Camry is most American car–surprise!

[Coronita]

[quote=AN]The CC is no near the class of a Camry. Price wise, it’s more of a IS/ES/G/TL price range. I’d pick any of those 4 over the CC any day. Passat is priced much closer to the Camry, but the 2.0L Turbo is priced like a V6 Camry. That’s a pretty big HP difference, I’d personally pick an Accord over a Camry but if you must have the #1 American built car, then the Camry is alright :-).[/quote]

Pricing of CC has cratered…

200hp I-4 CC is like $27k
285hp VR6 CC is like $31k

both pretty well loaded

Camry XLE V6 is like $26k-28k, then Toyota loves to nickel and dime you for every stinking option.

Also, VW throws in free maintanance for 4 years( I know, you’ll need it, heh heh).

Slightly adventurous folks can spend $600 on a ecu upgrade from companies like APR and bump the 2.0T into a 254hp/297 and still get gas mileage that beats V6’s.

However, you do have to deal with VW’s “issues”

[sunny88]

In my own experience after driving German cars for many years and Japanese cars for a few years most German cars were extremely reliable albeit more expensive to maintain. The German cars were also peppier and more fun to drive.

[sunny88]

In my own experience after driving German cars for many years and Japanese cars for a few years most German cars were extremely reliable albeit more expensive to maintain. The German cars were also peppier and more fun to drive.

[sunny88]

In my own experience after driving German cars for many years and Japanese cars for a few years most German cars were extremely reliable albeit more expensive to maintain. The German cars were also peppier and more fun to drive.

[sunny88]

In my own experience after driving German cars for many years and Japanese cars for a few years most German cars were extremely reliable albeit more expensive to maintain. The German cars were also peppier and more fun to drive.

[sunny88]

In my own experience after driving German cars for many years and Japanese cars for a few years most German cars were extremely reliable albeit more expensive to maintain. The German cars were also peppier and more fun to drive.

[an]

[quote=flu]
Pricing of CC has cratered…

200hp I-4 CC is like $27k
285hp VR6 CC is like $31k

both pretty well loaded

Camry XLE V6 is like $26k-28k, then Toyota loves to nickel and dime you for every stinking option.

Also, VW throws in free maintanance for 4 years( I know, you’ll need it, heh heh).

Slightly adventurous folks can spend $600 on a ecu upgrade from companies like APR and bump the 2.0T into a 254hp/297 and still get gas mileage that beats V6’s.

However, you do have to deal with VW’s “issues”
[/quote]
Based on carsdirect.com, fully loaded price for the follow:

CC V6 FWD: $34,845
CC Luxury FWD: $34,851
CC Sport FWD: $26,625 (Seems to not have Bluetooth, or backup camera).
Camry XLE V6 w/Navigation: $29,204
Camry XLE I4 w/Navigation: $27,732

G37S: $35,193
TL 3.5 w/Technology FWD: $34,366

So, fully loaded CC V6 FWD or G37S? There’s no doubt the 2.0T responds very well to mods. However, the CC 2.0T Luxury FWD is still priced about the same as the G37S. Even w/ the chip, it’s still underpowered compared to the G37S.

[quote=sunny88]In my own experience after driving German cars for many years and Japanese cars for a few years most German cars were extremely reliable albeit more expensive to maintain. The German cars were also peppier and more fun to drive.[/quote]
Were your German cars and Japanese cars in the same price range?

[an]

[quote=flu]
Pricing of CC has cratered…

200hp I-4 CC is like $27k
285hp VR6 CC is like $31k

both pretty well loaded

Camry XLE V6 is like $26k-28k, then Toyota loves to nickel and dime you for every stinking option.

Also, VW throws in free maintanance for 4 years( I know, you’ll need it, heh heh).

Slightly adventurous folks can spend $600 on a ecu upgrade from companies like APR and bump the 2.0T into a 254hp/297 and still get gas mileage that beats V6’s.

However, you do have to deal with VW’s “issues”
[/quote]
Based on carsdirect.com, fully loaded price for the follow:

CC V6 FWD: $34,845
CC Luxury FWD: $34,851
CC Sport FWD: $26,625 (Seems to not have Bluetooth, or backup camera).
Camry XLE V6 w/Navigation: $29,204
Camry XLE I4 w/Navigation: $27,732

G37S: $35,193
TL 3.5 w/Technology FWD: $34,366

So, fully loaded CC V6 FWD or G37S? There’s no doubt the 2.0T responds very well to mods. However, the CC 2.0T Luxury FWD is still priced about the same as the G37S. Even w/ the chip, it’s still underpowered compared to the G37S.

