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May 21, 2007 at 12:06 AM #54024May 21, 2007 at 12:06 AM #54035PerryChaseParticipant
Some people I know bought a model home. To this day, they still have the glued down stuff — very tacky.
May 21, 2007 at 7:15 AM #54046BugsParticipantWhen a developer leases back a model home the lease rate is usually sufficient to cover the entire mortgage payment at 100%. In a good market a model home purchase/leaseback can be the ultimate flip. The property completely services its own debt, it is maintained professionally, and it is maxed out with all the upgrades and options imaginable, including the professional landscaping and yard improvements.
However, if the market goes soft between the time of purchase and the time the lease expires, such an arrangement can be a problem.
One example is what happened over at Bressi Ranch. An investment group bought 18 model homes from Lennar in early 2005, apparently at their retail pricing, which included all the options, upgrades and furniture. Lennar leased them all back while they finished building out their projects. When the leases were finished the LLC got the homes back.
Unfortunately for them by the tme they got the houses back the market had already gone from booming to squishy, and pricing had stabilized out. So they were sitting on 18 top-of-the-line homes, each of which had been priced $150,000 – $200,000 or more above the intial base pricing, but was now only about equal to the base pricing or perhaps only slightly higher.
This LLC was apparently successful in selling off a couple units right off the bat. Who knows, maybe a couple of partners decided to buy them. The other 16 were listed in the MLS for a while, with no success. As time wen’t on they started discounting the pricing but to no avail.
Finally the LLC ran an auction about 9 months ago. There was an article in the Union-Trib on it and a couple of our posters attended. To make a long story short, that auction failed miserably – lots of lookers and no serious buyers.
Since then the LLC has been selling one or two of these units off every month, at reduced prices that are generating outright losses of $50k and up, not counting brokerage fees or the mortgage payments they’ve had to pay while these homes langish on the market.
The last time I looked, there were still a couple of these listed in the MLS, and if the sell within their listing ranges they’ll generate $100,000 – $150,000 in overall losses by the time its all over.
Of the 7 residential “projects” at Bressi, 6 of them were built by Lennar. The 7th one was sold off by Lennar to Barratt, who bought the finished subdivision lots in 2005, apparently for about $500,000/lot. Barratt has been building 4,500 – 6,200 SqFt tract homes on these lots and selling them starting at $1,800,000 and up. I personally saw the appraisals on 3 of those sales, including one of the model homes. In the year that they’ve been selling those homes, it looks like Barratt has been able to sell off 9 of the units, including most or maybe all of the models. They still have another 15 to go, about 5 of which appear to be completed and just standing there.
Inasmuch as Barratt paid so much money for those lots they can’t really go smaller on their homes, They probably have a little room to drop pricing, but if they do so at this point the project will probably turn out to be a loser for them because of the length of time they’ve spent on it and the amount of carrying costs. By the time the model home leases are over I imagine those homes will be worth a lot less than their purchase prices.
The moral of the story is that a model home purchase with leaseback can turn out to be a bad move if the market isn’t booming and you don’t plan to live there when its over.
May 21, 2007 at 7:15 AM #54057BugsParticipantWhen a developer leases back a model home the lease rate is usually sufficient to cover the entire mortgage payment at 100%. In a good market a model home purchase/leaseback can be the ultimate flip. The property completely services its own debt, it is maintained professionally, and it is maxed out with all the upgrades and options imaginable, including the professional landscaping and yard improvements.
However, if the market goes soft between the time of purchase and the time the lease expires, such an arrangement can be a problem.
One example is what happened over at Bressi Ranch. An investment group bought 18 model homes from Lennar in early 2005, apparently at their retail pricing, which included all the options, upgrades and furniture. Lennar leased them all back while they finished building out their projects. When the leases were finished the LLC got the homes back.
Unfortunately for them by the tme they got the houses back the market had already gone from booming to squishy, and pricing had stabilized out. So they were sitting on 18 top-of-the-line homes, each of which had been priced $150,000 – $200,000 or more above the intial base pricing, but was now only about equal to the base pricing or perhaps only slightly higher.
This LLC was apparently successful in selling off a couple units right off the bat. Who knows, maybe a couple of partners decided to buy them. The other 16 were listed in the MLS for a while, with no success. As time wen’t on they started discounting the pricing but to no avail.
Finally the LLC ran an auction about 9 months ago. There was an article in the Union-Trib on it and a couple of our posters attended. To make a long story short, that auction failed miserably – lots of lookers and no serious buyers.
Since then the LLC has been selling one or two of these units off every month, at reduced prices that are generating outright losses of $50k and up, not counting brokerage fees or the mortgage payments they’ve had to pay while these homes langish on the market.
The last time I looked, there were still a couple of these listed in the MLS, and if the sell within their listing ranges they’ll generate $100,000 – $150,000 in overall losses by the time its all over.
