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Participant[quote=Hobie]Timeout. The dude was creepy. Conflicted metrosexual. Pussy. Broken brain is it, can’t be fixed.
Don’t jump to the wrong conclusion here but when a racehourse breaks it’s leg it is understood nothing can fix it.
Mental illness runs the gamut and I’ll bet this guy was high functioning enough to even pass a 72 hour psych hold. Can’t lock someone up for being anti-social, nor take his guns. Scarlett letter perhaps?/
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He was creepy, a pussy, and maybe a conflicted metrosexual. You’re an asshole. Should we shoot you, too?
Participant[quote=spdrun]By the accounts I read, he didn’t even try to socialize, but was rather actively anti-social. I wonder if the rejection was all in his head, and if he didn’t ever even try to get a date.[/quote]
The rejection was not all in his head. Some of it was. But not all of it.
The actively anti-social part came later in his life. According to his autobiography (I don’t think it’s really a manifesto), anyway.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]
but that’s not the way guy society is.[/quote]
Well, that’s certainly not the way American guy society is. Not sure that’s universal.
Participant[quote=CA renter]
Asperger’s certainly didn’t help his cause, either.
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All of these mass murderers were socially inept: Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook, Columbine, the Colorado movie theater, and UCSB. Many others, as well.
Some kids are weak at math. Some kids are weak at social skills. If a kid has weak math skills, he gets a tutor or, at worst, bad grades. If he has weak social skills, he gets bullied, ostracized, mocked, and maybe beaten up if he’s a boy or talked about ruinously behind her back if she’s a girl.
Obviously weak social skills are not the only factor here. But they are common to the above mass murders. That is not a coincidence. I honestly think that if society treated the socially inept less poorly, none of those crimes would’ve happened.
As long as we continue to act like this as a society, these crimes will continue.
Participant[quote=Blogstar]
Having to have the hottest girls or hate them is a value system. [/quote]I don’t agree with that. A value system says, “I value hot girls.” It might also say, “If I don’t have them, I’ll be miserable.” Having to have them or hate them is, IMHO, not a value system, but rather an inability to cope with not getting what you want. I see that as a personality flaw, not a value-system flaw.
Do you think his dad taught him, “If you can’t have hot girls, then hate them”?
You seem a bit upset at the attribution of his violence to mental illness. It seems that what upsets you is the reflexive assumption that he has mental illness and your perception that the parents aren’t being given any blame. But I don’t think that saying he has mental illness immediately and completely absolves the parents of any blame.
In watching his video and reading his manifesto (I’m only on page 40), he seems to have a very strong sense of entitlement. This, to me, seems to be at the root of the problem. Where does that sense of entitlement come from? It seems to have been so strong from such an early age that it’s hard to completely pin it on the parents.
Anybody with more than one kid knows that they come into the world different from each other. Isn’t it possible that some come into the world so different that no amount of parenting will save them? And isn’t it possible that some people come into the world such that only massive, super-high-quality intervention will save them? And then all the way up the spectrum to a genetic makeup such that only a really bad upbringing will ruin them and even to nothing can really turn them bad? And can parents of the only-saved-by-massive-intervention kids really be blamed if they tried their best and their kids turned out killers anyway?
Your three kids are all different from each other, as you’ve said. But they’re different in normal ways. I think that’s more luck than you realize it is. You’re teaching them to deal with life given their own unique personalities. That’s what good parents do. But I get the feeling that you aren’t really willing to accept the probability that some kids are just born f’d up beyond repair, or beyond the abilities of their parents to repair.
Participant[quote=Blogstar]
If I knew my kids had a really fucked up brain I might not put his spoiled little ass in a BMER and send him off to college where he can suffer and fuck some people up. Denial runs in good families, I guess.[/quote]Some of the time, Russ, you seem to be saying that we shouldn’t blame it on his brain, and here you seem to be saying that it’s possible that his brain was f’d up, and the parents screwed up by sending him off to college where he could be a danger.
I’m curious about your opinion on mental illness. Do you deny that it exists, or do you deny that it could be at least partially genetic, or do you deny neither? I’d like to engage you in a discussion on the topic, but knowing your opinion on this is essential to starting it.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]
You’re actually cleaner when you shower in hard water.
http://chemistry.about.com/od/howthingsworkfaqs/a/softwaterrinse.htm[/quote]
Yeah, not buying it.
http://water.usgs.gov/edu/qa-chemical-soap.html
My skin is significantly less dry and irritated when I use soft water.
Participant[quote=spdrun]
Allows a driver to legally register, smog, and insure their car against any mayhem that may be caused by it, for one thing.[/quote]
I’m not saying they shouldn’t be allowed to own a car and drive. But they aren’t. They aren’t allowed to be here at all. It seems very inconsistent to spend millions chasing them through the desert, where many of them die, but, when they make it through, say, “ok, you made it. Good on ya. Welcome to the USA. Here’s your driver license. Have a good day. Off you go.” I mean, if we’re going to welcome them here, let’s let them in. If we’re not going to let them in, let’s deport when we find them.