[quote=sunny88]In my own experience after driving German cars for many years and Japanese cars for a few years most German cars were extremely reliable albeit more expensive to maintain. The German cars were also peppier and more fun to drive.[/quote]
Were your German cars and Japanese cars in the same price range?

[an]

[quote=flu]
Pricing of CC has cratered…

200hp I-4 CC is like $27k
285hp VR6 CC is like $31k

both pretty well loaded

Camry XLE V6 is like $26k-28k, then Toyota loves to nickel and dime you for every stinking option.

Also, VW throws in free maintanance for 4 years( I know, you’ll need it, heh heh).

Slightly adventurous folks can spend $600 on a ecu upgrade from companies like APR and bump the 2.0T into a 254hp/297 and still get gas mileage that beats V6’s.

However, you do have to deal with VW’s “issues”
[/quote]
Based on carsdirect.com, fully loaded price for the follow:

CC V6 FWD: $34,845
CC Luxury FWD: $34,851
CC Sport FWD: $26,625 (Seems to not have Bluetooth, or backup camera).
Camry XLE V6 w/Navigation: $29,204
Camry XLE I4 w/Navigation: $27,732

G37S: $35,193
TL 3.5 w/Technology FWD: $34,366

So, fully loaded CC V6 FWD or G37S? There’s no doubt the 2.0T responds very well to mods. However, the CC 2.0T Luxury FWD is still priced about the same as the G37S. Even w/ the chip, it’s still underpowered compared to the G37S.

[quote=sunny88]In my own experience after driving German cars for many years and Japanese cars for a few years most German cars were extremely reliable albeit more expensive to maintain. The German cars were also peppier and more fun to drive.[/quote]
Were your German cars and Japanese cars in the same price range?

[an]

[quote=flu]
Pricing of CC has cratered…

200hp I-4 CC is like $27k
285hp VR6 CC is like $31k

both pretty well loaded

Camry XLE V6 is like $26k-28k, then Toyota loves to nickel and dime you for every stinking option.

Also, VW throws in free maintanance for 4 years( I know, you’ll need it, heh heh).

Slightly adventurous folks can spend $600 on a ecu upgrade from companies like APR and bump the 2.0T into a 254hp/297 and still get gas mileage that beats V6’s.

However, you do have to deal with VW’s “issues”
[/quote]
Based on carsdirect.com, fully loaded price for the follow:

CC V6 FWD: $34,845
CC Luxury FWD: $34,851
CC Sport FWD: $26,625 (Seems to not have Bluetooth, or backup camera).
Camry XLE V6 w/Navigation: $29,204
Camry XLE I4 w/Navigation: $27,732

G37S: $35,193
TL 3.5 w/Technology FWD: $34,366

So, fully loaded CC V6 FWD or G37S? There’s no doubt the 2.0T responds very well to mods. However, the CC 2.0T Luxury FWD is still priced about the same as the G37S. Even w/ the chip, it’s still underpowered compared to the G37S.

[quote=sunny88]In my own experience after driving German cars for many years and Japanese cars for a few years most German cars were extremely reliable albeit more expensive to maintain. The German cars were also peppier and more fun to drive.[/quote]
Were your German cars and Japanese cars in the same price range?

[an]

[quote=flu]
Pricing of CC has cratered…

200hp I-4 CC is like $27k
285hp VR6 CC is like $31k

both pretty well loaded

Camry XLE V6 is like $26k-28k, then Toyota loves to nickel and dime you for every stinking option.

Also, VW throws in free maintanance for 4 years( I know, you’ll need it, heh heh).

Slightly adventurous folks can spend $600 on a ecu upgrade from companies like APR and bump the 2.0T into a 254hp/297 and still get gas mileage that beats V6’s.

However, you do have to deal with VW’s “issues”
[/quote]
Based on carsdirect.com, fully loaded price for the follow:

CC V6 FWD: $34,845
CC Luxury FWD: $34,851
CC Sport FWD: $26,625 (Seems to not have Bluetooth, or backup camera).
Camry XLE V6 w/Navigation: $29,204
Camry XLE I4 w/Navigation: $27,732

G37S: $35,193
TL 3.5 w/Technology FWD: $34,366

So, fully loaded CC V6 FWD or G37S? There’s no doubt the 2.0T responds very well to mods. However, the CC 2.0T Luxury FWD is still priced about the same as the G37S. Even w/ the chip, it’s still underpowered compared to the G37S.

