Are Republicans exaggerating the effects of tax increases to small businesses?

[Coronita]

[quote=TheBreeze]flu,

How’s it feel to suck off the government teat? I find it ironic that you are essentially a ward of the state and yet you still rail against higher taxes. Those higher taxes are paying for your disability. You should be greatful to workers like me who pay for your carefree lifestyle.

And you are still bringing up relatively miniscule government expenses while totally ignoring the multi-trillion dollar banker-class bailout?

As for taxes, I didn’t like the income tax increase as I feel it is already too high. But, I guess someone has to pay for you and others in the welfare class.

I am fine with the sales tax and other types of tax increases. I would like to see a much higher gas tax. European style gas taxes would be fine with me. [/quote]

I feel pretty good because I’ve already paid for my dues for the past 14 years never taking leave, and I don’t plan on staying on my ass like a good portion of people who abuse this privilege. And better me than that octet mom.

Again, you’re misunderstanding the point. These “tax on rich” isn’t targeting the real rich. Every tax on rich has always hurt the “working class” aren’t rich (slightly better off,but not rich). These folks have a job like most everyone else and are just as vunerable just like everyone else.

Republicans screw the lower to middle class. Democrats screw the mid-to upper middle class.

True rich people might feel a slight disconfort here and there, but htey have plenty of loopholesand typically have more resources to shelter incomes. This won’t change. Why do you think several CEO’s and hedge fund folks have a $0 salary…Do some due diligence and you’d be surprised how much comps are being paid as equity, NOT ordinary income subject to these tax rates.
A household of two enginerds who are employees hardly has the financial independence that these CEOs do, and yet Obama’s policy is going to impact a lot more of these workerbees than touch those a8hole bankers you describe.Politicians are smart they can’t really go after those powerful lobbying groups/campaign contributors and CEOs. Obama wants to really target all those CEO’s and aholes, fine. But Obama isn’t doing that. He’s going after the same worker bees..Obama’s crew is going to use the banks as a whipping boy to appease to the mass, but you think he’s really going to screw around with top CEO’s. He’s not that dumb.

And guess what? A good portion of those higher income worker bees have gone or will go on unemployment very soon anyway. Read the thread about the lawyers who made $300k who are getting axed. Which means, that really, the Fed is nowhere going to make up for the huge deficit is going to continue to spend because that upper middle class is being elminated or drastically scaled down during this recession.

Wake up…This is all smokes and mirrors.

And yes, i have no problem taking my disability, because I paid my dues for the past 14 years never taking leave, and I don’t plan on staying on my ass like a good portion of people who abuse this privilege.

And, I’m perfectly fine with the CA tax hike. In fact I think it should be more. I just think everyone should have to pay. I’m not against raising taxes. Everyone should pay to get out of this mess.

[speedingpullet]

“I fail to see how it could possible cost $1billion to fix a census. Maybe it costs $990 million to hire consultants and have meetings about the need to fix the census, from which the only outcome is “we need to fix the census”, then the remaining $10million to actually do it. Isn’t that typically how our government spends money? Guess what after the $1billion, the census is still going to be screwed up as it always will.”

Actually, $1 billion for a census that covers the entire population of the United States is a pretty good budget.

For a start, it on;y happens every 10 years, so you’re not going to have the people in place since the last one to do it. There’ll be a few key people kept on retainer since 2000, but the feet on the ground will need to be hired to do the heavy lifting.

Next – although its a census, and will tabulate pretty much the same things over its lifetime – there’s always new questions that need to be asked each time its run. Yes, that will involve getting some people in a room to decide what needs to be asked (who need to be paid).

Then, you have to proof it, print it and distribute it to everybody. You’ll need people to deliver it, run a phone line for people asking questions about it, and have people on the ground to make sure that people get them, and have answered them.
You also need to provide ‘special’ census forms for the legally blind (in Braille) and also in the largest minority languages in the country – the amounts of each, ironically, calculated from the last census in 2000. You need to co-ordinate with the postal services to make sure that you get a blanket delivery. Plus, you need to send some overseas.

