california tax revolt: attend a TEA PARTY!

[partypup]

[quote=afx114]They were also about expressing outrage that their guy lost the election.

GOP in 2000/2004: “Elections have consequences!”
GOP in 2008: “Tyranny! Socialism! Fascism! Kenyan! Muslim! Guns! Succession!”[/quote]

Afx114, in the midst of EVERYTHING that is happening – as we watch Obama incur the biggest deficit in American history and pass the fruits of that deficit to banks (just as Bush began to do with TARP) – how do you possibly come to the conclusion that these protesters are simply angry Republicans? Seriously, do you think that a Democrat should not be fed up with what is happening? I’ve never voted GOP, and if I hadn’t been on a 3-hour feeding and diapering schedule with my son I would have gladly attended a tea party.

If you think this is just about “right wing” extremists, you’re fooling yourself. This video of the Chicago tea party makes it clear that this is NOT about partisan politics; this is about rage against the machine owned by BOTH parties. Don’t believe me? Check out the sign clearly displayed halfway through the video: “REPUBLICANS SUCK, TOO!”

Stop playing into the hands of the Establishment and educate yourself about what’s really happening here. Do not be fooled and do not be misled.

Our country is about to be ripped apart at the seams. We can hardly afford ignorance now.

[CA renter]

Amen, partypup!

I’m pretty left-leaning, as most here know, but am 100% opposed to these bailouts and the way Obama’s handling the situation.

We DO need some sort of stimulus, but this does NOT mean we should bail out the banks. Obama seemed to have the right idea when he was talking about infrastucture, healthcare, and transportaion technologies. We need jobs, and money needs to go to the lower and middle-classes (via jobs) where the pain is being felt most. Bailing out the banks is even worse than doing nothing, IMO.

Paul Krugman has the right idea WRT nationalizing the banks, IMHO, and he’s no right-wing freak.

Obama talks a good talk, but his political appointments and policies thus far show where his loyalty really lies.

[CA renter]

Amen, partypup!

I’m pretty left-leaning, as most here know, but am 100% opposed to these bailouts and the way Obama’s handling the situation.

We DO need some sort of stimulus, but this does NOT mean we should bail out the banks. Obama seemed to have the right idea when he was talking about infrastucture, healthcare, and transportaion technologies. We need jobs, and money needs to go to the lower and middle-classes (via jobs) where the pain is being felt most. Bailing out the banks is even worse than doing nothing, IMO.

Paul Krugman has the right idea WRT nationalizing the banks, IMHO, and he’s no right-wing freak.

Obama talks a good talk, but his political appointments and policies thus far show where his loyalty really lies.

[CA renter]

Amen, partypup!

I’m pretty left-leaning, as most here know, but am 100% opposed to these bailouts and the way Obama’s handling the situation.

We DO need some sort of stimulus, but this does NOT mean we should bail out the banks. Obama seemed to have the right idea when he was talking about infrastucture, healthcare, and transportaion technologies. We need jobs, and money needs to go to the lower and middle-classes (via jobs) where the pain is being felt most. Bailing out the banks is even worse than doing nothing, IMO.

Paul Krugman has the right idea WRT nationalizing the banks, IMHO, and he’s no right-wing freak.

Obama talks a good talk, but his political appointments and policies thus far show where his loyalty really lies.

[CA renter]

Amen, partypup!

I’m pretty left-leaning, as most here know, but am 100% opposed to these bailouts and the way Obama’s handling the situation.

We DO need some sort of stimulus, but this does NOT mean we should bail out the banks. Obama seemed to have the right idea when he was talking about infrastucture, healthcare, and transportaion technologies. We need jobs, and money needs to go to the lower and middle-classes (via jobs) where the pain is being felt most. Bailing out the banks is even worse than doing nothing, IMO.

Paul Krugman has the right idea WRT nationalizing the banks, IMHO, and he’s no right-wing freak.

Obama talks a good talk, but his political appointments and policies thus far show where his loyalty really lies.

[CA renter]

Amen, partypup!

