows why, we’re just too chickenshit to say it.
February 14, 2011 at 12:27 PM #667303Allan from FallbrookParticipant[quote=pri_dk]
As a native of the USA, I find that the “fundamental ignorance” you mention to be both funny and depressing at the same time.Unfortunately, it is not so rare these days.[/quote]
Pri: Might be a good time to discuss the deplorable state of primary education in America.
Many American HS seniors have a hard time finding Europe on a map. Most don’t know when WWII began (or ended). Most don’t know why WWII was waged, or what the Cold War was. The best defense against ignorance is PROPER education, that is, fact-based education.
The teacher in my son’s 7th grade history class spent exactly one day explaining the significance of the Battle of Gettysburg and the Gettysburg Address, but a full week (complete with mandatory class project) on Harriet Tubman and the Underground Railroad. My son and his classmates were told that the Civil War was fought over slavery (it wasn’t), and nary a mention of the real reasons behind the war.
The textbooks now are crammed full of politically correct pabulum, with an emphasis on “gender and race positive” teaching.
You wonder why you’re dealing with this level of ignorance? Gone are critical thinking, logic and reasoning, and emphasis on cold, hard facts (regardless of whose feelings’ they hurt). Our education system sucks and everybody knows why, we’re just too chickenshit to say it.
February 14, 2011 at 12:33 PM #666170DjshakesParticipantAmen
February 14, 2011 at 12:33 PM #666230DjshakesParticipantAmen
February 14, 2011 at 12:33 PM #666835DjshakesParticipantAmen
February 14, 2011 at 12:33 PM #666973DjshakesParticipantAmen
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