Finally, you need people to input the data, hire or buy computers to store the data, and hire people to analyse and distribute the data to the relevant agencies.

So, all in all, for the largest survey in the US – I’d say that $1 billion is pretty good.

Having worked for quite a while as a statistician that conducted much more modest surveys, with a much smaller population base than the entire US, its amazing how much money it costs.

And, yes, the Census is ALWAYS screwed up – no matter how hard you try, there will always be problems with it. One of the myriad ways of ‘fixing’ it is to try and create models that fill in the missing gaps, and to find ways of disseminating in non-traditional ways (ie online).

But, according to the constitution, you HAVE to do it. And, you should WANT to, too – how can you plan anything with old and out of date data?

Knowledge is power – and no matter if you think its a waste of money, its important to keep an eye on the shifting demographics of the country.

[speedingpullet]

“I fail to see how it could possible cost $1billion to fix a census. Maybe it costs $990 million to hire consultants and have meetings about the need to fix the census, from which the only outcome is “we need to fix the census”, then the remaining $10million to actually do it. Isn’t that typically how our government spends money? Guess what after the $1billion, the census is still going to be screwed up as it always will.”

Actually, $1 billion for a census that covers the entire population of the United States is a pretty good budget.

For a start, it on;y happens every 10 years, so you’re not going to have the people in place since the last one to do it. There’ll be a few key people kept on retainer since 2000, but the feet on the ground will need to be hired to do the heavy lifting.

Next – although its a census, and will tabulate pretty much the same things over its lifetime – there’s always new questions that need to be asked each time its run. Yes, that will involve getting some people in a room to decide what needs to be asked (who need to be paid).

Then, you have to proof it, print it and distribute it to everybody. You’ll need people to deliver it, run a phone line for people asking questions about it, and have people on the ground to make sure that people get them, and have answered them.
You also need to provide ‘special’ census forms for the legally blind (in Braille) and also in the largest minority languages in the country – the amounts of each, ironically, calculated from the last census in 2000. You need to co-ordinate with the postal services to make sure that you get a blanket delivery. Plus, you need to send some overseas.

Finally, you need people to input the data, hire or buy computers to store the data, and hire people to analyse and distribute the data to the relevant agencies.

So, all in all, for the largest survey in the US – I’d say that $1 billion is pretty good.

Having worked for quite a while as a statistician that conducted much more modest surveys, with a much smaller population base than the entire US, its amazing how much money it costs.

And, yes, the Census is ALWAYS screwed up – no matter how hard you try, there will always be problems with it. One of the myriad ways of ‘fixing’ it is to try and create models that fill in the missing gaps, and to find ways of disseminating in non-traditional ways (ie online).

But, according to the constitution, you HAVE to do it. And, you should WANT to, too – how can you plan anything with old and out of date data?

Knowledge is power – and no matter if you think its a waste of money, its important to keep an eye on the shifting demographics of the country.

[speedingpullet]

“I fail to see how it could possible cost $1billion to fix a census. Maybe it costs $990 million to hire consultants and have meetings about the need to fix the census, from which the only outcome is “we need to fix the census”, then the remaining $10million to actually do it. Isn’t that typically how our government spends money? Guess what after the $1billion, the census is still going to be screwed up as it always will.”

Actually, $1 billion for a census that covers the entire population of the United States is a pretty good budget.

For a start, it on;y happens every 10 years, so you’re not going to have the people in place since the last one to do it. There’ll be a few key people kept on retainer since 2000, but the feet on the ground will need to be hired to do the heavy lifting.

Next – although its a census, and will tabulate pretty much the same things over its lifetime – there’s always new questions that need to be asked each time its run. Yes, that will involve getting some people in a room to decide what needs to be asked (who need to be paid).