I’m pretty left-leaning, as most here know, but am 100% opposed to these bailouts and the way Obama’s handling the situation.

We DO need some sort of stimulus, but this does NOT mean we should bail out the banks. Obama seemed to have the right idea when he was talking about infrastucture, healthcare, and transportaion technologies. We need jobs, and money needs to go to the lower and middle-classes (via jobs) where the pain is being felt most. Bailing out the banks is even worse than doing nothing, IMO.

Paul Krugman has the right idea WRT nationalizing the banks, IMHO, and he’s no right-wing freak.

Obama talks a good talk, but his political appointments and policies thus far show where his loyalty really lies.

[afx114]

I’m opposed to the bailouts too, but let’s have some intellectual honesty here — which administration started TARP? Where was all the outrage over the last 8 years when the deficit was doubled? Where was all the outrage at spending 12 billion a month for six years on an unecessary war? The point is that everyone is to blame. Can you explain all of the “Impeach the Kenyan” and “Monkey see, monkey spend” signs too?

Why now? Why not 6 months ago or 6 years ago? The answer is that taxes are a convnient excuse to complain about losing an election. How many of the protesters make over $250k? Since when is a 3% tax increase — to what it was under Clinton and still lower than it was under Reagan — socialism and “taxation without representation?” Was Reagan a socialist? Who was it that said deficits don’t matter? Why were protesters of Bush v. Gore considered whiners and sore losers while tea protesters are “true Americans?”

I’m all for protesing and dissent — but at least be honest about what you’re protesting. You’re pissed that you lost — and that’s fine. I was pissed when I lost in 2000/2004, so I feel your pain. But at least man up and realize that elections have consequences. And if you don’t like those consequnces you can make your voice heard — where it counts — in four years.

The opposition has blown their load way too prematurely. What are they going to do when Obama proposes health care? What are they going to do when he proposes energy reform? How about stem cells? What about social security reform? Will there be any heads left to explode?

Or maybe you’re right and it’s all the fraudulent socialist Muslim Kenyan’s fault. Or maybe I’ve just had one too many Lost Abbey Judgement Day ales.

[afx114]

I’m opposed to the bailouts too, but let’s have some intellectual honesty here — which administration started TARP? Where was all the outrage over the last 8 years when the deficit was doubled? Where was all the outrage at spending 12 billion a month for six years on an unecessary war? The point is that everyone is to blame. Can you explain all of the “Impeach the Kenyan” and “Monkey see, monkey spend” signs too?

Why now? Why not 6 months ago or 6 years ago? The answer is that taxes are a convnient excuse to complain about losing an election. How many of the protesters make over $250k? Since when is a 3% tax increase — to what it was under Clinton and still lower than it was under Reagan — socialism and “taxation without representation?” Was Reagan a socialist? Who was it that said deficits don’t matter? Why were protesters of Bush v. Gore considered whiners and sore losers while tea protesters are “true Americans?”

I’m all for protesing and dissent — but at least be honest about what you’re protesting. You’re pissed that you lost — and that’s fine. I was pissed when I lost in 2000/2004, so I feel your pain. But at least man up and realize that elections have consequences. And if you don’t like those consequnces you can make your voice heard — where it counts — in four years.

The opposition has blown their load way too prematurely. What are they going to do when Obama proposes health care? What are they going to do when he proposes energy reform? How about stem cells? What about social security reform? Will there be any heads left to explode?

Or maybe you’re right and it’s all the fraudulent socialist Muslim Kenyan’s fault. Or maybe I’ve just had one too many Lost Abbey Judgement Day ales.

[afx114]

I’m opposed to the bailouts too, but let’s have some intellectual honesty here — which administration started TARP? Where was all the outrage over the last 8 years when the deficit was doubled? Where was all the outrage at spending 12 billion a month for six years on an unecessary war? The point is that everyone is to blame. Can you explain all of the “Impeach the Kenyan” and “Monkey see, monkey spend” signs too?