Of the 7 residential “projects” at Bressi, 6 of them were built by Lennar. The 7th one was sold off by Lennar to Barratt, who bought the finished subdivision lots in 2005, apparently for about $500,000/lot. Barratt has been building 4,500 – 6,200 SqFt tract homes on these lots and selling them starting at $1,800,000 and up. I personally saw the appraisals on 3 of those sales, including one of the model homes. In the year that they’ve been selling those homes, it looks like Barratt has been able to sell off 9 of the units, including most or maybe all of the models. They still have another 15 to go, about 5 of which appear to be completed and just standing there.
Inasmuch as Barratt paid so much money for those lots they can’t really go smaller on their homes, They probably have a little room to drop pricing, but if they do so at this point the project will probably turn out to be a loser for them because of the length of time they’ve spent on it and the amount of carrying costs. By the time the model home leases are over I imagine those homes will be worth a lot less than their purchase prices.
The moral of the story is that a model home purchase with leaseback can turn out to be a bad move if the market isn’t booming and you don’t plan to live there when its over.
May 21, 2007 at 7:24 AM #54048Alex_angelParticipantIn anyones opinion, is this a little too premature to sell off the models when they are only in phase 3 out of 9. Does this sound like they have given up selling or is it typical for developments to do this so early in the selling?
May 21, 2007 at 7:24 AM #54059Alex_angelParticipantIn anyones opinion, is this a little too premature to sell off the models when they are only in phase 3 out of 9. Does this sound like they have given up selling or is it typical for developments to do this so early in the selling?
May 21, 2007 at 8:33 AM #54060BugsParticipantApparently it is the in thing to do these days. One thing that selling a model early in a project does for the project is it instantly provides a closed sale. Closed sales are of great value at the outset of a project because they set a price range for the project from the outset. That willing buyer pulling the trigger at that price is considered proof that their list prices are reasonable, and these inside sales comps are always given more weight overall than sales from outside the project. A closed model home sale will get used as a comparable sale in subsequent appraisals until it becomes too dated to use.
Of course, when using a model home an appraiser is supposed to take into consideration the effect on value of the furnishings and other non-realty property included with the sale as well as all the options and upgrades. The point remains that, beside reducing their carrying costs, selling model homes and then leasing them back for a year or two is almost all poisitive for a builder.
Seeing as how they’ve apparently already sold some homes in this particular project I guess the “closed sale” aspect doesn’t apply. But the “reduced standing inventory” argume still does apply.
May 21, 2007 at 8:33 AM #54071BugsParticipantApparently it is the in thing to do these days. One thing that selling a model early in a project does for the project is it instantly provides a closed sale. Closed sales are of great value at the outset of a project because they set a price range for the project from the outset. That willing buyer pulling the trigger at that price is considered proof that their list prices are reasonable, and these inside sales comps are always given more weight overall than sales from outside the project. A closed model home sale will get used as a comparable sale in subsequent appraisals until it becomes too dated to use.
Of course, when using a model home an appraiser is supposed to take into consideration the effect on value of the furnishings and other non-realty property included with the sale as well as all the options and upgrades. The point remains that, beside reducing their carrying costs, selling model homes and then leasing them back for a year or two is almost all poisitive for a builder.
Seeing as how they’ve apparently already sold some homes in this particular project I guess the “closed sale” aspect doesn’t apply. But the “reduced standing inventory” argume still does apply.
May 21, 2007 at 8:52 AM #54066Alex_angelParticipantThe models sure are nice to say the least. I wonder if the furniture comes with it or is it just the upgrades such as the applicances, fixtures, blacony , back yard etc….
May 21, 2007 at 8:52 AM #54077Alex_angelParticipantThe models sure are nice to say the least. I wonder if the furniture comes with it or is it just the upgrades such as the applicances, fixtures, blacony , back yard etc….
May 21, 2007 at 12:32 PM #54129gnParticipantBelow are the articles about the Bressi Ranch flips that Bugs mentioned. The partners of the LLC are lawyers. Since it’s an LLC, I wonder if they can shutdown the LLC & leave the lenders holding the bag.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061022/news_1mi22auction.html
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061022/news_2m22auction.htmlMay 21, 2007 at 12:32 PM #54142gnParticipantBelow are the articles about the Bressi Ranch flips that Bugs mentioned. The partners of the LLC are lawyers. Since it’s an LLC, I wonder if they can shutdown the LLC & leave the lenders holding the bag.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061022/news_1mi22auction.html
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061022/news_2m22auction.htmlMay 21, 2007 at 12:43 PM #54131BugsParticipantYou would normally buy a model home because the total package appeals to you. You want to live the lifestyle they portray in their marketing materials.
Model homes are USUALLY sold with all the furniture, artwork, rugs, fans, shutters, TVs, etc, in place. Once in a while the big pieces of furniture are moved out just because the buyers flat-out don’t want them.
May 21, 2007 at 12:43 PM #54144BugsParticipantYou would normally buy a model home because the total package appeals to you. You want to live the lifestyle they portray in their marketing materials.
Model homes are USUALLY sold with all the furniture, artwork, rugs, fans, shutters, TVs, etc, in place. Once in a while the big pieces of furniture are moved out just because the buyers flat-out don’t want them.
May 30, 2007 at 12:06 PM #55538Alex_angelParticipantAll 3 models sold in under a week. Seems the market is not that dead.
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