Then, you have to proof it, print it and distribute it to everybody. You’ll need people to deliver it, run a phone line for people asking questions about it, and have people on the ground to make sure that people get them, and have answered them.
You also need to provide ‘special’ census forms for the legally blind (in Braille) and also in the largest minority languages in the country – the amounts of each, ironically, calculated from the last census in 2000. You need to co-ordinate with the postal services to make sure that you get a blanket delivery. Plus, you need to send some overseas.

Finally, you need people to input the data, hire or buy computers to store the data, and hire people to analyse and distribute the data to the relevant agencies.

So, all in all, for the largest survey in the US – I’d say that $1 billion is pretty good.

Having worked for quite a while as a statistician that conducted much more modest surveys, with a much smaller population base than the entire US, its amazing how much money it costs.

And, yes, the Census is ALWAYS screwed up – no matter how hard you try, there will always be problems with it. One of the myriad ways of ‘fixing’ it is to try and create models that fill in the missing gaps, and to find ways of disseminating in non-traditional ways (ie online).

But, according to the constitution, you HAVE to do it. And, you should WANT to, too – how can you plan anything with old and out of date data?

Knowledge is power – and no matter if you think its a waste of money, its important to keep an eye on the shifting demographics of the country.

[speedingpullet]

“I fail to see how it could possible cost $1billion to fix a census. Maybe it costs $990 million to hire consultants and have meetings about the need to fix the census, from which the only outcome is “we need to fix the census”, then the remaining $10million to actually do it. Isn’t that typically how our government spends money? Guess what after the $1billion, the census is still going to be screwed up as it always will.”

Actually, $1 billion for a census that covers the entire population of the United States is a pretty good budget.

For a start, it on;y happens every 10 years, so you’re not going to have the people in place since the last one to do it. There’ll be a few key people kept on retainer since 2000, but the feet on the ground will need to be hired to do the heavy lifting.

Next – although its a census, and will tabulate pretty much the same things over its lifetime – there’s always new questions that need to be asked each time its run. Yes, that will involve getting some people in a room to decide what needs to be asked (who need to be paid).

Then, you have to proof it, print it and distribute it to everybody. You’ll need people to deliver it, run a phone line for people asking questions about it, and have people on the ground to make sure that people get them, and have answered them.
You also need to provide ‘special’ census forms for the legally blind (in Braille) and also in the largest minority languages in the country – the amounts of each, ironically, calculated from the last census in 2000. You need to co-ordinate with the postal services to make sure that you get a blanket delivery. Plus, you need to send some overseas.

Finally, you need people to input the data, hire or buy computers to store the data, and hire people to analyse and distribute the data to the relevant agencies.

So, all in all, for the largest survey in the US – I’d say that $1 billion is pretty good.

Having worked for quite a while as a statistician that conducted much more modest surveys, with a much smaller population base than the entire US, its amazing how much money it costs.

And, yes, the Census is ALWAYS screwed up – no matter how hard you try, there will always be problems with it. One of the myriad ways of ‘fixing’ it is to try and create models that fill in the missing gaps, and to find ways of disseminating in non-traditional ways (ie online).

But, according to the constitution, you HAVE to do it. And, you should WANT to, too – how can you plan anything with old and out of date data?

Knowledge is power – and no matter if you think its a waste of money, its important to keep an eye on the shifting demographics of the country.

[speedingpullet]

“I fail to see how it could possible cost $1billion to fix a census. Maybe it costs $990 million to hire consultants and have meetings about the need to fix the census, from which the only outcome is “we need to fix the census”, then the remaining $10million to actually do it. Isn’t that typically how our government spends money? Guess what after the $1billion, the census is still going to be screwed up as it always will.”

Actually, $1 billion for a census that covers the entire population of the United States is a pretty good budget.