Why now? Why not 6 months ago or 6 years ago? The answer is that taxes are a convnient excuse to complain about losing an election. How many of the protesters make over $250k? Since when is a 3% tax increase — to what it was under Clinton and still lower than it was under Reagan — socialism and “taxation without representation?” Was Reagan a socialist? Who was it that said deficits don’t matter? Why were protesters of Bush v. Gore considered whiners and sore losers while tea protesters are “true Americans?”

I’m all for protesing and dissent — but at least be honest about what you’re protesting. You’re pissed that you lost — and that’s fine. I was pissed when I lost in 2000/2004, so I feel your pain. But at least man up and realize that elections have consequences. And if you don’t like those consequnces you can make your voice heard — where it counts — in four years.

The opposition has blown their load way too prematurely. What are they going to do when Obama proposes health care? What are they going to do when he proposes energy reform? How about stem cells? What about social security reform? Will there be any heads left to explode?

Or maybe you’re right and it’s all the fraudulent socialist Muslim Kenyan’s fault. Or maybe I’ve just had one too many Lost Abbey Judgement Day ales.

[afx114]

I’m opposed to the bailouts too, but let’s have some intellectual honesty here — which administration started TARP? Where was all the outrage over the last 8 years when the deficit was doubled? Where was all the outrage at spending 12 billion a month for six years on an unecessary war? The point is that everyone is to blame. Can you explain all of the “Impeach the Kenyan” and “Monkey see, monkey spend” signs too?

Why now? Why not 6 months ago or 6 years ago? The answer is that taxes are a convnient excuse to complain about losing an election. How many of the protesters make over $250k? Since when is a 3% tax increase — to what it was under Clinton and still lower than it was under Reagan — socialism and “taxation without representation?” Was Reagan a socialist? Who was it that said deficits don’t matter? Why were protesters of Bush v. Gore considered whiners and sore losers while tea protesters are “true Americans?”

I’m all for protesing and dissent — but at least be honest about what you’re protesting. You’re pissed that you lost — and that’s fine. I was pissed when I lost in 2000/2004, so I feel your pain. But at least man up and realize that elections have consequences. And if you don’t like those consequnces you can make your voice heard — where it counts — in four years.

The opposition has blown their load way too prematurely. What are they going to do when Obama proposes health care? What are they going to do when he proposes energy reform? How about stem cells? What about social security reform? Will there be any heads left to explode?

Or maybe you’re right and it’s all the fraudulent socialist Muslim Kenyan’s fault. Or maybe I’ve just had one too many Lost Abbey Judgement Day ales.

[afx114]

I’m opposed to the bailouts too, but let’s have some intellectual honesty here — which administration started TARP? Where was all the outrage over the last 8 years when the deficit was doubled? Where was all the outrage at spending 12 billion a month for six years on an unecessary war? The point is that everyone is to blame. Can you explain all of the “Impeach the Kenyan” and “Monkey see, monkey spend” signs too?

Why now? Why not 6 months ago or 6 years ago? The answer is that taxes are a convnient excuse to complain about losing an election. How many of the protesters make over $250k? Since when is a 3% tax increase — to what it was under Clinton and still lower than it was under Reagan — socialism and “taxation without representation?” Was Reagan a socialist? Who was it that said deficits don’t matter? Why were protesters of Bush v. Gore considered whiners and sore losers while tea protesters are “true Americans?”

I’m all for protesing and dissent — but at least be honest about what you’re protesting. You’re pissed that you lost — and that’s fine. I was pissed when I lost in 2000/2004, so I feel your pain. But at least man up and realize that elections have consequences. And if you don’t like those consequnces you can make your voice heard — where it counts — in four years.

The opposition has blown their load way too prematurely. What are they going to do when Obama proposes health care? What are they going to do when he proposes energy reform? How about stem cells? What about social security reform? Will there be any heads left to explode?

Or maybe you’re right and it’s all the fraudulent socialist Muslim Kenyan’s fault. Or maybe I’ve just had one too many Lost Abbey Judgement Day ales.

