California Special Election

[Shadowfax]

[quote=pri_dk]I do agree that state employee pensions are overly generous. But I don’t know the numbers. How much of the budget goes towards pensions? Is it 30% of the total budget? (probably not that high) Even if was that high, and we slashed pensions by 33%, that only reduces the total budget by 10%. Still not enough. (And BTW, there’s no law against you or I becoming a state employee — we could enjoy the perks as well.)

In general, we are probably in agreement with the basic sentiment that government spending is too high. But vague, generic rants about it don’t help, and only clutter the message boards. A real solution will require some homework – crunch some numbers and propose a specific course of action. Otherwise it’s just complaining.

Although I’d like to see the gov’t change course on some fiscal matters, I certainly don’t think any of this is anywhere near depressing. Even if we go totally broke, we can still go outside and enjoy the sunshine. After all, we live in California.[/quote]

The pensions are to make up for the low salaries most government workers received as compared to their private sector counterparts and thus lowered savings for retirement and later medical expenses. I do agree that perhaps the healthcare costs can be contained by not providing all the bells and whistles–but where to draw the line?

As for grandma’s meds, most grandmas didn’t live to 90+ back in the day so they didn’t need all those meds. And with retirees living longer, they will need MORE savings/pensions to get them through those years. Starting to get Orwellian…

[Shadowfax]

[quote=4plexowner]we also coddle immigrants in this country at taxpayer expense

LA schools provide translators for a ridiculous number of languages – govt forms and instructions are printed in multiple languages – at least one of the cities in Florida was printing forms and instructions in 6 languages!

in case anyone is unclear, this is America and we speak English – adapt or get the F out

if I came to your country with the intent of settling down, I wouldn’t expect you to teach my children and I your language much less provide translators while we learned[/quote]

ah, the bigotry comes out in times of economic crisis. translators are generally provided under a theory of equal access. It is abused but it is often legitimately necessary. Immigrants built this country (lots of first generation Irish and Italian built roads under the New Deal programs-and let’s not forget the Chinese and the transcontinental railroad and the hardships they suffered). Is that preferable to teaching English as a second language to Somalian refugees who now call America home?

[Shadowfax]

[quote=4plexowner]we also coddle immigrants in this country at taxpayer expense

LA schools provide translators for a ridiculous number of languages – govt forms and instructions are printed in multiple languages – at least one of the cities in Florida was printing forms and instructions in 6 languages!

in case anyone is unclear, this is America and we speak English – adapt or get the F out

if I came to your country with the intent of settling down, I wouldn’t expect you to teach my children and I your language much less provide translators while we learned[/quote]

ah, the bigotry comes out in times of economic crisis. translators are generally provided under a theory of equal access. It is abused but it is often legitimately necessary. Immigrants built this country (lots of first generation Irish and Italian built roads under the New Deal programs-and let’s not forget the Chinese and the transcontinental railroad and the hardships they suffered). Is that preferable to teaching English as a second language to Somalian refugees who now call America home?

[Shadowfax]

[quote=4plexowner]we also coddle immigrants in this country at taxpayer expense

LA schools provide translators for a ridiculous number of languages – govt forms and instructions are printed in multiple languages – at least one of the cities in Florida was printing forms and instructions in 6 languages!

in case anyone is unclear, this is America and we speak English – adapt or get the F out

if I came to your country with the intent of settling down, I wouldn’t expect you to teach my children and I your language much less provide translators while we learned[/quote]

ah, the bigotry comes out in times of economic crisis. translators are generally provided under a theory of equal access. It is abused but it is often legitimately necessary. Immigrants built this country (lots of first generation Irish and Italian built roads under the New Deal programs-and let’s not forget the Chinese and the transcontinental railroad and the hardships they suffered). Is that preferable to teaching English as a second language to Somalian refugees who now call America home?

[Shadowfax]

[quote=4plexowner]we also coddle immigrants in this country at taxpayer expense

LA schools provide translators for a ridiculous number of languages – govt forms and instructions are printed in multiple languages – at least one of the cities in Florida was printing forms and instructions in 6 languages!

in case anyone is unclear, this is America and we speak English – adapt or get the F out

if I came to your country with the intent of settling down, I wouldn’t expect you to teach my children and I your language much less provide translators while we learned[/quote]

ah, the bigotry comes out in times of economic crisis. translators are generally provided under a theory of equal access. It is abused but it is often legitimately necessary. Immigrants built this country (lots of first generation Irish and Italian built roads under the New Deal programs-and let’s not forget the Chinese and the transcontinental railroad and the hardships they suffered). Is that preferable to teaching English as a second language to Somalian refugees who now call America home?

[Shadowfax]

[quote=4plexowner]we also coddle immigrants in this country at taxpayer expense

LA schools provide translators for a ridiculous number of languages – govt forms and instructions are printed in multiple languages – at least one of the cities in Florida was printing forms and instructions in 6 languages!

in case anyone is unclear, this is America and we speak English – adapt or get the F out

if I came to your country with the intent of settling down, I wouldn’t expect you to teach my children and I your language much less provide translators while we learned[/quote]

ah, the bigotry comes out in times of economic crisis. translators are generally provided under a theory of equal access. It is abused but it is often legitimately necessary. Immigrants built this country (lots of first generation Irish and Italian built roads under the New Deal programs-and let’s not forget the Chinese and the transcontinental railroad and the hardships they suffered). Is that preferable to teaching English as a second language to Somalian refugees who now call America home?