For a start, it on;y happens every 10 years, so you’re not going to have the people in place since the last one to do it. There’ll be a few key people kept on retainer since 2000, but the feet on the ground will need to be hired to do the heavy lifting.

Next – although its a census, and will tabulate pretty much the same things over its lifetime – there’s always new questions that need to be asked each time its run. Yes, that will involve getting some people in a room to decide what needs to be asked (who need to be paid).

Then, you have to proof it, print it and distribute it to everybody. You’ll need people to deliver it, run a phone line for people asking questions about it, and have people on the ground to make sure that people get them, and have answered them.
You also need to provide ‘special’ census forms for the legally blind (in Braille) and also in the largest minority languages in the country – the amounts of each, ironically, calculated from the last census in 2000. You need to co-ordinate with the postal services to make sure that you get a blanket delivery. Plus, you need to send some overseas.

Finally, you need people to input the data, hire or buy computers to store the data, and hire people to analyse and distribute the data to the relevant agencies.

So, all in all, for the largest survey in the US – I’d say that $1 billion is pretty good.

Having worked for quite a while as a statistician that conducted much more modest surveys, with a much smaller population base than the entire US, its amazing how much money it costs.

And, yes, the Census is ALWAYS screwed up – no matter how hard you try, there will always be problems with it. One of the myriad ways of ‘fixing’ it is to try and create models that fill in the missing gaps, and to find ways of disseminating in non-traditional ways (ie online).

But, according to the constitution, you HAVE to do it. And, you should WANT to, too – how can you plan anything with old and out of date data?

Knowledge is power – and no matter if you think its a waste of money, its important to keep an eye on the shifting demographics of the country.

[Coronita]

[quote=speedingpullet]“I fail to see how it could possible cost $1billion to fix a census. Maybe it costs $990 million to hire consultants and have meetings about the need to fix the census, from which the only outcome is “we need to fix the census”, then the remaining $10million to actually do it. Isn’t that typically how our government spends money? Guess what after the $1billion, the census is still going to be screwed up as it always will.”

Actually, $1 billion for a census that covers the entire population of the United States is a pretty good budget.

For a start, it on;y happens every 10 years, so you’re not going to have the people in place since the last one to do it. There’ll be a few key people kept on retainer since 2000, but the feet on the ground will need to be hired to do the heavy lifting.

Next – although its a census, and will tabulate pretty much the same things over its lifetime – there’s always new questions that need to be asked each time its run. Yes, that will involve getting some people in a room to decide what needs to be asked (who need to be paid).

Then, you have to proof it, print it and distribute it to everybody. You’ll need people to deliver it, run a phone line for people asking questions about it, and have people on the ground to make sure that people get them, and have answered them.
You also need to provide ‘special’ census forms for the legally blind (in Braille) and also in the largest minority languages in the country – the amounts of each, ironically, calculated from the last census in 2000. You need to co-ordinate with the postal services to make sure that you get a blanket delivery. Plus, you need to send some overseas.

Finally, you need people to input the data, hire or buy computers to store the data, and hire people to analyse and distribute the data to the relevant agencies.

So, all in all, for the largest survey in the US – I’d say that $1 billion is pretty good.

Having worked for quite a while as a statistician that conducted much more modest surveys, with a much smaller population base than the entire US, its amazing how much money it costs.

And, yes, the Census is ALWAYS screwed up – no matter how hard you try, there will always be problems with it. One of the myriad ways of ‘fixing’ it is to try and create models that fill in the missing gaps, and to find ways of disseminating in non-traditional ways (ie online).

But, according to the constitution, you HAVE to do it. And, you should WANT to, too – how can you plan anything with old and out of date data?

Knowledge is power – and no matter if you think its a waste of money, its important to keep an eye on the shifting demographics of the country.[/quote]

Don’t disagree with the need? But again $1billion???
How about just taking attaching it to a tax return? I’m a subscriber to “no representation without taxation” 🙂 And yes, that means everyone has to file, even those that don’t need to pay. Also, do you count folks that are illegal? We have rules about citizenship/PR tests, about basic english skills, or is that not necessary anymore?

