Can Trump really bring jobs back?

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu][quote=svelte][quote=scaredyclassic]howard stern for president[/quote]

Pretty much what we get if Trump is elected, isn’t it?[/quote]

Uh, no way…. Not even close. Howard Stern is actually very well educated and informed. He’s not an idiot at all.[/quote]

Wow. Whenever I have heard Stern talk (which granted isn’t often because I change the channel again shortly thereafter) the first thing I think is “what an idiot”.[/quote]

Granted he didn’t grad from a prestige school, he really isn’t an idiot.
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He graduated from the school in 1972;[22] his year book lists Stern’s sole student activity, a membership in Key Club.[23]

In 1972, Stern declined a place at Elmira College to instead pursue a Communications degree at Boston University,[24] but his average high school grades caused him to spend the first two years in its College of Basic Studies.[25] In his second year he started work at the campus radio station WTBU, where he played records, read the news, and hosted interview programs.[25] He later co-hosted a weekly comedy show with three fellow students named The King Schmaltz Bagel Hour which was initially cancelled during its first broadcast for a racial sketch named “Godzilla Goes to Harlem”.[26] Stern took cannabis, Quaaludes, and LSD during his studies, but quit after he experienced a difficult trip on too much LSD.[18] In 1974, he gained admission to the university’s School of Public Communications.[27] He then studied for a diploma at the Radio Engineering Institute of Electronics in Fredericksburg, Virginia in July 1975 which earned him a first class radio-telephone operator license, a required certificate for all radio broadcasters at the time which was issued by the Federal Communications Commission.[28][29] With the license, Stern landed his first professional radio job at WNTN in Newton, Massachusetts from August to December 1975 doing air shifts, news casting, and production work.[30] For the next five months, he taught students basic electronics in preparation for their own FCC exams.[30] In May 1976, Stern graduated magna cum laude with a 3.8 grade point average. His major was broadcasting and film and his minor English and speech.[25] In the past he has funded a scholarship at the university.[31]

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Compare that to Rush Limbaugh’s credentials

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Limbaugh began his career in radio as a teenager in 1967 in his hometown of Cape Girardeau, using the name Rusty Sharpe.[7][10] Limbaugh graduated from Cape Girardeau, Missouri Central High School in 1969. He played football.[11][12] Because of his parents’ desire to see him attend college, he enrolled in Southeast Missouri State University but left the school after two semesters and one summer. According to his mother, “he flunked everything,” and “he just didn’t seem interested in anything except radio.”[7][13]
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[FlyerInHi]

There’s a class of people in America who think education counts for nothing. Only money is important. In that regard Rush Limbaugh made it. But,statistically, the portion of uneducated people who make it is really tiny.

The disdain for education among the populist class is shocking. In the rest of the world parents try to get the best education for their kids.

[Anonymous]

[quote=FlyerInHi]There’s a class of people in America who think education counts for nothing. Only money is important. In that regard Rush Limbaugh made it. But,statistically, the portion of uneducated people who make it is really tiny.

The disdain for education among the populist class is shocking. In the rest of the world parents try to get the best education for their kids.[/quote]

Spoken like a true academic.

[equalizer]

[quote=flu]

Well, I’d say 80% of the population that aren’t the top income earners aren’t really screwed if they know how to manage their money well. Their fate has very little to do with what ‘rich’ people do, or what politicians do, especially in this country.

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OK, generally agree with you except the part where your say your fate doesn’t depend on what rich people do with their money. In one very important aspect it does – with real estate. If rich buy up the whole coast, it drives up RE prices all over and forces people to overspend on rent, housing and thus they are “stupid” money managers.

Of course if they don’t have in demand skills, etc they should move to nice places like Ann Arbor, Pittsburg, but that would require more than money management.

Vancouver just started 15% tax on foreign buyers and these buyers just stopped buying in Vancouver. [Funny when RE prices were moving up 20% a year, the buyers had no qualms, but now they don’t like being taxed]

Of course the tax was way too late, the bubble has been brewing for years. Now foreign buyers are headed to Toronto, but then tax may start in Toronto, so these buyers will just head to Carmel Valley and buy up everything and some people will have to commute from Barstow or Baker and then will get upset.

