anyone even slightley bullish about RE market?

[peterb]

I wonder what happens when deflation hits wages?

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=Rich Toscano]
Actually, Japan’s low rates didn’t translate to an increase in the money supply. And they didn’t start quantitative easing (central banker euphemism for money printing) until 2001 — ie a decade after the bust started. So as far as the “printing press” goes, Bernanke and crew have already done what it took Japan over a decade to do.

Rich
[/quote]

That’s true. US economists have long puzzled why Japan didn’t start quantitative easing when they experience huge deflation.

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=Rich Toscano]
Actually, Japan’s low rates didn’t translate to an increase in the money supply. And they didn’t start quantitative easing (central banker euphemism for money printing) until 2001 — ie a decade after the bust started. So as far as the “printing press” goes, Bernanke and crew have already done what it took Japan over a decade to do.

Rich
[/quote]

That’s true. US economists have long puzzled why Japan didn’t start quantitative easing when they experience huge deflation.

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=Rich Toscano]
Actually, Japan’s low rates didn’t translate to an increase in the money supply. And they didn’t start quantitative easing (central banker euphemism for money printing) until 2001 — ie a decade after the bust started. So as far as the “printing press” goes, Bernanke and crew have already done what it took Japan over a decade to do.

Rich
[/quote]

That’s true. US economists have long puzzled why Japan didn’t start quantitative easing when they experience huge deflation.

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=Rich Toscano]
Actually, Japan’s low rates didn’t translate to an increase in the money supply. And they didn’t start quantitative easing (central banker euphemism for money printing) until 2001 — ie a decade after the bust started. So as far as the “printing press” goes, Bernanke and crew have already done what it took Japan over a decade to do.

Rich
[/quote]

That’s true. US economists have long puzzled why Japan didn’t start quantitative easing when they experience huge deflation.

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=Rich Toscano]
Actually, Japan’s low rates didn’t translate to an increase in the money supply. And they didn’t start quantitative easing (central banker euphemism for money printing) until 2001 — ie a decade after the bust started. So as far as the “printing press” goes, Bernanke and crew have already done what it took Japan over a decade to do.

Rich
[/quote]

That’s true. US economists have long puzzled why Japan didn’t start quantitative easing when they experience huge deflation.

[sdrealtor]

I think 2009 will be a repeat of 2008 in some areas but not in others. I think countywide stats are worthless because we are a series of submarkets moving at different paces. I think downtown luxury condos will get hit much more than 10%. I think in our area (NCC) an approx 10% decline sounds about right.

[sdrealtor]

I think 2009 will be a repeat of 2008 in some areas but not in others. I think countywide stats are worthless because we are a series of submarkets moving at different paces. I think downtown luxury condos will get hit much more than 10%. I think in our area (NCC) an approx 10% decline sounds about right.

[sdrealtor]

I think 2009 will be a repeat of 2008 in some areas but not in others. I think countywide stats are worthless because we are a series of submarkets moving at different paces. I think downtown luxury condos will get hit much more than 10%. I think in our area (NCC) an approx 10% decline sounds about right.

[sdrealtor]

I think 2009 will be a repeat of 2008 in some areas but not in others. I think countywide stats are worthless because we are a series of submarkets moving at different paces. I think downtown luxury condos will get hit much more than 10%. I think in our area (NCC) an approx 10% decline sounds about right.

[sdrealtor]

I think 2009 will be a repeat of 2008 in some areas but not in others. I think countywide stats are worthless because we are a series of submarkets moving at different paces. I think downtown luxury condos will get hit much more than 10%. I think in our area (NCC) an approx 10% decline sounds about right.

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=sdduuuude]I think that “one day” bit is the key to life right now. Shiff thinks soon. Mish says later.

We have massive debt defaults that Japan did not and in Japan, borrowed money was invested elsewhere. Now, few are borrowing at all to invest anywhere. Same effect, no ? The Fed is practically begging people to borrow and spend and they aren’t doing it.

I’m thinking it’ll take 3 years or so but wouldn’t be terribly surprised if it takes 5.