[quote=sunny88]In my own experience after driving German cars for many years and Japanese cars for a few years most German cars were extremely reliable albeit more expensive to maintain. The German cars were also peppier and more fun to drive.[/quote]
Were your German cars and Japanese cars in the same price range?

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=flu]
Pricing of CC has cratered…

200hp I-4 CC is like $27k
285hp VR6 CC is like $31k

both pretty well loaded

Camry XLE V6 is like $26k-28k, then Toyota loves to nickel and dime you for every stinking option.

Also, VW throws in free maintanance for 4 years( I know, you’ll need it, heh heh).

Slightly adventurous folks can spend $600 on a ecu upgrade from companies like APR and bump the 2.0T into a 254hp/297 and still get gas mileage that beats V6’s.

However, you do have to deal with VW’s “issues”
[/quote]
Based on carsdirect.com, fully loaded price for the follow:

CC V6 FWD: $34,845
CC Luxury FWD: $34,851
CC Sport FWD: $26,625 (Seems to not have Bluetooth, or backup camera).
Camry XLE V6 w/Navigation: $29,204
Camry XLE I4 w/Navigation: $27,732

G37S: $35,193
TL 3.5 w/Technology FWD: $34,366

So, fully loaded CC V6 FWD or G37S? There’s no doubt the 2.0T responds very well to mods. However, the CC 2.0T Luxury FWD is still priced about the same as the G37S. Even w/ the chip, it’s still underpowered compared to the G37S.

[/quote]

Um, yes g37s at that price. But, i thought fully loaded, g37 is closer to $37k without the 4wheel active steer system.

Also, carsdirect is showing a fully loaded XLEv6 with nave at $32.6k and the I4 at $30k or $31k depending on whether you want the 18″ wheel option. I guess as an exercise, we would need to go down and compare if “fully loaded”
is equivalent.

Supposedly, it’s also showing a CC AWD for $33k (without nav).

My less than pleasant experience with purchasing an avalon for a relative taught me that Toyota’s are great value to buy in base form only…They start to ding you went it comes to selecting options. Especially the way they package options together often means you have to pay for stuff you don’t want in order to get something else. In Southern CA for instance, they love to build cars with heated seats and make it part of an equipment packaging. The other thing I don’t like about Toyota (at least in L.A.) is that the sales folks are pretty sleazy at almost all the dealerships I went to.

Anyway, when I buy a car, it’s usually either fully loaded or fully stripped and never in between.

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=flu]
Pricing of CC has cratered…

200hp I-4 CC is like $27k
285hp VR6 CC is like $31k

both pretty well loaded

Camry XLE V6 is like $26k-28k, then Toyota loves to nickel and dime you for every stinking option.

Also, VW throws in free maintanance for 4 years( I know, you’ll need it, heh heh).

Slightly adventurous folks can spend $600 on a ecu upgrade from companies like APR and bump the 2.0T into a 254hp/297 and still get gas mileage that beats V6’s.

However, you do have to deal with VW’s “issues”
[/quote]
Based on carsdirect.com, fully loaded price for the follow:

CC V6 FWD: $34,845
CC Luxury FWD: $34,851
CC Sport FWD: $26,625 (Seems to not have Bluetooth, or backup camera).
Camry XLE V6 w/Navigation: $29,204
Camry XLE I4 w/Navigation: $27,732

G37S: $35,193
TL 3.5 w/Technology FWD: $34,366

So, fully loaded CC V6 FWD or G37S? There’s no doubt the 2.0T responds very well to mods. However, the CC 2.0T Luxury FWD is still priced about the same as the G37S. Even w/ the chip, it’s still underpowered compared to the G37S.

[/quote]

Um, yes g37s at that price. But, i thought fully loaded, g37 is closer to $37k without the 4wheel active steer system.

Also, carsdirect is showing a fully loaded XLEv6 with nave at $32.6k and the I4 at $30k or $31k depending on whether you want the 18″ wheel option. I guess as an exercise, we would need to go down and compare if “fully loaded”
is equivalent.

Supposedly, it’s also showing a CC AWD for $33k (without nav).

My less than pleasant experience with purchasing an avalon for a relative taught me that Toyota’s are great value to buy in base form only…They start to ding you went it comes to selecting options. Especially the way they package options together often means you have to pay for stuff you don’t want in order to get something else. In Southern CA for instance, they love to build cars with heated seats and make it part of an equipment packaging. The other thing I don’t like about Toyota (at least in L.A.) is that the sales folks are pretty sleazy at almost all the dealerships I went to.

