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Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]
Shrooms are too short and gentle for the task at hand. Steve Jobs recommends LSD.
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Steve Jobs is (was) a wild man. Acid is definitely a couple notches up from shrooms on the intensity scale. I’m no Steve Jobs, but I think shrooms are enough for most people. Start off with a low dose and work your way up.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=zk][quote=FlyerInHi] I’ve never had the urge to try any kind of drug. [/quote]
Reminds me of the old joke, “Reality is for people who can’t handle drugs.”[/quote]
I honestly believe drugs improved my life.[/quote]
I don’t know if they’ve improved my life significantly, but some of my fondest memories of my pre-fatherhood days are of doing mushrooms. Great fun. Very connected to…everything and everyone. Just brilliant, really.
Obviously you want to stay away from meth and coke. Some people are in great danger of getting horribly addicted the very first time they take meth or freebase coke. Alcohol and opiates are dangerous, too. Marijuana? Might make you lazy and you shouldn’t drive, but it’s fun and it probably won’t kill you. Psychedelics? I think they’re pretty good stuff. LSD can last too long. Shrooms are…great.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi] I’ve never had the urge to try any kind of drug. [/quote]
Reminds me of the old joke, “Reality is for people who can’t handle drugs.”
Participant[quote=Blogstar]
This guy was exposed to the worst of it the justifications when he was that tender sprout scaredy mentioned. Death of of other was basically mocked in the mainstream for years. Add that to the love of violence in entertainment and toys. Filters could easily get broken.…
Treating the nurturing of children and killing people like they are joking matters is not good.[/quote]
I agree. Our violence-loving culture no doubt contributes to the level of violence in this country. Our society thinks a child seeing a woman’s nipple (not allowed) is worse for the him than outrageously violent video games where mass murder is the object (allowed).
wtf?
Participant[quote=Blogstar]I know it is tasteless to attach blame his parents and it is going to infuriate a lot of people if one does that. Trust me I am not likely to go public and stand my ground to mobs of random people. Probably get killed for it.[/quote]
Taste has nothing to do with it. And I don’t see anyone furious. I just see some people who disagree. And given a lack of sound reasoning or evidence backing your position, why wouldn’t they?
Participant[quote=Blogstar]Are you done critiquing the many flaws in my two sentence post now?
1 ” I agree with that summary”
2 ‘ The boy had a terrible upbringing”
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My critiques were with those two sentences, their relation to your previous arguments, and to your subsequent arguments.
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Yes, Good I am glad that’s over.
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If this is all too much for you, perhaps you should change your handle.
Participant[quote=Blogstar]When something is so self evident , like a rock falling on your head, inference is not such a bad thing. Given that ubringing is at least one undeniable component, I find the defensiveness interesting….moreover, it just seem like you woke up on the wrong side of the bed, or something, so I forgive you.[/quote]
Thanks, but I don’t need your forgiveness.
You see controlling and crankiness and defensiveness where there is none. I’m merely pointing out the numerous flaws in your arguments.
Yes, it is self evident that upbringing is one undeniable component. But your argument seems to be that it’s the chief component. That is not only not self-evident, but you’ve shown no good evidence or logic for that argument at all. All I’m doing is pointing out that lack of evidence and logic.
Participant[quote=Blogstar]It’s a free thread so I can take a stand right? I don’t agree it’s all “emotion” but there is some of that. Would some passion on an issue be O.K.? But if I am too emotional for you, just ignore me. Either that or give me a list of things it is and isn’t o.k. to take a stand on. [/quote]
You should’ve stuck with “whatever.” ‘Cause that passive-aggressive bs about a list is worse than “whatever.”
It’s not your emotion that bothers me, it’s your lack of reason. I have no problem with passion, until it gets in the way of reason. Then I do have a problem with it. Passion without reason can be a very dangerous thing.
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Am I wrong or are you just being kind of controlling?
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You’re wrong. Again. But I am very curious how you came to that conclusion.
[quote=Blogstar]I am free to infer from where the mentally very bad comes from and I am doing that . [/quote]
You can infer it came from aliens, but if you have no evidence, it’s not very persuasive.
Participant[quote=Blogstar]Yes I am taking a stand on upbringing.
[/quote]Well, that right there says that you’re emotional about it. And it seems your emotion is getting in the way of a clear assessment of the situation.
