18 Iraqi brigades?

[sdnativeson]

Well we will never win a war by trying to not lose it.

How atypical of our state of politics and illuminating the (low) caliber of our politicians, putting their own political well being before such a critical issue.

How sad that so many here buy into that mentality and start gloating over who catches the fallout of the blame game.
Who, what and how much are you willing to sacrifice for the opportunity to be able to label Bush, Rove, Republicans(!) “neocons” as those who are evil, stupid, war-mongering etc. etc. in the annals of history? to be able to crow “I/we
was/were right and you were wrong?

I am sure that when I to step into harms way, you will be right BEHIND me. When you strip my corpse, consider the courtesy to send my wedding ring to my wife.

Here’s a link I like to visit;

http://www.michaelyon-online.com/

[NeetaT]

I believe in a bellicose nation; a nation that takes the fight to the enemy and subjugates that enemy. I believe we should send 200,000 more troops including me to the fight. What a weak nation we have become. I can’t believe our nation doesn’t harbor more people with my attitude. I guess most people have an insouciant attitude towards attacks on our nation.

[PerryChase]

It’ll probably take 500,000 soldiers in Iraq and and outright colonisation of the country to “win.” A return of the draft would kill the war efforts in a minute.

As Zbigniew Brzezinski (a foreign policy hawk) said, “the fact is, the American effort in Iraq is essentially a colonial effort. We’re waging a colonial war. We live in the post-colonial era. This war cannot be won because it is simply out of sync with historical times.”

[sdnativeson]

LOL ZB? I wouldn’t use much of his deeds/words to validate my position. I didn’t care for him when he worked for Carter and even less now. I guess short-sightedness transcends party lines eh?. I’ll add, I don’t see the definition of colonialism applying to our presence it Iraq. As you can see, he either won’t or can’t see what’s happening.

Brzezinski’s Interview with Le Nouvel Observateur

Le Nouvel Observateur: Former CIA director Robert Gates states in his memoirs: The American secret services began six months before the Soviet intervention to support the Mujahideen [in Afghanistan]. At that time you were president Carters security advisor; thus you played a key role in this affair. Do you confirm this statement?

Zbigniew Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version, the CIA’s support for the Mujahideen began in 1980, i.e. after the Soviet army’s invasion of Afghanistan on 24 December 1979. But the reality, which was kept secret until today, is completely different: Actually it was on 3 July 1979 that president Carter signed the first directive for the secret support of the opposition against the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And on the same day I wrote a note, in which I explained to the president that this support would in my opinion lead to a military intervention by the Soviets.

Le Nouvel Observateur: Despite this risk you were a supporter of this covert action? But perhaps you expected the Soviets to enter this war and tried to provoke it?

Zbigniew Brzezinski: It’s not exactly like that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene but we knowingly increased the probability that they would do it.

Le Nouvel Observateur: When the Soviets justified their intervention with the statement that they were fighting against a secret US interference in Afghanistan, nobody believed them. Nevertheless there was a core of truth to this…Do you regret nothing today?

Zbigniew Brzezinski: Regret what? This secret operation was an excellent idea. It lured the Russians into the Afghan trap, and you would like me to regret that? On the day when the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote president Carter, in essence: “We now have the opportunity to provide the USSR with their Viet Nam war.” Indeed for ten years Moscow had to conduct a war that was intolerable for the regime, a conflict which involved the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet Empire.

Le Nouvel Observateur: And also, don’t you regret having helped future terrorists, having given them weapons and advice?

Zbigniew Brzezinski: What is most important for world history? The Taliban or the fall of the Soviet Empire? Some Islamic hotheads or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

Le Nouvel Observateur: “Some hotheads?” But it has been said time and time again: today Islamic fundamentalism represents a world-wide threat…

Zbigniew Brzezinski: Rubbish! It’s said that the West has a global policy regarding Islam. That’s hogwash: there is no global Islam. Let’s look at Islam in a rational and not a demagogic or emotional way. It is the first world religion with 1.5 billion adherents. But what is there in common between fundamentalist Saudi Arabia, moderate Morocco, militaristic Pakistan, pro-Western Egypt and secularized Central Asia? Nothing more than that which connects the Christian countries…

[blahblahblah]

Al Qaeda’s goal has always been to goad the US into an expensive occupation and foreign war. They want to bog down and bankrupt the US in Iraq just like they bogged down and bankrupted the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. Their gameplan is exactly the same as it was then, and so far we’ve let them rope-a-dope us just like they did the Soviets. Bin Laden has even stated this publicly, but we’re all too busy watching “American Idol” and “Saw II” to listen.