[SK in CV]

[quote=La Jolla Renter][quote=SK in CV]S&P futures up $16 on Trump’s debate sniffles and Clinton kicking his ass.[/quote]

What debate were you watching?

I don’t even think the CNN crew would say Trump got his ass kicked.[/quote]

Actually a lot of them did, as have commentators all up and down the channels and newspapers across the country. Along with the CNN polling. All actual polls showed Clinton won.

[Anonymous]

Trump’s debate performance certainly did not help him, and I would expect he loses some ground in the polls. How much though?

This data is still pretty baffling:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

[equalizer]

bearishgurl,

Those skewed polls really helped President Romney?

I am not trying to make a personal attack here, but I think that someone has to step up and point out that your pedantic prose is not winning any fans.

You sure do spend an inordinate amount of time writing, but you do not really present cogent arguments. Your arguments either lack foundation or suffer from confirmation bias or false-consensus effect.

Your constant berating of these coastal dwellers shows that you suffer from primus inter pares effect. Your seeming distaste for many in the non-fly over states must reflect a deep seated longing for glory days of simpler times. You can channel that healthy longing in a manner that does not disrespect others.

BTW, I have lived in Ohio, Michigan, Illinois. Not exactly fly-over states, but still not exactly coastal either, so understand that life does exist east of 5, but it is too hot!

[equalizer]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=La Jolla Renter][quote=SK in CV]S&P futures up $16 on Trump’s debate sniffles and Clinton kicking his ass.[/quote]

What debate were you watching?

I don’t even think the CNN crew would say Trump got his ass kicked.[/quote]

Actually a lot of them did, as have commentators all up and down the channels and newspapers across the country. Along with the CNN polling. All actual polls showed Clinton won.[/quote]
“Aw come on, the media is all biased, everyone knows that.” typical response you will find. Trump won all the online polls. Of course, they were hijacked by some reddit group, but we can’t talk about that.

[scaredyclassic]

vermin supremes pony based economy will bring a lot of jobs. those ponies wont maintain themselves.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=equalizer]bearishgurl,

Those skewed polls really helped President Romney?

I am not trying to make a personal attack here, but I think that someone has to step up and point out that your pedantic prose is not winning any fans.

You sure do spend an inordinate amount of time writing, but you do not really present cogent arguments. Your arguments either lack foundation or suffer from confirmation bias or false-consensus effect.

Your constant berating of these coastal dwellers shows that you suffer from primus inter pares effect. Your seeming distaste for many in the non-fly over states must reflect a deep seated longing for glory days of simpler times. You can channel that healthy longing in a manner that does not disrespect others.

BTW, I have lived in Ohio, Michigan, Illinois. Not exactly fly-over states, but still not exactly coastal either, so understand that life does exist east of 5, but it is too hot![/quote]Well, I had to review the thread in order to find out where you may have gotten the impression that I have a “distaste for many in the non-flyover states,” equalizer. Since I myself have been a CA coastal dweller for ~50 years (does Alameda Co count as a “coastal county?”), if that is true, I must surely have a “distaste” for myself, my family and longtime friends!

I have previously posted on this forum that I didn’t think the groups pulling the ridiculous and even dangerous antics during the primary season outside Trump rallies across CA coastal counties (specifically, Orange and San Mateo Counties) was representative of CA’s electorate. These loosely-organized individuals (young students, including non-citizens as well as undocumented immigrants) paraded nude or nearly nude in front of the hotel in Burlingame (SFO area, where Trump spoke in a CA Republican Party Spring meeting) and repeatedly tried to crash (and were successful in doing so) the entrance barriers before and all during his rally. Trump and his security team had to literally park their SUV on a fwy construction shoulder and run a couple of hundred yards over scattered broken concrete block and high weeds into the hotel’s delivery entrance through the back of the building! Shortly after, outside Trump’s Huntington Beach rally, hundreds of mostly young people (some undoubtedly undocumented) were waiving MX flags, burned at least one American flag and rioted and repeatedly stomped on police patrol vehicle(s) and even rolled one on its side. The rioting and scattered fires they started continued through the evening and into the night.

