But they PROMISED!!!!

[liver]

It is likely to be the same hostility new owners have towards people who have been in their house since prop 13 and are paying very little in property taxes for the same public services.

[liver]

It is likely to be the same hostility new owners have towards people who have been in their house since prop 13 and are paying very little in property taxes for the same public services.

[PerryChase]

liver, I disagree on the Prop 13 comment. Property taxes largely go to schools. Since your argument is based on pay-for-use, long time owners don’t generally have school age children (at least not anymore), therefore it’s fair for them to pay less in taxes under prop 13. They use much less public services because they don’t use the schools.

I’m a progressive thinker and think that we should pay taxes regardless of the services we use as a way of contributing to society. BUT since the general mentality is “why should I pay for something that’s of no benefit to me?” then I think that Prop 13 is fair.

Personally, I think there should be some nominal tuition for schools, like $500 to $1000 per year. People should think long and hard before they have kids, rather than pop them out after a marital fight.

[PerryChase]

liver, I disagree on the Prop 13 comment. Property taxes largely go to schools. Since your argument is based on pay-for-use, long time owners don’t generally have school age children (at least not anymore), therefore it’s fair for them to pay less in taxes under prop 13. They use much less public services because they don’t use the schools.

I’m a progressive thinker and think that we should pay taxes regardless of the services we use as a way of contributing to society. BUT since the general mentality is “why should I pay for something that’s of no benefit to me?” then I think that Prop 13 is fair.

Personally, I think there should be some nominal tuition for schools, like $500 to $1000 per year. People should think long and hard before they have kids, rather than pop them out after a marital fight.

[one_muggle]

PC,
People should think long and hard before they have kids, rather than pop them out after a marital fight.

So true!

You almost sound conservative. Has someone stolen your handle??!! ;^)

-one muggle

[one_muggle]

PC,
People should think long and hard before they have kids, rather than pop them out after a marital fight.

So true!

You almost sound conservative. Has someone stolen your handle??!! ;^)

-one muggle

[lonestar2000]

I would be upset too, but when people take light of the most important purchase of their life there’s nobody to blame but themselves.

People today think nothing about what they spend money on, just look at the bling passing for cars these days. A friend’s niece recently installed a 20 inch LCD display in her SUV so passangers in other cars can drool over it. The average population today is so stupid it’s scary.

[lonestar2000]

I would be upset too, but when people take light of the most important purchase of their life there’s nobody to blame but themselves.

People today think nothing about what they spend money on, just look at the bling passing for cars these days. A friend’s niece recently installed a 20 inch LCD display in her SUV so passangers in other cars can drool over it. The average population today is so stupid it’s scary.

[liver]

PC-
I think prop 13 is very unfair, though I understand the arguments for it. Don’t assume the school thing justifies it because not all new people to an area are young couples with kids and use the schools…how can they be with house prices so high?

Also you can pass the house down to your kids so you have people who are using the schools who are paying their parents property tax rates. Additionally, you have a lot of people who choose to send their kids to private school because they perceive public schools as being bad, so they aren’t getting their money’s worth for their property taxes either.

I am also progressive in that I think everyone should pay taxes, I just don’t think we should separate tax payers into groups based on age or time lived somewhere or race, sex, creed or any other majority rules basis.

[liver]

PC-
I think prop 13 is very unfair, though I understand the arguments for it. Don’t assume the school thing justifies it because not all new people to an area are young couples with kids and use the schools…how can they be with house prices so high?

Also you can pass the house down to your kids so you have people who are using the schools who are paying their parents property tax rates. Additionally, you have a lot of people who choose to send their kids to private school because they perceive public schools as being bad, so they aren’t getting their money’s worth for their property taxes either.

I am also progressive in that I think everyone should pay taxes, I just don’t think we should separate tax payers into groups based on age or time lived somewhere or race, sex, creed or any other majority rules basis.

[recordsclerk]

Prop 13 helps homeowners that are on a limited income retire and stay in their homes. If it wasn’t for prop 13 the government can impose tax hikes anytime they want. This law was made to prevent the government from raising your taxes more then 2 percent annually. It wasn’t meant to separate the new buyers from the old buyers. It’s the unprecedented run-up in prices that have done this. It’s also the builder’s that pass on obligations from the city to the buyers through mello roos. Anyone can take advantage of prop 13. It does not discriminate a buyer in any way. It is a hard pill to swallow when your neighbor may be paying 1/2 of what you are, but it also allows you to do the same if you stay long term. With all this new tax revenue I don’t understand why the city is still in financial trouble. I also think when prices double like they did in 3 years, there should be some kind of tax reduction for new buyers to make it fair, maybe a max of 10% increase annually.

[recordsclerk]

Prop 13 helps homeowners that are on a limited income retire and stay in their homes. If it wasn’t for prop 13 the government can impose tax hikes anytime they want. This law was made to prevent the government from raising your taxes more then 2 percent annually. It wasn’t meant to separate the new buyers from the old buyers. It’s the unprecedented run-up in prices that have done this. It’s also the builder’s that pass on obligations from the city to the buyers through mello roos. Anyone can take advantage of prop 13. It does not discriminate a buyer in any way. It is a hard pill to swallow when your neighbor may be paying 1/2 of what you are, but it also allows you to do the same if you stay long term. With all this new tax revenue I don’t understand why the city is still in financial trouble. I also think when prices double like they did in 3 years, there should be some kind of tax reduction for new buyers to make it fair, maybe a max of 10% increase annually.

[Ash Housewares]

Prop 13 limits fluidity in the marketplace and is bad for all of us. It’s like rent control- it may seem like a good idea at first glance, but it results in people who can’t afford to move and landlords who charge higher rent to everyone else to make up for the ultra low rent a few tenants enjoy. Similarly, Cities charge very high taxes to some people to make up for the pittance others pay.

We need to get rid of these artificial barriers to a truly free market in housing. Without these barriers, people would be freer to adjust to changes in their income or family situation, rather than being “locked in”. The bubble would pop sooner if it weren’t for market hinderences like Prop 13.

[Ash Housewares]

Prop 13 limits fluidity in the marketplace and is bad for all of us. It’s like rent control- it may seem like a good idea at first glance, but it results in people who can’t afford to move and landlords who charge higher rent to everyone else to make up for the ultra low rent a few tenants enjoy. Similarly, Cities charge very high taxes to some people to make up for the pittance others pay.

We need to get rid of these artificial barriers to a truly free market in housing. Without these barriers, people would be freer to adjust to changes in their income or family situation, rather than being “locked in”. The bubble would pop sooner if it weren’t for market hinderences like Prop 13.

[liver]

Ah rent control I remember when I lived in San Francisco starting out and was paying more than half my take home pay in rent. Guy across the hall from me paid about 1/5 of what I paid and used the place to see his mistress. It was so great watching him pull up in his Benz with his girlfriend and use the place for a couple hours each week while eating my ramen noodles…
And try to get the landlord to fix anything was always fun, since he wanted people to move out so he could charge more to the next person.

Of course rent control was sold as a way to keep little old ladies off the street (sound familiar) but the result was a lot of misused housing, a black market in sublets, little upkeep of property and very low supply of rentals but as long as it was better for 51% of the population it was a great thing.

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