Bob Casagrand

[sdrealtor]

I pretty much echo what PS said. I was speaking specifically about the Encinitas area that has many longtime Mexican families that do not speak English in their homes. I know many of them personally and have only the highest regard for them. They are all honest, hardworking honorable people but many of them are trapped at an economic level because of their values. To clarify, I used the word Hispanic because that is how they are classified in the reports (i.e. by ethnicity not country of origin). The truth is most of them in my area are of Mexican descent.

I too believe most people have the same abilities and potential. (Heck some people are just wired different and smarter than most of us). I started on this thread mentioning that I believe API scores are overated and that people should focus on instilling the proper values in the children more than sending them to the #1 ranked school. Unlike many of you, I believe there are many good schools around here that children can and will thrive at as long as they have involved parents. It would not bother me in the least to have economically disadvantaged children in my kids classes, in fact it would give them a more accurate picture of the world. The top ranked schools around here are top ranked because they dont have these children. I grew up in an area where prejudice was rampant. Frankly that is why I dont live there any more. My children are friends with children whose ancestors have been and continue to be at war with my mine. I raise my children to be good citizens of the world in hopes they can spread my values. It is a beautiful thing watching my son play with his friends and not think his hispanic, asian, arabic, catholic, jewish, protestant and african american friends are any different than him.

[jonze170]

“how often did you see a Chinese play soccer or basketball? How many Chinese start a business? Are they creative, playful, able to enjoy themselves if they have failed at something? I don’t know, because they are forced by their parents to study so much. Chinese don’t care if their kids are athletic.”

WTF ?!!? Are you for real?

Powayseller – you add a lot to this board – but as “a Chinese” I’m going to recommend that you stay away from the generalizations regarding ethnicity. Your statements are borderline out of line.

I know, I know – you’ll probably respond and tell me “Hey I’m not like that – I have lots of friends that are (insert race here)”…

PS – You couldn’t stop a penalty kick from my 5 year old Chinese son… I’ll set it up – but I have to check his schedule first. He started his own business selling lemonade, and his days are pretty full.

[novice1027]

"(except the Africans do have the genetics to be the fastest runners)"

PS are you kidding??

Does your husband ever want to slap you for the stupid shit that you say?

[zk]

Deadzone quotes:

“To suggest that genetics plays a role in athletic ability (i.e. africans are faster runners) but does not play any role in academic ability is pure ignorance.”

“(Mexicans) are probably not coming from the best genetic stock in terms of academic intelligence.”

I can’t imagine that what you meant is that Mexicans aren’t as smart as… whoever it is that you’re saying has better “genetic stock.” Is it? Is that what you’re saying?

As far as your theory that genetics play a role in academic ability, you seem to say that this applies to whole races. Assuming, for a second, that your theory is correct, why do you think the Mexicans are of inferior genetic stock?

[kiki]

first, sorry for placing the post here. i thought i was writing on the Poway school thread.

Second, ‘I pretty much echo what PS said” “So sdrealtor is almost right I” wow, i made SDR and PS agree!!! 🙂

Nadorenter, I am not sure why schools are so bad, and higher education is great. This is the perception from people that have studied here (in either or both levels). We may be wrong and is only perception. I wanted to mentioned because i thought it was funny that in the US you had the opposite view about us.

Anyway, I do not consider I own the truth but I wanted to share my view from my experience and that generalizing may not be correct.

One example, people that come from my country to the US are mainly well educated, even the illegals, so the perspection is that we are very hard working and smart. People that migrate from my country to Spain are from lower, uneducated class and the perception there is that we are lazy and thiefs. Countries or people from ethnic groups are too big and diverse too generalize.

[bluemoon]

A “yellow card” to Powayseller: keep your posts limited to real estate issues; and please keep your generalizations about ethnicities like the Chinese to yourself. It’s sounds really stupid to others and disgusting to me. At this rate, in a couple of weeks, no one will want to read your posts.