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I disagree that the article says nothing about that. It says everything about it. The kid was mentally very bad on every single difficult item with life and american culture the article covers that. His upbringing didn’t to a very terrible degree. [/quote]The article says he was “mentally very bad.” It doesn’t say why. It doesn’t say that his upbringing didn’t cover it. How do you know his upbringing “didn’t [cover it] to a very terrible degree?” Where are you getting that information from?
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Besides that the topic of this thread is “Parenting and the Santa Barbara Shooter”
I am just staying on topic.[/quote]I’m all for staying on topic. But just because the topic of this thread is “Parenting and the Santa Barbara Shooter” doesn’t mean that that’s what the article was about.
Participant[quote=Blogstar][quote=scaredyclassic]http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80422119/
good summary of why the rodger memoir is compelling and meaningful…[/quote]
I agree with that summary. The boy had a terrible upbringing.[/quote]
That seems like a non sequitur. That summary didn’t say he had a terrible upbringing.
You seem fixated on his upbringing. Yes, his upbringing was far from perfect. But I’d say it was far from “terrible” also. I don’t think his upbringing was that much different from millions of other Americans. Which is to say not good, but not terrible, and maybe not as protected from all the “poison pill[s] our culture could throw at him” as it could and should have been.
His problems were a combination of his inborn mental issues, his upbringing, and our culture. To blame it all or even mostly on his upbringing seems, to me, to ignore the evidence and show a preexisting bias toward blaming it on his upbringing.
I think the clearest evidence of your bias is that you could read that article and somehow infer that it said he had a terrible upbringing. The article says almost nothing at all about his upbringing.
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Participant[quote=Rich Toscano]
The difference being that Hatfield and I weren’t pointing and laughing at you in specific… ;-)[/quote]
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When this happens, I always assume the joke was on me.[/quote]Yeah, when I hear, “[chinese chinese chinese] ha ha.” That’s ok.
Or “[chinese chinese chinese] zk.” That’s ok.
But if I hear “[chinese chinese chinese] zk. hahaha,” Now I’m wondering what’s going on.
Participant[quote=Rich Toscano]Glad someone finally found a use for recursion…[/quote]
[quote=Hatfield]Hahahahaha. [/quote]
Huh. That was just like when my wife’s family is over, and I’m listening but they’re speaking Chinese, and suddenly they all laugh.
Participant[quote=Blogstar]The guy had a complete lack of desire, skill and training in using his will constructively. Nobody talks about the guys will and direction. He is no different than the people who beat Reginald Denny or Loot and Riot and burn their own neighborhoods. His class/life experience just puts a different spin on it. We just can’t admit that it is us too.
Part of raising children is teaching them the correct use of their will. It’s hard and you have extreme cases of lack of training or abuse to the point of confusing people about even using the will properly or having one to use at all. People may be stronger and weaker and that makes it even more dangerous, but still in all cases you have to look at this aspect and we don’t. Our culture is trash in a lot of ways life is fricken hard whether you have money or not and just having money doesn’t mean kids should not be taught mental health through training their wills. Kids are exposed to so much soul pollution now the have to be stronger and we want them weaker evidently, No different than the physical, use it or loose it and this guy never used it and there is a lot of that going around.
He wasn’t especially mentally ill he was especially weak and untrained for whatever reason.
Yes fix some of this and it will help with the gun problem, The suicide problem, the depression problem and the drug problem.[/quote]
Ok, but “fix some of this” how? If we could legislate good parenting, we could fix all kinds of problems. But we wouldn’t be a free country anymore. Education programs for parents? They’d have to be optional, and only those who want to put effort into their parenting would take them, so that wouldn’t solve much, as those parents aren’t the problem. Stop blaming mental illness? Wouldn’t change a thing, IMHO. Parents who don’t have the time/attitude/aptitude/concern/work ethic to be good parents will find something besides themselves to blame.
Bad parents will always exist, and they’ll be especially numerous, if you ask me, in a culture that glamorizes violence and personal gain, minimizes the importance of personal responsibility and work ethic, and focuses on the shallow.
The only way to fix the problem you’re talking about is, in my opinion, to change our culture. And good luck with that.
I’m not sure how you can claim “he wasn’t especially mentally ill.” There are lots of actual mentally ill people in this country, and that’s not going to change anytime soon. As I’ve said repeatedly before on this forum, our country fails to do anywhere near enough for them. This is just one more manifestation of that failure.
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