Airport Near Miramar Base

[hs]

I heard the discussion about building SD airport near Miramar base. Will that impact the house value around that area? I am thinking to buy a house in Scripps Ranch, but if they build the airport near base, then S.R. won’t be a good place anymore. Any thoughts?

[john67elco]

Do what other buyers do. Buy near the airport and add on 100k for peek-boo view of screaming jets over the property. Seriously that would suck if they did do that right after you bought. I was looking with my wife in Temecula/Murrieta area at homes today and with the million that are listed; we were in a whirl wind of homes, open houses, and mess that I just said screw this and went home. Is Murrieta east of the 215 best for that city location wise? I’m coming from Inland Empire area and have no clue. We don’t know about the Temecula area but API scores are awesome and my wife is putting in for teaching elementary there (26 job openings in elementary schools in Temecula). Course we’d buy knowing we would be there 10 years but I looked into price vs. higher interest rates and it comes out close if interest rates rise to 10% and homes dropped 30%. If we left here, I’d say screw it and buy because I have been renting same house 7 years and can’t/won’t move into another rental. But seeing millions of homes out there on the market over 100 days is tripping me out. I’m going to submit low ass offers, they pay all closing cost to them all. Out of all the houses we liked, someone will do it. But any ideas on streets and on good locations of Murrieta and Temecula? Thanks all.

Side note: Drive through Murrieta and check out the ton of homes for sale, it’s a mess. I looked at a short sale for $385k and almost threw up. Picyures looked nice but weeds are taller than me and has trash and keg collers outside. What a joke.

[Drew]

Talk of moving the commercial airport out of the downtown area has been going on for decades. Unless there has been a recent turn of events, and the US military has decided to pack up and leave Mira Mar, I dont see it moving anytime soon.

[powayseller]

One of the final ideas is to share Miramar with the military. Other cities have a shared military civilian airfield.

Airport noise does reduce property values, but I don’t know how much.

This is the most current I could find on the subject:

County voters are slated to vote on a location for a new airport — or an expansion of Lindbergh — in November 2006.

The possible sites for a new airport include an Imperial Valley desert location, an all-but-abandoned Borrego Springs site and a site in Campo. Five military sites also under consideration are March Air Reserve Base in Riverside County, two sites at Miramar Marine Corps Air Station in San Diego, Camp Pendleton, and North Island Naval Air Station in Coronado.

[zk]

I’m in the aviation business, and I can tell you that the chances of Miramar being used as a joint-use airport are very slim.

Also, civilian airliners make much, much less noise than F-18s. Of course, with joint use you’d have both airliners and fighters. But for most areas, you’d barely notice the jetliners compared to the ruckus that F-18s make.

[powayseller]

Why do you think Miramar has a low chance of being used? Do you think it’s more likely to expand Lindbergh field? Will the voters ultimately decide?

If you are within several miles of the airport, you will certainly hear the airplanes overhead, if they come over your house, right? And they come in from the east. Airplanes take off and land toward the west, against the wind. So if Miramar is used, then the area east of Miramar would be in the direct flight path. It may be quieter than F-18s, but you can definitely hear it.

[zk]

I’m familiar with some of the (unpublicized) opinions of some members of the committee, and they seriously doubt that the Miramar plan will go through.

I don’t think the voters will be given a chance to decide on Miramar. Whether they’ll be given a chance to decide between some other options, I don’t know.

The area directly east of the current location of the airport at Miramar is an extension of Miramar MCAS; there are no homes there, and there won’t be for the forseeable future. There are homes north and south of the area directly east of Miramar. The closest ones to the flight path of arrivals would be the southernmost parts of Scripps Ranch. But the civilian runways would be south of the military runways, moving their arrival corridor even further south. So the civilian airliners would be further away in addition to being quieter airplanes.

The areas of UTC and La Jolla Shores, and, to a lesser extent, Clairemont Mesa, would be much more affected than the areas east of the airport. These areas listen to extremely loud F-18s on a regular basis. Also, those F-18s overfly those areas at 2,000 feet right now. If Miramar became a joint-use airport, flight paths would be changed, and both the military and civilian airplanes would climb to higher altitudes over these areas, reducing thier noise.

There’d still be more noise there than there is now, but not by as much as most people think.

[zk]

“if they build the airport near base, then S.R. won’t be a good place anymore.”

That may or may not be true, but as far as airplane noise goes, there would be very little, even in the southernmost parts. From the northern parts of Scripps Ranch, and probably from the middle parts, you wouldn’t hear them at all.

As far as the other effects, such as traffic and congestion, that may be a different story, but I don’t know. It doesn’t seem to me like traffic around Lindbergh is exacerbated too much by Lindbergh being there. And, from what I hear, there would be freeway expansion projects if they put an airport there. That right there would worry more than anything else. Freeway expansion takes a long time and is a real hassle.

All that said, again, chances are very slim of an airport being put there.

[powayseller]

Isn’t the final decision up to Congress?

[hs]

Thanks for all the infomation.

They said they will make the decision in Nov. It is better to wait and see.

[powayseller]

Today’s Voice article says Miramar has been recommended as the site.

[zk]

“San Diego County government officials (shall) make every effort to persuade Congress and the military to make available (Miramar.)”

And therein lies the rub. That’s the part that’s very unlikely to happen.

[zk]

Actually, it will be a recomendation asking the full board to put forth a ballot measure asking the voters to ask the SD government to ask Congress and the military to make Miramar available.

The answers to those first three might or might not be yesses, but the last one will probably be a no.

[PD]

The military will stand firm against it. The military powers that be are saying NO, NO and NO WAY.

[powayseller]

Are you saying that the military will not allow an airport at any of its bases? If so, then Point Loma is the most viable option?

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