[quote=spdrun]
The “it’s only a phone call” argument doesn’t hold water. Ordering an action is morally the same as being a participant. I mean, if you called up your uncle Vinny and told him to break my kneecaps, would “it’s only a phone call” defend you against charges of assault and battery?[/quote]I wasn’t implying that “it’s only a phone call” defends against moral responsibility. Yes, they would share moral responsibility, but the “moral” aspect of who is responsible for detaining and deporting the illegal immigrant is not the point. You said, “local police deporting illegals on sight doesn’t necessarily serve law enforcement purposes.” I assumed you meant as opposed to ICE deporting them, and that you thought that was a problem primarily for logistical reasons. ICE obviously wants to deport illegal aliens. Otherwise, why would ICE be doing that as part of their daily operation? So deporting them, it would seem to me, would serve law enforcement purposes. My assumption that you thought “local police deporting illegals on sight doesn’t necessarily serve law enforcement purposes” was for logistical reasons has been shown incorrect. So now I ask, why would you say that deporting them wouldn’t serve law enforcement purposes?
There are plenty of arguments on both sides of let them in/don’t let them in. I think they’re an important part of our economy, and the laws need to be changed in some way. I’m just not sure ignoring some laws is the way to go about fixing things.
Or maybe it is. Maybe that’s the answer to my original question. Maybe ignoring the law in this case is easier/faster/works better than changing the laws. Maybe we really want them here, but politicians can’t admit that to the voters. So we make “them being here” work by ignoring some laws (such as the law that prohibits them from being here) sometimes, but not other times.
ParticipantYou can easily install your water softener to serve only your house and not your sprinklers (that’s how it’s usually done), thus retaining the ability to water your yard.
It does add salt to your tap water, so an RO system to remove the salt is a good idea if you have a softener. Especially if you’re on a salt-restricted diet. I think an RO system is a good idea whether you have a water softener or not. You don’t need a whole-house RO system, just one at the kitchen sink works for us.
Participant[quote=spdrun]Driver’s license is a license to drive, not a license to live in the US.[/quote]
That’s like saying, don’t arrest a fugitive (say he’s wanted for grand theft) when he applies for a hunting license because a hunting license is a license to hunt, not a license to commit grand theft. He’s standing right there. He’s wanted for a crime. Arrest him.
[quote=spdrun]
Better to control driving than to have a large % of people driving around without a license.
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Why? What does having a license do?[quote=spdrun]
Also, local police deporting illegals on sight doesn’t necessarily serve law enforcement purposes.
[/quote]Local police wouldn’t deport them. ICE would. It’s a phone call, and it seems to me that would be easier than chasing them through the desert. ‘Course they wouldn’t show up at the DMV if that were the case.
[quote=spdrun]
If illegals know that they’ll be auto deported, they will avoid the police, thus hindering investigation into more severe, more violent crimes.[/quote]What? How will avoiding going to the DMV hinder investigation into violent crimes?
Participant[quote=CA renter]
Americans tend to be some of the worst when it comes to feeling any kind of duty toward their parents.[/quote]I agree, and I think Americans are among the worst when it comes to respecting old people in general. In a lot of cultures, age is equated with wisdom. In America, it’s generally equated with being used up and being not worth paying attention to.
I’m not sure old people necessarily deserve to be revered, but they certainly don’t deserve to be ignored.
ParticipantIf you don’t mind the extra cleaning, that definitely reduces your need for a water softener. But the thing I like the most about a water softener is that soft water is much easier on my skin. I don’t like walking around with soap scum on me, which is uncomfortable and seems to dry my skin, especially on my face.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]Hi krowe! Welcome!
I do have a few questions
1. G-d. Actually exists or just pretend?
2. Afterlife. Yes or no?
3. Ballpark estimate on gold price 12/31/14
4. Housing prices. Near term peak?[/quote]Yeah, and when will the Cubs win the World Series?
And, life’s other great mystery (it even had Freud stumped): What do women want? Oh, wait, you already answered that one.
Participant[quote=kcal09]Thank you! How about installation and maintenance? Can it be done without an installer?[/quote]
I had a plumber put mine in. I don’t remember how much he charged me, but it was less than a hundred bucks. 50 or 75, I think. I have his number, if you want to pm me. He’s a bit cranky, but he does good work and cheap.
He had to use a torch and stuff like that. I don’t know plumbing, and he was cheap, so I had him do it. There also needs to be a place for the discharge water to go. I think most water softeners would be a similar installation, but I don’t really know.
As far as maintenance, there really is none. If you buy the clean salt, anyway. It “refreshes” (or something like that) automatically.
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