After 60 job applications, honor student back home in Missoula

[UCGal]

[quote=waiting for bottom]
Yes Top 40, no not Davis. Davis is 2nd tier in my rankings. Only CA schools I consider top are UCB, UCLA, USC.[/quote]

Stanford doesn’t make the list?

FWIW – I have friends and family with top tier MBAs (Wharton, Columbia, Kellogg)and friends and family with mid to lower tier MBAs (USD, Rutgers, SDSU, UCSD.)

Only 2 of these folks is using their MBA in the workplace – the rest either changed careers and/or went and got additional schooling in a different field. One went and got a PhD in Business and is hoping to teach since consulting is pretty slim pickings these days.

[davelj]

[quote=beanmaestro][quote=davelj][quote=flu]I don’t know, I wouldn’t want my kid to be gambling on those odds thinking she was one of those “gifted ones”.
[/quote]

It’s way beyond being “gifted.” Anyone with Bill Gates’ level of success got VERY VERY lucky at multiple points along the path. There are plenty of folks with Bill Gates’ intellect and drive, but we don’t read about them. Because they didn’t have Bill Gates’ luck.[/quote]

I disagree, so let me play some devil’s advocate:

Bill Gates had the drive and intellect to be an entrepeneur, and you really don’t need a college degree for that (in some fields). There are lots of successful entrepeneurs out there, not just the 1% most gifted. And you don’t have to found Microsoft to have a good career working for yourself.

The catch is that few 18-to-22 year olds have the drive, confidence, and initial capital to start a business. Worse, the skills to do it aren’t being taught in high school, because of the attitude that “college is for that.” I think we’d do well to let high-initiative kids take a year off before college, and let them use some of their college money trying to start a business, organization, or whatever.[/quote]

I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said here. My point was less about college vs. no college, and more about the extremely low odds of achieving Bill Gates’ level of success, completely regardless of intelligence, drive, etc.

[davelj]

[quote=beanmaestro][quote=davelj][quote=flu]I don’t know, I wouldn’t want my kid to be gambling on those odds thinking she was one of those “gifted ones”.
[/quote]

It’s way beyond being “gifted.” Anyone with Bill Gates’ level of success got VERY VERY lucky at multiple points along the path. There are plenty of folks with Bill Gates’ intellect and drive, but we don’t read about them. Because they didn’t have Bill Gates’ luck.[/quote]

I disagree, so let me play some devil’s advocate:

Bill Gates had the drive and intellect to be an entrepeneur, and you really don’t need a college degree for that (in some fields). There are lots of successful entrepeneurs out there, not just the 1% most gifted. And you don’t have to found Microsoft to have a good career working for yourself.

The catch is that few 18-to-22 year olds have the drive, confidence, and initial capital to start a business. Worse, the skills to do it aren’t being taught in high school, because of the attitude that “college is for that.” I think we’d do well to let high-initiative kids take a year off before college, and let them use some of their college money trying to start a business, organization, or whatever.[/quote]

I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said here. My point was less about college vs. no college, and more about the extremely low odds of achieving Bill Gates’ level of success, completely regardless of intelligence, drive, etc.

[davelj]

[quote=beanmaestro][quote=davelj][quote=flu]I don’t know, I wouldn’t want my kid to be gambling on those odds thinking she was one of those “gifted ones”.
[/quote]

It’s way beyond being “gifted.” Anyone with Bill Gates’ level of success got VERY VERY lucky at multiple points along the path. There are plenty of folks with Bill Gates’ intellect and drive, but we don’t read about them. Because they didn’t have Bill Gates’ luck.[/quote]

I disagree, so let me play some devil’s advocate:

Bill Gates had the drive and intellect to be an entrepeneur, and you really don’t need a college degree for that (in some fields). There are lots of successful entrepeneurs out there, not just the 1% most gifted. And you don’t have to found Microsoft to have a good career working for yourself.

The catch is that few 18-to-22 year olds have the drive, confidence, and initial capital to start a business. Worse, the skills to do it aren’t being taught in high school, because of the attitude that “college is for that.” I think we’d do well to let high-initiative kids take a year off before college, and let them use some of their college money trying to start a business, organization, or whatever.[/quote]

I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said here. My point was less about college vs. no college, and more about the extremely low odds of achieving Bill Gates’ level of success, completely regardless of intelligence, drive, etc.