[partypup]

[quote=afx114]I’m opposed to the bailouts too, but let’s have some intellectual honesty here — which administration started TARP? Where was all the outrage over the last 8 years when the deficit was doubled? Where was all the outrage at spending 12 billion a month for six years on an unecessary war? The point is that everyone is to blame. Can you explain all of the “Impeach the Kenyan” and “Monkey see, monkey spend” signs too?

Why now? Why not 6 months ago or 6 years ago? The answer is that taxes are a convnient excuse to complain about losing an election. How many of the protesters make over $250k? Since when is a 3% tax increase — to what it was under Clinton and still lower than it was under Reagan — socialism and “taxation without representation?” Was Reagan a socialist? Who was it that said deficits don’t matter? Why were protesters of Bush v. Gore considered whiners and sore losers while tea protesters are “true Americans?”

I’m all for protesing and dissent — but at least be honest about what you’re protesting. You’re pissed that you lost — and that’s fine. I was pissed when I lost in 2000/2004, so I feel your pain. But at least man up and realize that elections have consequences. And if you don’t like those consequnces you can make your voice heard — where it counts — in four years.

The opposition has blown their load way too prematurely. What are they going to do when Obama proposes health care? What are they going to do when he proposes energy reform? How about stem cells? What about social security reform? Will there be any heads left to explode?

Or maybe you’re right and it’s all the fraudulent socialist Muslim Kenyan’s fault. Or maybe I’ve just had one too many Lost Abbey Judgement Day ales.[/quote]

And nothing in this post addresses the fact that large numbers of tea party protesters are actually Democrats.

Regardless of whether you make 250K/yr or 30K/yr, you are being SCREWED by a Fed that prints endless reams of fiat money, courtesy of Bush AND Obama. And a $600 so-called tax “reduction” isn’t going to make the screwing more palatable.

You are correct: Bush started the TARP thievery.

And Obama is finishing it.

Blame Americans for being naive and slow on the uptake. Common sense should have told them 5 years ago that the country was on the path to destruction. But silly monkeys that they are, they failed to realize the train was hurtling over the cliff until the economic hit home in a very personal way. You know how it goes: when your neighbor loses his job, it’s a recession. When you lose your job, it’s a depression.

You ask which administration started TARP? That would be Bush, yes. But you’re only looking at one frame of a movie that has been playing for nearly 100 years. The better question to ask is which administration permitted the creation of the Federal Reserve that ENABLED Bush’s TARP.

And that, my friend, would be Woodrow Wilson – a Democrat.

No one on this board is placing the blame for our current predicament squarely at Obama’s feet. Only a fool would do that. But Bush and Obama are simply mouthpieces for a two-headed, one-party political system. Just because one thief passes the goods along to another thief, let’s not overlook the fact that they are both thieves.

You recommend that we make out voice heard — where it counts — in four years. Afx114, we don’t have that kind of time. This country is going to be toast in half that time if we don’t stand up and take action, and sashaying to the ballot box to install another career criminal working for the Fed is not exactly going to “make our voice heard”.

[partypup]

[quote=afx114]I’m opposed to the bailouts too, but let’s have some intellectual honesty here — which administration started TARP? Where was all the outrage over the last 8 years when the deficit was doubled? Where was all the outrage at spending 12 billion a month for six years on an unecessary war? The point is that everyone is to blame. Can you explain all of the “Impeach the Kenyan” and “Monkey see, monkey spend” signs too?

Why now? Why not 6 months ago or 6 years ago? The answer is that taxes are a convnient excuse to complain about losing an election. How many of the protesters make over $250k? Since when is a 3% tax increase — to what it was under Clinton and still lower than it was under Reagan — socialism and “taxation without representation?” Was Reagan a socialist? Who was it that said deficits don’t matter? Why were protesters of Bush v. Gore considered whiners and sore losers while tea protesters are “true Americans?”

I’m all for protesing and dissent — but at least be honest about what you’re protesting. You’re pissed that you lost — and that’s fine. I was pissed when I lost in 2000/2004, so I feel your pain. But at least man up and realize that elections have consequences. And if you don’t like those consequnces you can make your voice heard — where it counts — in four years.

