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  • May 26, 2014 at 6:39 AM #21094
    scaredyclassic
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    was up late at night reading the entire 140 page memoir/manifesto of the 22 year old santa barbara shooter. I would expect most people are sick alreadyof shootings and manifestoes, but..this one is different, kind of…especially if you’re a the level of social isolation and pain this kid felt, his incredible attachment to material goods and nice cars, his beleif in how that would save him from a life of loneliness, his parents effortsto help this troubled kid, the way other people’s statements to him hurt him so badly, the fixation he had on sexuality in a sex drenched culture, the way he could not relate to others…

    well…it’s enough to make you wonder just how much pain other people, especially your own kids are feeling at any given moment, and whether they ar ejust masking an incredible desperation….

    truly an interesting read…

    May 26, 2014 at 8:19 AM #774305
    Coronita
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    Happy Memorial Day everyone, in honor of our veterans that served and sacrificed for our country, past , present ,and the future….

    (If I didn’t remember, I wouldn’t know about it from CNN’s top story….I don’t expect anything more though, from CNN…. 🙁 )

    May 26, 2014 at 10:37 AM #774309
    FlyerInHi
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    hard to believe the guy felt rejected.

    He was goodlooking (better than average for sure), from a good family and had everything.

    I wish I had a BMW in college. My life would have been more fun.

    May 26, 2014 at 10:56 AM #774311
    NotCranky
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    How do you know he came from a good family, you are joking again, right?
    Who taught him to have such a screwed up value system?

    May 26, 2014 at 10:58 AM #774312
    SK in CV
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    He didn’t have a screwed up value system. He had a screwed up brain. Perfect parenting wouldn’t have fixed that.

    May 26, 2014 at 11:06 AM #774313
    NotCranky
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    [quote=SK in CV]He didn’t have a screwed up value system. He had a screwed up brain. Perfect parenting wouldn’t have fixed that.[/quote]

    Having to have the hottest girls or hate them is a value system. Something I have already taught my boys not to embrace. My boys may be crazy as hell when they grow up but the normal thing won’t be to go kill girls they can’t have .

    Screwed up value system is written all over this kid. Good family isn’t necessarily unless you are in bizarro mundo where money equals good family.

    May 26, 2014 at 11:09 AM #774314
    SK in CV
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    [quote=Blogstar][quote=SK in CV]He didn’t have a screwed up value system. He had a screwed up brain. Perfect parenting wouldn’t have fixed that.[/quote]

    Having to have the hottest girls or hate them is a value system. Something I have already taught my boys not to embrace. My boys may be crazy as hell when they grow up but the normal thing won’t be to go kill girls they can’t have .[/quote]

    But your boys probably aren’t anywhere near as crazy as this kid was. That’s the point. He was broken. Possibly beyond repair. It wasn’t bad parenting. He didn’t need better parenting. He had a brain that did not function correctly. That may very well have been well beyond the fixes that current mental health care has available.

    May 26, 2014 at 11:34 AM #774315
    NotCranky
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    [quote=SK in CV][quote=Blogstar][quote=SK in CV]He didn’t have a screwed up value system. He had a screwed up brain. Perfect parenting wouldn’t have fixed that.[/quote]

    Having to have the hottest girls or hate them is a value system. Something I have already taught my boys not to embrace. My boys may be crazy as hell when they grow up but the normal thing won’t be to go kill girls they can’t have .[/quote]

    But your boys probably aren’t anywhere near as crazy as this kid was. That’s the point. He was broken. Possibly beyond repair. It wasn’t bad parenting. He didn’t need better parenting. He had a brain that did not function correctly. That may very well have been well beyond the fixes that current mental health care has available.[/quote]

    May 26, 2014 at 11:38 AM #774316
    NotCranky
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    The statement was the he came from a “good Family” how does anyone know?
    If I knew my kids had a really fucked up brain I might not put his spoiled little ass in a BMER and send him off to college where he can suffer and fuck some people up. Denial runs in good families, I guess.

    May 26, 2014 at 11:43 AM #774317
    SK in CV
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    [quote=Blogstar]The statement was the he came from a “good Family” how does anyone know?
    If I knew my kids had a really fucked up brain I might not put his spoiled little ass in a BMER and send him off to college where he can suffer and fuck some people up. Denial runs in good families, I guess.[/quote]

    maybe they should have bought him an old pinto. Or send him to school to become a hair stylist. I wonder if that would have made it all better. No, actually I don’t.

    May 26, 2014 at 11:48 AM #774319
    joec
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    The problem is probably where/how he grew up, everyone around him probably had BMWs/Audi’s, etc…

    Sorta like how everyone has a smart phone now and pity the kid who has to go to school known as the “poor” kid without a phone (or iPhone), certain clothes, needs low income lunch, etc…

    It takes a certain level of maturity (or simply being married with kids or OLD) to not “care” what members of the opposite sex think about us or what anyone thinks about us in general.

    Now I understand why old people dress so funny and don’t seem to care since I’m one of them.

    I read the kid was the son of the director of hunger games so I’d assume he wasn’t poor at least, whether that’s “good” or not can’t be measured…

    May 26, 2014 at 11:48 AM #774318
    NotCranky
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    [quote=SK in CV][quote=Blogstar]The statement was the he came from a “good Family” how does anyone know?
    If I knew my kids had a really fucked up brain I might not put his spoiled little ass in a BMER and send him off to college where he can suffer and fuck some people up. Denial runs in good families, I guess.[/quote]

    maybe they should have bought him an old pinto. Or send him to school to become a hair stylist. I wonder if that would have made it all better. No, actually I don’t.[/quote]
    I guess you want it all black or white don’t you? Only brain ,no values or family.
    What a cop out.

    May 26, 2014 at 11:50 AM #774320
    NotCranky
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    If the father is the director of hunger games how can anyone rule out fucked up family and low values?

    May 26, 2014 at 12:08 PM #774322
    Coronita
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    I love the CNN headlines.

    [img_assist|nid=18093|title=CNN…Con news network…|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400]

    Aside from the fact that today is memorial day, and we should be honoring our fallen soldiers as page 1 on news IMHO. I love how CNN decides to say

    “Roommates and a ‘really great kid'”….

    I guess the roommates weren’t “really great kids” too….

    CNN is a cesspool these days….. Grabbie grabbie headliners for ratings…. That’s about it…

    BBC/NPR both are way better….

    May 26, 2014 at 12:10 PM #774324
    SK in CV
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    [quote=Blogstar]
    I guess you want it all black or white don’t you? Only brain ,no values or family.
    What a cop out.[/quote]

    I don’t think any of it is black and white. Mental illness is complicated, and it can affect people irrespective of parenting and environment. And sometimes there are neither things that could have been differently nor solutions.

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