Affirmative action : Harvard

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=Ricechex]He is concerned that if the medical schools accept just anyone based on race then why would you trust them? They are just going to accept people and pass them because of race? I think it is discriminatory.[/quote]

I don’t believe it’s a problem at the Harvard level.
But let’s give you the benefit of the doubt…. if this private university wants to damage it’s brand, should it not have the freedom to do so without government meddling?

[Coronita]

Once again, Brian, you are clearly demonstrating you lack any consistency or only support “a progressive agenda “simply because it’s progressive, even as backassward it is. By your own admission, you are blinded even when a policy is awful.

But I’ll bite….with an example…

Fair Housing Act.

With your own rental properties, Brian, I dare you to publish something on craigslist or zillow, with your real contact information for rent to your private property…something that says ..I will only consider 25% of the qualified african americans and latinos applicants for my available condos/houses…

Let’s see how far you get with that one…

If you cannot see this as the same thing or try to weasle around it like you normally do…then, you sir, are a progressive parrot moron.

As much as I hate Mr. Trump, Brian, I have to say, you and your type of “progressiveness” (not all democrats or liberals, or progressive…. just your flavor of it), constantly reminds me of why he won…And might continue to win if your flavor keeps it up….

[FlyerInHi]

Flu, I have never been ideological. I believe in policies what work.

It’s the conservatives who are ideological. I’m just employing their own arguments when they work for me.

And no, you can’t blame me for Trump. Blame the deplorables who voted for him. The assbackward argument is that “perfectly reasonable people voted for Trump to spite the liberal elitists.” The deplorables have to take responsibility for their own guy.

[Ricechex]

Flyer-
I agree. They are damaging their own reputation. What is most disturbing is that Harvard is KNOWN to be reputable. This just sets some new low standards. If Harvard is doing this, what next?

When you need a triple bypass will you trust a Harvard educated doctor?

I will take the Asian educated doctors ANY DAY. They got their degrees FAIR and SQUARE. They are certainly more trustworthy then anyone that gets through a medical school based on an affirmative action policy. Achievement should not be based on race.

[FlyerInHi]

Ricechex, you can choose to trust or not trust Harvard.

But shouldn’t Harvard, a PRiVATE university be left alone to manage its own affairs? Kind of like NFL teams should be able to hire who they want. Ot Nike should be able to hire who they want. You don’t have to support their products.

If you know of a compelling reason the government should force Harvard to change admissions policy, then please state it. It’s not necessarily Black and Hispanics who will lose slots to make room for more Asians.

[quote=Ricechex] If Harvard is doing this, what next?
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Harvard has been doing this for a long time. It’s not new.

The question is if the government can do this, then what next? Should everything in life be based on academic record?
Should Google be forced to hire applicants with the best grades? (Assuming they are hiring applicants without pertinent work history, straight out of college). And should the government be involved in that?

[scaredyclassic]

the gov. should be involved in prohibiting negative action. harvard cant say, NO JEWS ALLOWED, like the old days.

if harvard allotted 70 perc of its slots in affirmative action for jews, then thered be 70 perc less spots for everyone else. even if its unclear who is affected by that 70 % , it feels disingenous to say negative action is wholly different than affirmative action. at least negative action is clear. affirmative action is covert.

yhat said, i am in favor of affirmative action.

[Coronita]

it’s pretty funny that all the articles about how affirmative action abolishment will affect university donations from alumni…..

https://www.propublica.org/article/affirmative-action-how-the-fight-against-at-harvard-could-threaten-rich-whites

“If preferences for black and Hispanic applicants are abolished, expect a backlash against admissions boosts for children of alumni and donors”….

Wrong, all itm means is the demographics of admissions would shift to those that fit the new system/criteria irrespective of color…..”

Second type of articles claim abolishing affirmative action would be determent all to minority rights. Wrong. It would be detrimental to some minorities that got in under a two criteria system. it would not be detrimental to those minorities that can get in normally. And it would definitely help those minorities that were held back because they aren’t considered minorities and quota limited.

Notice no mention of Asians anywhere in these articles… Things are only white and black….no consideration for yellow….How convenient…..

Point: What’s at Stake? Affirmative Action

Now consider this..Most Asians probably only care about the education unfairness institutionalized mainly by progressives. Things repeatedly challenged over and over again as far back ago 20 years+ by Asians, including me. Constantly falling on deaf ears from progressives… no hearing, no thought, no compromises from progressives….Same old policy or worse as the years progressed. Without reform, or a say, Id say there’s a pretty large body of pissed of people that would be glad to see this entire system torn down…and this is just over one issue … there’s countless other issues that that a lot more people are equally pissed off over all over the country, again unmet over decades. It finally boiled over….and what we ended up with is an extreme, ugly backlash of the status quo that is now known of the Trump Era… It’s pretty ugly, it’s pretty extreme… and it will undoubtedly undo a lot of changes bad OR good….but certainly, it shouldn’t be a surprise why this happened..
on as much if we stay on this extremity, in 10-15years, well end up violently swinging back to the far left….10-15 years is probably when another supreme court judge seat will be available…..

That’s what our country has become a violent swinging between far left and far right where anyone in the middle is perceived as weak, in part stirred up by the media for ratings. We deserve every bit of crap we are getting.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=flu]
That’s what our country has become a violent swinging between far left and far right where anyone in the middle is perceived as weak, in part stirred up by the media for ratings. We deserve every bit of crap we are getting.[/quote]

There is no swing to the left. Swing to the right, yes… and people in the middle have been complacent in accepting the extreme right narrative that there is symmetry between right and left. And you fell for it, flu.

Any political scientist would tell you that the whole world has been moving rightward.

There is nothing wrong with affirmative action. The narrative that unqualified applicants are given preferential treatment is false. In higher education, it’s more like 4.0 GPA vs. 3.8 GPA when a disadvantaged applicant with a compelling life story and is admitted.

Progressives understand nuances and want kindness and compassion in policy making. Right wingers make up stuff to rile up people.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]the gov. should be involved in prohibiting negative action. harvard cant say, NO JEWS ALLOWED, like the old days.

if harvard allotted 70 perc of its slots in affirmative action for jews, then thered be 70 perc less spots for everyone else. even if its unclear who is affected by that 70 % , it feels disingenous to say negative action is wholly different than affirmative action. at least negative action is clear. affirmative action is covert.

yhat said, i am in favor of affirmative action.[/quote]

Scaredy, as always, you’re the smartest guy in the room.

[scaredyclassic]

thanks but i have no idea what i just wrote.

or what the law is.

pretty sure its not completely upfront.

[outtamojo]

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/21/harvard-admissions-affirmative-action-221669

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