[Coronita]

[quote=speedingpullet]“I fail to see how it could possible cost $1billion to fix a census. Maybe it costs $990 million to hire consultants and have meetings about the need to fix the census, from which the only outcome is “we need to fix the census”, then the remaining $10million to actually do it. Isn’t that typically how our government spends money? Guess what after the $1billion, the census is still going to be screwed up as it always will.”

Actually, $1 billion for a census that covers the entire population of the United States is a pretty good budget.

For a start, it on;y happens every 10 years, so you’re not going to have the people in place since the last one to do it. There’ll be a few key people kept on retainer since 2000, but the feet on the ground will need to be hired to do the heavy lifting.

Next – although its a census, and will tabulate pretty much the same things over its lifetime – there’s always new questions that need to be asked each time its run. Yes, that will involve getting some people in a room to decide what needs to be asked (who need to be paid).

Then, you have to proof it, print it and distribute it to everybody. You’ll need people to deliver it, run a phone line for people asking questions about it, and have people on the ground to make sure that people get them, and have answered them.
You also need to provide ‘special’ census forms for the legally blind (in Braille) and also in the largest minority languages in the country – the amounts of each, ironically, calculated from the last census in 2000. You need to co-ordinate with the postal services to make sure that you get a blanket delivery. Plus, you need to send some overseas.

Finally, you need people to input the data, hire or buy computers to store the data, and hire people to analyse and distribute the data to the relevant agencies.

So, all in all, for the largest survey in the US – I’d say that $1 billion is pretty good.

Having worked for quite a while as a statistician that conducted much more modest surveys, with a much smaller population base than the entire US, its amazing how much money it costs.

And, yes, the Census is ALWAYS screwed up – no matter how hard you try, there will always be problems with it. One of the myriad ways of ‘fixing’ it is to try and create models that fill in the missing gaps, and to find ways of disseminating in non-traditional ways (ie online).

But, according to the constitution, you HAVE to do it. And, you should WANT to, too – how can you plan anything with old and out of date data?

Knowledge is power – and no matter if you think its a waste of money, its important to keep an eye on the shifting demographics of the country.[/quote]

Don’t disagree with the need? But again $1billion???
How about just taking attaching it to a tax return? I’m a subscriber to “no representation without taxation” 🙂 And yes, that means everyone has to file, even those that don’t need to pay. Also, do you count folks that are illegal? We have rules about citizenship/PR tests, about basic english skills, or is that not necessary anymore?

[Coronita]

[quote=speedingpullet]“I fail to see how it could possible cost $1billion to fix a census. Maybe it costs $990 million to hire consultants and have meetings about the need to fix the census, from which the only outcome is “we need to fix the census”, then the remaining $10million to actually do it. Isn’t that typically how our government spends money? Guess what after the $1billion, the census is still going to be screwed up as it always will.”

Actually, $1 billion for a census that covers the entire population of the United States is a pretty good budget.

For a start, it on;y happens every 10 years, so you’re not going to have the people in place since the last one to do it. There’ll be a few key people kept on retainer since 2000, but the feet on the ground will need to be hired to do the heavy lifting.

Next – although its a census, and will tabulate pretty much the same things over its lifetime – there’s always new questions that need to be asked each time its run. Yes, that will involve getting some people in a room to decide what needs to be asked (who need to be paid).

Then, you have to proof it, print it and distribute it to everybody. You’ll need people to deliver it, run a phone line for people asking questions about it, and have people on the ground to make sure that people get them, and have answered them.
You also need to provide ‘special’ census forms for the legally blind (in Braille) and also in the largest minority languages in the country – the amounts of each, ironically, calculated from the last census in 2000. You need to co-ordinate with the postal services to make sure that you get a blanket delivery. Plus, you need to send some overseas.