The opposition has blown their load way too prematurely. What are they going to do when Obama proposes health care? What are they going to do when he proposes energy reform? How about stem cells? What about social security reform? Will there be any heads left to explode?

Or maybe you’re right and it’s all the fraudulent socialist Muslim Kenyan’s fault. Or maybe I’ve just had one too many Lost Abbey Judgement Day ales.[/quote]

And nothing in this post addresses the fact that large numbers of tea party protesters are actually Democrats.

Regardless of whether you make 250K/yr or 30K/yr, you are being SCREWED by a Fed that prints endless reams of fiat money, courtesy of Bush AND Obama. And a $600 so-called tax “reduction” isn’t going to make the screwing more palatable.

You are correct: Bush started the TARP thievery.

And Obama is finishing it.

Blame Americans for being naive and slow on the uptake. Common sense should have told them 5 years ago that the country was on the path to destruction. But silly monkeys that they are, they failed to realize the train was hurtling over the cliff until the economic hit home in a very personal way. You know how it goes: when your neighbor loses his job, it’s a recession. When you lose your job, it’s a depression.

You ask which administration started TARP? That would be Bush, yes. But you’re only looking at one frame of a movie that has been playing for nearly 100 years. The better question to ask is which administration permitted the creation of the Federal Reserve that ENABLED Bush’s TARP.

And that, my friend, would be Woodrow Wilson – a Democrat.

No one on this board is placing the blame for our current predicament squarely at Obama’s feet. Only a fool would do that. But Bush and Obama are simply mouthpieces for a two-headed, one-party political system. Just because one thief passes the goods along to another thief, let’s not overlook the fact that they are both thieves.

You recommend that we make out voice heard — where it counts — in four years. Afx114, we don’t have that kind of time. This country is going to be toast in half that time if we don’t stand up and take action, and sashaying to the ballot box to install another career criminal working for the Fed is not exactly going to “make our voice heard”.

[partypup]

[quote=afx114]I’m opposed to the bailouts too, but let’s have some intellectual honesty here — which administration started TARP? Where was all the outrage over the last 8 years when the deficit was doubled? Where was all the outrage at spending 12 billion a month for six years on an unecessary war? The point is that everyone is to blame. Can you explain all of the “Impeach the Kenyan” and “Monkey see, monkey spend” signs too?

Why now? Why not 6 months ago or 6 years ago? The answer is that taxes are a convnient excuse to complain about losing an election. How many of the protesters make over $250k? Since when is a 3% tax increase — to what it was under Clinton and still lower than it was under Reagan — socialism and “taxation without representation?” Was Reagan a socialist? Who was it that said deficits don’t matter? Why were protesters of Bush v. Gore considered whiners and sore losers while tea protesters are “true Americans?”

I’m all for protesing and dissent — but at least be honest about what you’re protesting. You’re pissed that you lost — and that’s fine. I was pissed when I lost in 2000/2004, so I feel your pain. But at least man up and realize that elections have consequences. And if you don’t like those consequnces you can make your voice heard — where it counts — in four years.

The opposition has blown their load way too prematurely. What are they going to do when Obama proposes health care? What are they going to do when he proposes energy reform? How about stem cells? What about social security reform? Will there be any heads left to explode?

Or maybe you’re right and it’s all the fraudulent socialist Muslim Kenyan’s fault. Or maybe I’ve just had one too many Lost Abbey Judgement Day ales.[/quote]

And nothing in this post addresses the fact that large numbers of tea party protesters are actually Democrats.

Regardless of whether you make 250K/yr or 30K/yr, you are being SCREWED by a Fed that prints endless reams of fiat money, courtesy of Bush AND Obama. And a $600 so-called tax “reduction” isn’t going to make the screwing more palatable.

You are correct: Bush started the TARP thievery.

And Obama is finishing it.