Anyway, when I buy a car, it’s usually either fully loaded or fully stripped and never in between.

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=flu]
Pricing of CC has cratered…

200hp I-4 CC is like $27k
285hp VR6 CC is like $31k

both pretty well loaded

Camry XLE V6 is like $26k-28k, then Toyota loves to nickel and dime you for every stinking option.

Also, VW throws in free maintanance for 4 years( I know, you’ll need it, heh heh).

Slightly adventurous folks can spend $600 on a ecu upgrade from companies like APR and bump the 2.0T into a 254hp/297 and still get gas mileage that beats V6’s.

However, you do have to deal with VW’s “issues”
[/quote]
Based on carsdirect.com, fully loaded price for the follow:

CC V6 FWD: $34,845
CC Luxury FWD: $34,851
CC Sport FWD: $26,625 (Seems to not have Bluetooth, or backup camera).
Camry XLE V6 w/Navigation: $29,204
Camry XLE I4 w/Navigation: $27,732

G37S: $35,193
TL 3.5 w/Technology FWD: $34,366

So, fully loaded CC V6 FWD or G37S? There’s no doubt the 2.0T responds very well to mods. However, the CC 2.0T Luxury FWD is still priced about the same as the G37S. Even w/ the chip, it’s still underpowered compared to the G37S.

[/quote]

Um, yes g37s at that price. But, i thought fully loaded, g37 is closer to $37k without the 4wheel active steer system.

Also, carsdirect is showing a fully loaded XLEv6 with nave at $32.6k and the I4 at $30k or $31k depending on whether you want the 18″ wheel option. I guess as an exercise, we would need to go down and compare if “fully loaded”
is equivalent.

Supposedly, it’s also showing a CC AWD for $33k (without nav).

My less than pleasant experience with purchasing an avalon for a relative taught me that Toyota’s are great value to buy in base form only…They start to ding you went it comes to selecting options. Especially the way they package options together often means you have to pay for stuff you don’t want in order to get something else. In Southern CA for instance, they love to build cars with heated seats and make it part of an equipment packaging. The other thing I don’t like about Toyota (at least in L.A.) is that the sales folks are pretty sleazy at almost all the dealerships I went to.

Anyway, when I buy a car, it’s usually either fully loaded or fully stripped and never in between.

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=flu]
Pricing of CC has cratered…

200hp I-4 CC is like $27k
285hp VR6 CC is like $31k

both pretty well loaded

Camry XLE V6 is like $26k-28k, then Toyota loves to nickel and dime you for every stinking option.

Also, VW throws in free maintanance for 4 years( I know, you’ll need it, heh heh).

Slightly adventurous folks can spend $600 on a ecu upgrade from companies like APR and bump the 2.0T into a 254hp/297 and still get gas mileage that beats V6’s.

However, you do have to deal with VW’s “issues”
[/quote]
Based on carsdirect.com, fully loaded price for the follow:

CC V6 FWD: $34,845
CC Luxury FWD: $34,851
CC Sport FWD: $26,625 (Seems to not have Bluetooth, or backup camera).
Camry XLE V6 w/Navigation: $29,204
Camry XLE I4 w/Navigation: $27,732

G37S: $35,193
TL 3.5 w/Technology FWD: $34,366

So, fully loaded CC V6 FWD or G37S? There’s no doubt the 2.0T responds very well to mods. However, the CC 2.0T Luxury FWD is still priced about the same as the G37S. Even w/ the chip, it’s still underpowered compared to the G37S.

[/quote]

Um, yes g37s at that price. But, i thought fully loaded, g37 is closer to $37k without the 4wheel active steer system.

Also, carsdirect is showing a fully loaded XLEv6 with nave at $32.6k and the I4 at $30k or $31k depending on whether you want the 18″ wheel option. I guess as an exercise, we would need to go down and compare if “fully loaded”
is equivalent.

Supposedly, it’s also showing a CC AWD for $33k (without nav).

My less than pleasant experience with purchasing an avalon for a relative taught me that Toyota’s are great value to buy in base form only…They start to ding you went it comes to selecting options. Especially the way they package options together often means you have to pay for stuff you don’t want in order to get something else. In Southern CA for instance, they love to build cars with heated seats and make it part of an equipment packaging. The other thing I don’t like about Toyota (at least in L.A.) is that the sales folks are pretty sleazy at almost all the dealerships I went to.

Anyway, when I buy a car, it’s usually either fully loaded or fully stripped and never in between.

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