[davelj]

[quote=beanmaestro][quote=davelj][quote=flu]I don’t know, I wouldn’t want my kid to be gambling on those odds thinking she was one of those “gifted ones”.
[/quote]

It’s way beyond being “gifted.” Anyone with Bill Gates’ level of success got VERY VERY lucky at multiple points along the path. There are plenty of folks with Bill Gates’ intellect and drive, but we don’t read about them. Because they didn’t have Bill Gates’ luck.[/quote]

I disagree, so let me play some devil’s advocate:

Bill Gates had the drive and intellect to be an entrepeneur, and you really don’t need a college degree for that (in some fields). There are lots of successful entrepeneurs out there, not just the 1% most gifted. And you don’t have to found Microsoft to have a good career working for yourself.

The catch is that few 18-to-22 year olds have the drive, confidence, and initial capital to start a business. Worse, the skills to do it aren’t being taught in high school, because of the attitude that “college is for that.” I think we’d do well to let high-initiative kids take a year off before college, and let them use some of their college money trying to start a business, organization, or whatever.[/quote]

I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said here. My point was less about college vs. no college, and more about the extremely low odds of achieving Bill Gates’ level of success, completely regardless of intelligence, drive, etc.

[davelj]

[quote=beanmaestro][quote=davelj][quote=flu]I don’t know, I wouldn’t want my kid to be gambling on those odds thinking she was one of those “gifted ones”.
[/quote]

It’s way beyond being “gifted.” Anyone with Bill Gates’ level of success got VERY VERY lucky at multiple points along the path. There are plenty of folks with Bill Gates’ intellect and drive, but we don’t read about them. Because they didn’t have Bill Gates’ luck.[/quote]

I disagree, so let me play some devil’s advocate:

Bill Gates had the drive and intellect to be an entrepeneur, and you really don’t need a college degree for that (in some fields). There are lots of successful entrepeneurs out there, not just the 1% most gifted. And you don’t have to found Microsoft to have a good career working for yourself.

The catch is that few 18-to-22 year olds have the drive, confidence, and initial capital to start a business. Worse, the skills to do it aren’t being taught in high school, because of the attitude that “college is for that.” I think we’d do well to let high-initiative kids take a year off before college, and let them use some of their college money trying to start a business, organization, or whatever.[/quote]

I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said here. My point was less about college vs. no college, and more about the extremely low odds of achieving Bill Gates’ level of success, completely regardless of intelligence, drive, etc.

[waiting for bottom]

Oops. Yes, obviously Stanford.

The problem with the Top 5 or so is that they all want to do banking or consulting – they’re “too good” for industry. So it doesn’t suprise me that they got out of those two hammered industries over the past few years.

USD, etc. really don’t add much value to a resume IMHO.

[waiting for bottom]

Oops. Yes, obviously Stanford.

The problem with the Top 5 or so is that they all want to do banking or consulting – they’re “too good” for industry. So it doesn’t suprise me that they got out of those two hammered industries over the past few years.

USD, etc. really don’t add much value to a resume IMHO.

[waiting for bottom]

Oops. Yes, obviously Stanford.

The problem with the Top 5 or so is that they all want to do banking or consulting – they’re “too good” for industry. So it doesn’t suprise me that they got out of those two hammered industries over the past few years.

USD, etc. really don’t add much value to a resume IMHO.

[waiting for bottom]

Oops. Yes, obviously Stanford.

The problem with the Top 5 or so is that they all want to do banking or consulting – they’re “too good” for industry. So it doesn’t suprise me that they got out of those two hammered industries over the past few years.

USD, etc. really don’t add much value to a resume IMHO.

[waiting for bottom]

Oops. Yes, obviously Stanford.

The problem with the Top 5 or so is that they all want to do banking or consulting – they’re “too good” for industry. So it doesn’t suprise me that they got out of those two hammered industries over the past few years.

USD, etc. really don’t add much value to a resume IMHO.

[trex]

[quote=EconProf]…How valuable is a Sociology degree in the job market? English, history, political science, ethnic studies, women’s studies?
[/quote]

You forgot to mention econ. Though a good economist can always get work selling his/her soul to NAR.

[trex]

[quote=EconProf]…How valuable is a Sociology degree in the job market? English, history, political science, ethnic studies, women’s studies?
[/quote]

You forgot to mention econ. Though a good economist can always get work selling his/her soul to NAR.

[trex]

[quote=EconProf]…How valuable is a Sociology degree in the job market? English, history, political science, ethnic studies, women’s studies?
[/quote]

You forgot to mention econ. Though a good economist can always get work selling his/her soul to NAR.

[trex]

[quote=EconProf]…How valuable is a Sociology degree in the job market? English, history, political science, ethnic studies, women’s studies?
[/quote]

You forgot to mention econ. Though a good economist can always get work selling his/her soul to NAR.

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