Blame Americans for being naive and slow on the uptake. Common sense should have told them 5 years ago that the country was on the path to destruction. But silly monkeys that they are, they failed to realize the train was hurtling over the cliff until the economic hit home in a very personal way. You know how it goes: when your neighbor loses his job, it’s a recession. When you lose your job, it’s a depression.

You ask which administration started TARP? That would be Bush, yes. But you’re only looking at one frame of a movie that has been playing for nearly 100 years. The better question to ask is which administration permitted the creation of the Federal Reserve that ENABLED Bush’s TARP.

And that, my friend, would be Woodrow Wilson – a Democrat.

No one on this board is placing the blame for our current predicament squarely at Obama’s feet. Only a fool would do that. But Bush and Obama are simply mouthpieces for a two-headed, one-party political system. Just because one thief passes the goods along to another thief, let’s not overlook the fact that they are both thieves.

You recommend that we make out voice heard — where it counts — in four years. Afx114, we don’t have that kind of time. This country is going to be toast in half that time if we don’t stand up and take action, and sashaying to the ballot box to install another career criminal working for the Fed is not exactly going to “make our voice heard”.

[partypup]

[quote=afx114]I’m opposed to the bailouts too, but let’s have some intellectual honesty here — which administration started TARP? Where was all the outrage over the last 8 years when the deficit was doubled? Where was all the outrage at spending 12 billion a month for six years on an unecessary war? The point is that everyone is to blame. Can you explain all of the “Impeach the Kenyan” and “Monkey see, monkey spend” signs too?

Why now? Why not 6 months ago or 6 years ago? The answer is that taxes are a convnient excuse to complain about losing an election. How many of the protesters make over $250k? Since when is a 3% tax increase — to what it was under Clinton and still lower than it was under Reagan — socialism and “taxation without representation?” Was Reagan a socialist? Who was it that said deficits don’t matter? Why were protesters of Bush v. Gore considered whiners and sore losers while tea protesters are “true Americans?”

I’m all for protesing and dissent — but at least be honest about what you’re protesting. You’re pissed that you lost — and that’s fine. I was pissed when I lost in 2000/2004, so I feel your pain. But at least man up and realize that elections have consequences. And if you don’t like those consequnces you can make your voice heard — where it counts — in four years.

The opposition has blown their load way too prematurely. What are they going to do when Obama proposes health care? What are they going to do when he proposes energy reform? How about stem cells? What about social security reform? Will there be any heads left to explode?

Or maybe you’re right and it’s all the fraudulent socialist Muslim Kenyan’s fault. Or maybe I’ve just had one too many Lost Abbey Judgement Day ales.[/quote]

And nothing in this post addresses the fact that large numbers of tea party protesters are actually Democrats.

Regardless of whether you make 250K/yr or 30K/yr, you are being SCREWED by a Fed that prints endless reams of fiat money, courtesy of Bush AND Obama. And a $600 so-called tax “reduction” isn’t going to make the screwing more palatable.

You are correct: Bush started the TARP thievery.

And Obama is finishing it.

Blame Americans for being naive and slow on the uptake. Common sense should have told them 5 years ago that the country was on the path to destruction. But silly monkeys that they are, they failed to realize the train was hurtling over the cliff until the economic hit home in a very personal way. You know how it goes: when your neighbor loses his job, it’s a recession. When you lose your job, it’s a depression.

You ask which administration started TARP? That would be Bush, yes. But you’re only looking at one frame of a movie that has been playing for nearly 100 years. The better question to ask is which administration permitted the creation of the Federal Reserve that ENABLED Bush’s TARP.

And that, my friend, would be Woodrow Wilson – a Democrat.

No one on this board is placing the blame for our current predicament squarely at Obama’s feet. Only a fool would do that. But Bush and Obama are simply mouthpieces for a two-headed, one-party political system. Just because one thief passes the goods along to another thief, let’s not overlook the fact that they are both thieves.

You recommend that we make out voice heard — where it counts — in four years. Afx114, we don’t have that kind of time. This country is going to be toast in half that time if we don’t stand up and take action, and sashaying to the ballot box to install another career criminal working for the Fed is not exactly going to “make our voice heard”.

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