[Anonymous]

It is pretty well established scientifically that race plays a factor in IQ. Environmental factors don’t make enough of a dent in the stats to take a front seat to genetics in IQ studies. It just doesn’t make for pleasant conversation. Classism doesn’t make it any more palatable. And confusing ethnic groups and nationalities with race just throws gasoline on the fire.

[Anonymous]

zk,

I’m saying with no uncertainty that the portion of Mexicans that come here illegally, in general, do not represent the best genetics that Mexico has to offer in terms of academic intelligence. That is one factor (among many factors) that explains the substandard performance of Mexican American children in US schools and universities relative to other groups/races.

Of course genetics play a role in academic ability. Anyone who denies that is living in a politically correct cave. Whether you want to extrapolate that to entire groups, races, etc. then you open up the age old argument of DNA influence vs. cultural influence.

[rankandfile]

You should be very careful in how your words are expressed out of fear for how they will be received. I personally think that there are certain things that can be somewhat summarized based on race, such as certain test scores. However, there are a multitude of factors that play a part in why people score the way that they do, and many of them just happen to fall along racial lines. They aren’t necessarily genetic. Although I think that genetics plays a big role in a lot of things, I believe they are tempered by social and environmental factors that are so much more difficult to quantify.

Whenever you start to go down the path of saying such and such a race is genetically superior or inferior for whatever reason, you are simply asking for trouble.

I think that powayseller should be given the benefit of the doubt and forgiven…much in the same way that Reggie White was forgiven (by many). I don’t think her intent was one of malice or bigotry.

Transcript of Reggie White’s speech:
http://my.execpc.com/~dross/aw/regwhite.html

[sdrealtor]

Is that the same Reggie White that signed a fat free agent contract with GB because God told him to do it? Oh yeah, they also offered him the most money.

[theplayers]

What is going on here? This is getting embarassing. Powayseller, your broad ethnic generalizations only make you look foolish and ignorant, and just create more controversy on this forum. I agree, please keep your posts limited to housing related topics.

Now, can we all get back to insightful sharing of ideas and observations about the housing market?

[jonze170]

Rank – I believe that PS is one of the most valued contributors to this board. However, go back and read some of the ridiculous generalizations about entire races/ethnic groups in her post – many are not based on anything remotely “scientific”.

As an aside, it’s incredible to me that one can make such statements without hesitation – yet be so horribly offended by sdr’s statement about Casagrand translating loosely to BIGHOUSE…

Since we are all giving everyone the benefit of the doubt here about each others intentions, I think PS can lead us off and give sdr the same consideration regarding what was nothing more than a joke.

[powayseller]

I’m sorry I started a discussion that drifted off course.

I strongly disagree with the genetics stuff, and I did NOT write that. So please be careful in what of the above is attributed to me.

I was explaining the API scores, and that the difference is NOT genetic, but cultural and environmental. I tried to convey that academic success is the the most important thing in life. Perhaps API is overrated.

I am half Iranian, and my race is disliked. So if you have a racial bone to pick, you are barking at the wrong person! I believe the API scores reflect environmental, income status, and values, not ability or potential. I regret I wasn’t able to convey that. I must work on my communication.

As far as Bob’s name, he’s my friend, so I was sticking up for him. If he thinks it’s funny, I have no problem with the joke.

[desmond]

I was just pointing out an article that showed housing was down!

[powayseller]

desmond, you’re right on! Funny comment, I have to laugh at myself.

I think Bob’s comments about the high vacancy rate are very important, and haven’t been covered enough. He told me sales are down by increasing increments every quarter. Down 10%, then 20%, then 30% in this last quarter. If we keep going at that rate and don’t pick up any speed, we will be down 40% in the Q3 06, and down 50% in Q4 06.

Bob also explained that the high inventory is due to fewer sales, not more listings. This is a big misunderstanding floating around. People think desperate investors are unloading their properties. That is not contributing to the high inventory. I believe when people start dumping their homes because their mortgages adjust, inventory will skyrocket.

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