Now back to sleep everyone. Ignorance is strength. Freedom is Slavery. War is Peace.

[SHILOH]

Using adjectives..name calling, creates emotion. Passion is good but still, solutions and action are required. What I’d like to hear is some real solutions…rather than accusing your target as being “dillusional.” Can you offer a solution other than sitting back, doing nothing and speculting on what’s been done? Can anyone offer a strategy to proactively intercept the kind of terrorism that hit 9/11? Or do you believe Bush is responsible for 9/11 too?

[PD]

Some observations from posts on this thread and the Obama thread:

Americans who root for failure in Iraq because they want egg on the face of republicans are a disgusting group. A true patriot would only want outcomes that strengthen our nation, not those that weaken the nation but give their political party leverage.

Carl Rove didn’t invent a new book of political tactics. Politics is and has always been a cutthroat business. I’m sure Caesar didn’t think the people stabbing him were just being nice.

I’m not buying into the “poor wittle democrats” theme who have been too busy cowering to stand up to the big bad meanie-weanie Republicans.

Lots of people here spout condemnation for partisan politics yet are extremely partisan themselves and wear big blinders. It amazes me that anyone would delude themselves into thinking that Obama would not be a partisan president even though his record (hard and fast proof of how he operates) says otherwise. But wait! He SAYS he won’t be partisan.

I bet a healthy number of soldiers killed in Iraq would not be pleased by people using them to beat an anti-war drum. What would Cindy Sheehan’s son really think about how his mother and the Democratic party have used him to further their cause? Cindy Sheehan’s husband of 28 years filed for divorce one week after she set up camp outside Bush’s ranch. How does he feel about what she is doing?

[sdnativeson]

lostkitty, no, you attempted to use their misfortune to validate your argument. “Just ask” remember? That implies that they would for all intent and purposes support your opinion. I put no words in your mouth.

As far as the results of our current response, it’s purely hypothetical that the casualties are FAR larger than some other type of response. You don’t know that, no one does.

[blahblahblah]

Cindy Sheehan’s husband of 28 years filed for divorce one week after she set up camp outside Bush’s ranch.

Of course he dumped her. How the hell is she gonna cook his dinner, fetch his beer, and wash his clothes if she’s in Crawford?

Pa dum pum! Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen, I’ll be here all week! Tip your waitresses…

[sdnativeson]

LOL

[PD]

I recently told my 10 year-old son that I was going to teach him how to cook. His perplexed response was, “Why? Men don’t cook.” 🙁

[Anonymous]

PD, you are raising your son well!

As you know, sons can learn: our 11 year old whipped up some scrambled eggs and sausage for himself Monday morning.

Frightening, those comments by Z B–. Amazing. Thanks for the post, sns.

lk, what branch of the service is your husband in? French Army?

[lostkitty]

sdnaivesob-

And what was I ‘implying’ that they would agree with – in your mind?

Please elaborate.

I was talking exclusively about the numbers and what they represent…. an INCREASED risk of being killed or maimed by terrorists since 9/11.

Is it getting better? Are we getting it under control?
Is there less risk today? Are we safer? Do you feel safer?

[PD]

Really? Please provide links to terrorist attacks that have occurred within US borders since 9/11. I’m interested in these numbers.

[Anonymous]

lk, that’s a hilarious play on sns’ ‘handle.’ You libs do have a sense of humor, sometimes.

I don’t feel safer. I feel really, really irritated, mostly at Bush.

Build the Mexican wall. Find the terrorists in our midst and jail them. Take off the gloves in Iraq and kill the Sunni militiamen and Al Qaeda operatives. Use national (e.g., Syria) and demographic (e.g., young males) characteristics to screen airline passengers. To hell with what the UN or Europe or ACLU think.

Fight as Lincoln’s general fought. Fight as Roosevelt’s generals and admirals fought.

Only then will I feel safer.

History lesson for you products of government schools: in times of war, the Roman Senate elected a ‘Dictator,’ to serve for one year, with absolute power of life and death.

We don’t need a dictator, today, but suspension of habeas corpus, herding up suspects in camps, etc. were tactics used on the homefront in the Roman Republic, and American Republic, in times of war. Use ’em to find the A-Qaeda operatives here stateside and so that Perry ‘can feel the sacrifice’ that he’s been missing to-date.

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