Finally, you need people to input the data, hire or buy computers to store the data, and hire people to analyse and distribute the data to the relevant agencies.

So, all in all, for the largest survey in the US – I’d say that $1 billion is pretty good.

Having worked for quite a while as a statistician that conducted much more modest surveys, with a much smaller population base than the entire US, its amazing how much money it costs.

And, yes, the Census is ALWAYS screwed up – no matter how hard you try, there will always be problems with it. One of the myriad ways of ‘fixing’ it is to try and create models that fill in the missing gaps, and to find ways of disseminating in non-traditional ways (ie online).

But, according to the constitution, you HAVE to do it. And, you should WANT to, too – how can you plan anything with old and out of date data?

Knowledge is power – and no matter if you think its a waste of money, its important to keep an eye on the shifting demographics of the country.[/quote]

Don’t disagree with the need? But again $1billion???
How about just taking attaching it to a tax return? I’m a subscriber to “no representation without taxation” 🙂 And yes, that means everyone has to file, even those that don’t need to pay. Also, do you count folks that are illegal? We have rules about citizenship/PR tests, about basic english skills, or is that not necessary anymore?

[Coronita]

[quote=speedingpullet]“I fail to see how it could possible cost $1billion to fix a census. Maybe it costs $990 million to hire consultants and have meetings about the need to fix the census, from which the only outcome is “we need to fix the census”, then the remaining $10million to actually do it. Isn’t that typically how our government spends money? Guess what after the $1billion, the census is still going to be screwed up as it always will.”

Actually, $1 billion for a census that covers the entire population of the United States is a pretty good budget.

For a start, it on;y happens every 10 years, so you’re not going to have the people in place since the last one to do it. There’ll be a few key people kept on retainer since 2000, but the feet on the ground will need to be hired to do the heavy lifting.

Next – although its a census, and will tabulate pretty much the same things over its lifetime – there’s always new questions that need to be asked each time its run. Yes, that will involve getting some people in a room to decide what needs to be asked (who need to be paid).

Then, you have to proof it, print it and distribute it to everybody. You’ll need people to deliver it, run a phone line for people asking questions about it, and have people on the ground to make sure that people get them, and have answered them.
You also need to provide ‘special’ census forms for the legally blind (in Braille) and also in the largest minority languages in the country – the amounts of each, ironically, calculated from the last census in 2000. You need to co-ordinate with the postal services to make sure that you get a blanket delivery. Plus, you need to send some overseas.

Finally, you need people to input the data, hire or buy computers to store the data, and hire people to analyse and distribute the data to the relevant agencies.

So, all in all, for the largest survey in the US – I’d say that $1 billion is pretty good.

Having worked for quite a while as a statistician that conducted much more modest surveys, with a much smaller population base than the entire US, its amazing how much money it costs.

And, yes, the Census is ALWAYS screwed up – no matter how hard you try, there will always be problems with it. One of the myriad ways of ‘fixing’ it is to try and create models that fill in the missing gaps, and to find ways of disseminating in non-traditional ways (ie online).

But, according to the constitution, you HAVE to do it. And, you should WANT to, too – how can you plan anything with old and out of date data?

Knowledge is power – and no matter if you think its a waste of money, its important to keep an eye on the shifting demographics of the country.[/quote]

Don’t disagree with the need? But again $1billion???
How about just taking attaching it to a tax return? I’m a subscriber to “no representation without taxation” 🙂 And yes, that means everyone has to file, even those that don’t need to pay. Also, do you count folks that are illegal? We have rules about citizenship/PR tests, about basic english skills, or is that not necessary anymore?

[Coronita]

[quote=speedingpullet]“I fail to see how it could possible cost $1billion to fix a census. Maybe it costs $990 million to hire consultants and have meetings about the need to fix the census, from which the only outcome is “we need to fix the census”, then the remaining $10million to actually do it. Isn’t that typically how our government spends money? Guess what after the $1billion, the census is still going to be screwed up as it always will.”