After the above incidences, CA cities in coastal counties where Trump held rallies (such as SD . . . I was there) had to borrow hundreds personnel from adjacent law enforcement agencies, pull out all their horse patrols, wear all their riot gear, pull out all their bicycles and bring out their SWAT tanks in order to property “manage” the crowd outside the venue (SD Convention Center). It shouldn’t have had to be like this!

I’ve heard a lot of rumors to the contrary, but I don’t have any concrete “proof” that any member of the “liberal elite” was behind organizing any of these thugs who tried mightily to interfere with a presidential candidate’s right to free speech in CA coastal counties. My question is only, “why here?” These thugs aren’t likely registered to vote in CA, anyway! Their criminal antics (and the in-your-face huge displays of law enforcement in full riot gear in every CA city Trump had a scheduled rally in) made the Golden State look like an effing war zone full of ignoramuses to the rest of the country on the unrelenting MSM. I was truly embarrassed as events didn’t happen at Trump rallies in other states anywhere near to the degree they happened in CA coastal counties. These “fringe groups” cost CA taxpayers of ALL coastal counties a fortune! We have to ask ourselves where the h@ll all these thousands of dangerous misfits came from and what the h@ll are they are doing here?

I don’t blame Trump for not bothering to schedule any more rallies in CA coastal counties (just scattered fund raisers). His presence seems to be too much of a (physical and financial) burden to the daily workings of CA coastal cities and counties. Yet, he can land his jet on the tarmac of the single runway in the likes of Redding, CA and be greeted by an enthusiastic, organized and cheering crowd who is NOT confined to the inside of a building . . . go figure :=0

Yeah, there IS something wrong if a presidential candidate can’t have a rally for their supporters in a particular city without hundreds of dangerous thugs coming out of the woodwork, hell bent on causing property damage and injury, thereby causing a HUGE headache (and great expense) for local law enforcement agencies. And you’re right, equalizer, I have no repect for them, whatsoever. We have to ask ourselves how CA coastal counties (San Mateo County to SD County) got into this situation. That’s another subject that no one wants to talk about.

[Dukehorn]

It’s really amazing how much you like to live in your own echo chamber.

Trump visited Woodside,CA in August for a 25k fundraiser and though there were protesters, there was no violence. Or are you going to claim that Woodside isn’t in a coastal county?

Donald Trump’s visit to Woodside greeted by phalanx of Hillary Clinton signs

As for pictures of those “thugs” at the April Burlingame rally, here are some pictures.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/04/29/donald-trump-california-gop-convention-burlingame-protest/

Yeah, look at all those dangerous women sitting on the street. Frankly, we all know that your term “thugs” are directed at blacks and Latinos.

And yes, there were some clashes which I object to, but your ability to use the term “thugs” for protesters here in CA, but your inability to articulate any position on Trump supporters who (a) cold-cocked a 69 year old woman in Asheville, (b) attacked a black man in Albany, (c) suckerpunched a black man in Tucson, (d) assaulted a black teen-ager in Louisville, etc. etc. (Here’s a partial list: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/02/a_list_of_violent_incidents_at_donald_trump_rallies_and_events.html)

just shows a mind-boggling ability to consistently articulate a double-standard (or blind racism) with regard to behavior from both sides.

You want to talk about it some more or perhaps you should do some actual research (instead of getting all your news at redstate.com or breitbart). And if you’re going to “argue” a point, why don’t you leave some links so we know where you’re getting your data.

Oh, and there was some nonsense in this thread earlier about union costs driving up wages. Dude, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t claim to want the old days of good salaries for blue collar workers (coal, textiles, steel, cars) without acknowledging that those wages and benefits were due to union power. You think without unions that workers were miraculously getting those salaries and pensions? Check out this article on wages/social contract. Someone tell me where the thesis goes awry. http://prospect.org/article/wages-and-social-contract

As for EPA regs, maybe you should get your ass over to Chengdu/Beijing/Delhi to breathe the air in a non-EPA world before you spew BS.

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