[4plexowner]

“Immigrants built this country”

and they managed to do it without taxpayer provided translators

~

call it bigotry if you want, at some point we will be forced to make some hard choices

we are going to have to stop coddling immigrants and let grandma die on the curb

there’s this little thing called economic reality …

[4plexowner]

“Immigrants built this country”

and they managed to do it without taxpayer provided translators

~

call it bigotry if you want, at some point we will be forced to make some hard choices

we are going to have to stop coddling immigrants and let grandma die on the curb

there’s this little thing called economic reality …

[4plexowner]

“Immigrants built this country”

and they managed to do it without taxpayer provided translators

~

call it bigotry if you want, at some point we will be forced to make some hard choices

we are going to have to stop coddling immigrants and let grandma die on the curb

there’s this little thing called economic reality …

[4plexowner]

“Immigrants built this country”

and they managed to do it without taxpayer provided translators

~

call it bigotry if you want, at some point we will be forced to make some hard choices

we are going to have to stop coddling immigrants and let grandma die on the curb

there’s this little thing called economic reality …

[4plexowner]

“Immigrants built this country”

and they managed to do it without taxpayer provided translators

~

call it bigotry if you want, at some point we will be forced to make some hard choices

we are going to have to stop coddling immigrants and let grandma die on the curb

there’s this little thing called economic reality …

[Anonymous]

Is the upcoming May 19th California special election really a 22 billion dollar tax increase?

Does anyone have a better explanation of the true tax implication of the May 19th 2009 California Special Election?

As far as I can tell from reading the official voter information guide, the simplest explanation of the tax consequences of each California ballot initiative seems to be …

1A: 16 billion dollar tax extension (billed as the “rainy day fund”)
1B: 9.3 billion dollar tax increase (tied to the “rainy-day proposition)
1C: 5.0 billion dollar loan (cost = 10 billion in taxes) from the lottery
1D: 0.608 billion dollar tax redirection (from Children’s Services Funding)
1E: 0.230 billion dollar tax redirection (from Mental Health Services Funding)
1F: no meaningful tax implication (salary freeze during deficit years)

Is my math correct? The tax implication of the California statewide special election is a 22 billion dollar tax increase?

[Anonymous]

Is the upcoming May 19th California special election really a 22 billion dollar tax increase?

Does anyone have a better explanation of the true tax implication of the May 19th 2009 California Special Election?

As far as I can tell from reading the official voter information guide, the simplest explanation of the tax consequences of each California ballot initiative seems to be …

1A: 16 billion dollar tax extension (billed as the “rainy day fund”)
1B: 9.3 billion dollar tax increase (tied to the “rainy-day proposition)
1C: 5.0 billion dollar loan (cost = 10 billion in taxes) from the lottery
1D: 0.608 billion dollar tax redirection (from Children’s Services Funding)
1E: 0.230 billion dollar tax redirection (from Mental Health Services Funding)
1F: no meaningful tax implication (salary freeze during deficit years)

Is my math correct? The tax implication of the California statewide special election is a 22 billion dollar tax increase?

[Anonymous]

Is the upcoming May 19th California special election really a 22 billion dollar tax increase?

Does anyone have a better explanation of the true tax implication of the May 19th 2009 California Special Election?

As far as I can tell from reading the official voter information guide, the simplest explanation of the tax consequences of each California ballot initiative seems to be …

1A: 16 billion dollar tax extension (billed as the “rainy day fund”)
1B: 9.3 billion dollar tax increase (tied to the “rainy-day proposition)
1C: 5.0 billion dollar loan (cost = 10 billion in taxes) from the lottery
1D: 0.608 billion dollar tax redirection (from Children’s Services Funding)
1E: 0.230 billion dollar tax redirection (from Mental Health Services Funding)
1F: no meaningful tax implication (salary freeze during deficit years)

Is my math correct? The tax implication of the California statewide special election is a 22 billion dollar tax increase?

[Anonymous]

Is the upcoming May 19th California special election really a 22 billion dollar tax increase?

Does anyone have a better explanation of the true tax implication of the May 19th 2009 California Special Election?

As far as I can tell from reading the official voter information guide, the simplest explanation of the tax consequences of each California ballot initiative seems to be …

1A: 16 billion dollar tax extension (billed as the “rainy day fund”)
1B: 9.3 billion dollar tax increase (tied to the “rainy-day proposition)
1C: 5.0 billion dollar loan (cost = 10 billion in taxes) from the lottery
1D: 0.608 billion dollar tax redirection (from Children’s Services Funding)
1E: 0.230 billion dollar tax redirection (from Mental Health Services Funding)
1F: no meaningful tax implication (salary freeze during deficit years)

Is my math correct? The tax implication of the California statewide special election is a 22 billion dollar tax increase?

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