Actually, $1 billion for a census that covers the entire population of the United States is a pretty good budget.

For a start, it on;y happens every 10 years, so you’re not going to have the people in place since the last one to do it. There’ll be a few key people kept on retainer since 2000, but the feet on the ground will need to be hired to do the heavy lifting.

Next – although its a census, and will tabulate pretty much the same things over its lifetime – there’s always new questions that need to be asked each time its run. Yes, that will involve getting some people in a room to decide what needs to be asked (who need to be paid).

Then, you have to proof it, print it and distribute it to everybody. You’ll need people to deliver it, run a phone line for people asking questions about it, and have people on the ground to make sure that people get them, and have answered them.
You also need to provide ‘special’ census forms for the legally blind (in Braille) and also in the largest minority languages in the country – the amounts of each, ironically, calculated from the last census in 2000. You need to co-ordinate with the postal services to make sure that you get a blanket delivery. Plus, you need to send some overseas.

Finally, you need people to input the data, hire or buy computers to store the data, and hire people to analyse and distribute the data to the relevant agencies.

So, all in all, for the largest survey in the US – I’d say that $1 billion is pretty good.

Having worked for quite a while as a statistician that conducted much more modest surveys, with a much smaller population base than the entire US, its amazing how much money it costs.

And, yes, the Census is ALWAYS screwed up – no matter how hard you try, there will always be problems with it. One of the myriad ways of ‘fixing’ it is to try and create models that fill in the missing gaps, and to find ways of disseminating in non-traditional ways (ie online).

But, according to the constitution, you HAVE to do it. And, you should WANT to, too – how can you plan anything with old and out of date data?

Knowledge is power – and no matter if you think its a waste of money, its important to keep an eye on the shifting demographics of the country.[/quote]

Don’t disagree with the need? But again $1billion???
How about just taking attaching it to a tax return? I’m a subscriber to “no representation without taxation” 🙂 And yes, that means everyone has to file, even those that don’t need to pay. Also, do you count folks that are illegal? We have rules about citizenship/PR tests, about basic english skills, or is that not necessary anymore?

[speedingpullet]

No need to shoot the messenger!

I’m just pointing out that from a logistical point of view, $1billion isn’t all that much for a survey of an entire population.

One person’s ‘pork’ is another’s ‘stimulus’ – just depends on what you see as neccessary and what you see as bull$hit.

As for the Tax Return -not everyone pays taxes.

And, if you don’t run the census how are you ever going to know the proportion of ‘Illegals’ in the US?

[speedingpullet]

No need to shoot the messenger!

I’m just pointing out that from a logistical point of view, $1billion isn’t all that much for a survey of an entire population.

One person’s ‘pork’ is another’s ‘stimulus’ – just depends on what you see as neccessary and what you see as bull$hit.

As for the Tax Return -not everyone pays taxes.

And, if you don’t run the census how are you ever going to know the proportion of ‘Illegals’ in the US?

[speedingpullet]

No need to shoot the messenger!

I’m just pointing out that from a logistical point of view, $1billion isn’t all that much for a survey of an entire population.

One person’s ‘pork’ is another’s ‘stimulus’ – just depends on what you see as neccessary and what you see as bull$hit.

As for the Tax Return -not everyone pays taxes.

And, if you don’t run the census how are you ever going to know the proportion of ‘Illegals’ in the US?

[speedingpullet]

No need to shoot the messenger!

I’m just pointing out that from a logistical point of view, $1billion isn’t all that much for a survey of an entire population.

One person’s ‘pork’ is another’s ‘stimulus’ – just depends on what you see as neccessary and what you see as bull$hit.

As for the Tax Return -not everyone pays taxes.

And, if you don’t run the census how are you ever going to know the proportion of ‘Illegals’ in the US?

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