When do you think that might happen, CBW ?
[/quote]

I actually have an unconventional view. Many doomsday forecasters are predicting that our debts will bankrupt the nation. I think eventually they are right but their timing might be off. Just like many rational people are predicting a housing bust long before the bubble actually bursts. The bubble always lasts longer than what rational person thinks it would last.
The key I think is dollar. I think the dollar will remain strong when the rest of the world’s economy is still struggling. It is hard for a debt country to have trouble when its currency is still strong. The tide will change only after the rest of the world’s economy recovers before US. It is too far away to predict that right now.
So I would think that US stock market is actually ready for a rally. That might actually improve everything else from real estate to job market. But once that is over, we will still look at the huge debt and possible the start of ramping inflation. That’s when the next down cycle would begin.

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=sdduuuude]I think that “one day” bit is the key to life right now. Shiff thinks soon. Mish says later.

We have massive debt defaults that Japan did not and in Japan, borrowed money was invested elsewhere. Now, few are borrowing at all to invest anywhere. Same effect, no ? The Fed is practically begging people to borrow and spend and they aren’t doing it.

I’m thinking it’ll take 3 years or so but wouldn’t be terribly surprised if it takes 5.

When do you think that might happen, CBW ?
[/quote]

I actually have an unconventional view. Many doomsday forecasters are predicting that our debts will bankrupt the nation. I think eventually they are right but their timing might be off. Just like many rational people are predicting a housing bust long before the bubble actually bursts. The bubble always lasts longer than what rational person thinks it would last.
The key I think is dollar. I think the dollar will remain strong when the rest of the world’s economy is still struggling. It is hard for a debt country to have trouble when its currency is still strong. The tide will change only after the rest of the world’s economy recovers before US. It is too far away to predict that right now.
So I would think that US stock market is actually ready for a rally. That might actually improve everything else from real estate to job market. But once that is over, we will still look at the huge debt and possible the start of ramping inflation. That’s when the next down cycle would begin.

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=sdduuuude]I think that “one day” bit is the key to life right now. Shiff thinks soon. Mish says later.

We have massive debt defaults that Japan did not and in Japan, borrowed money was invested elsewhere. Now, few are borrowing at all to invest anywhere. Same effect, no ? The Fed is practically begging people to borrow and spend and they aren’t doing it.

I’m thinking it’ll take 3 years or so but wouldn’t be terribly surprised if it takes 5.

When do you think that might happen, CBW ?
[/quote]

I actually have an unconventional view. Many doomsday forecasters are predicting that our debts will bankrupt the nation. I think eventually they are right but their timing might be off. Just like many rational people are predicting a housing bust long before the bubble actually bursts. The bubble always lasts longer than what rational person thinks it would last.
The key I think is dollar. I think the dollar will remain strong when the rest of the world’s economy is still struggling. It is hard for a debt country to have trouble when its currency is still strong. The tide will change only after the rest of the world’s economy recovers before US. It is too far away to predict that right now.
So I would think that US stock market is actually ready for a rally. That might actually improve everything else from real estate to job market. But once that is over, we will still look at the huge debt and possible the start of ramping inflation. That’s when the next down cycle would begin.

[carlsbadworker]

[quote=sdduuuude]I think that “one day” bit is the key to life right now. Shiff thinks soon. Mish says later.

We have massive debt defaults that Japan did not and in Japan, borrowed money was invested elsewhere. Now, few are borrowing at all to invest anywhere. Same effect, no ? The Fed is practically begging people to borrow and spend and they aren’t doing it.

I’m thinking it’ll take 3 years or so but wouldn’t be terribly surprised if it takes 5.

When do you think that might happen, CBW ?
[/quote]

I actually have an unconventional view. Many doomsday forecasters are predicting that our debts will bankrupt the nation. I think eventually they are right but their timing might be off. Just like many rational people are predicting a housing bust long before the bubble actually bursts. The bubble always lasts longer than what rational person thinks it would last.
The key I think is dollar. I think the dollar will remain strong when the rest of the world’s economy is still struggling. It is hard for a debt country to have trouble when its currency is still strong. The tide will change only after the rest of the world’s economy recovers before US. It is too far away to predict that right now.
So I would think that US stock market is actually ready for a rally. That might actually improve everything else from real estate to job market. But once that is over, we will still look at the huge debt and possible the start of ramping inflation. That’s when the next down cycle would begin.

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