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Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]I just observed a most masterful political move.
Just about when more and more Republicans are about to repudiate Trump, yesterday, Obama told Republicans to denounce Trump. Now they can’t do it because that would mean following Obama. He made the first move and blocked them
That move could be to trap other republicans into being dragged down by Trump, as I believe you’re suggesting.
It could also be because he thinks that if enough republicans stop supporting Trump, either he’ll drop out or the republicans will find a way to replace him:
If Trump drops out or otherwise gets replaced, there’s a whole country full of people who have been lamenting their choices, and who might jump at the chance to vote for a Kasich or a Ryan or a Romney. I would guess any of those guys probably beats Clinton right now, and the democrats probably don’t want to take the chance of having to beat somebody besides Trump.
I think it’s kinda funny that the right-wing noise machine has been attacking Clinton for 20+ years (most likely because they knew she’d be running for president one day), and that she’ll win anyway, largely because she’s facing a horrible candidate that the right-wing noise machine inadvertently created. Funny and also beautiful. Poetic, even.
Participant[[email protected]]Noticed that this house on Dixie sold for $1.795M only a year after they purchased for $1.467M as a foreclosure. Didn’t look like they did any significant renovations. Even in this hot market, $300K+ for not doing much work seems pretty sweet![/quote]
Minus $90,000 in realtor commissions, if you paid 5%.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]
All I can say as to the flippant comments of other posters (ie zk and harvey [aka pri_dk]) re: MY posts is to “consider the source.” Good L@rd! Pot meet kettle, lol ….[/quote]Wow! You really think saying, “consider the source” about me is helping your case? Your delusions are far worse than I had thought.
And while we’re considering, let’s all consider the fact that, as I’ve pointed out before, you’re a liar.
Also, if you think Harvey and I are the only ones making comments about you, you’re not paying attention.
Participant[quote=harvey][quote=Rich Toscano]bearishgurl-like proportions.[/quote]
I’ve often wondered if the time I’ve spent on this site was a complete waste of time.
The laugh I got from that one phrase makes it all worthwhile.[/quote]
That was funny, but this:
[quote=Rich Toscano]
I wonder if it would be possible to get you two into some kind of infinite loop…
[/quote]was even better.
I tried to picture said loop, but I got woozy after only about 0.75 seconds of that, so I stopped.
Participant[quote=Rich Toscano][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=harvey]
Political debate can be worthwhile when we focus on issues and candidates.Making generalizations about arbitrarily-defined groups is counter productive.[/quote]
I agree.
[/quote]You cannot be serious…[/quote]
Yeah, that gave me a laugh, too.
Participant[quote=njtosd]
If you have read anything I’ve written in these threads, you will realize that I have significant problems with both parties.
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You seem to imply that I don’t realize you have problems with both parties. Where are you getting that from?[quote=njtosd]
Your conviction that your viewpoint is unassailable
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What makes you think I have a conviction that my viewpoint is unassailable?Participant[quote=njtosd]
I believe that both sides have massive noise machines designed to encourage the “manipulatees” to make political donations. [/quote]
The vast majority of Americans don’t make political donations at all. So, if such apparatus exist, they’re not working.
The right-wing noise machine creates an echo chamber large and loud enough that one who subscribes to it can get the impression that the whole world agrees with his views. Any such apparatus on the left is dwarfed by that on the right. Unless you’ve been duped into thinking that the mainstream media is liberally biased. That ruse, as I’ve said on this forum before, is one of the most brilliant strokes of propaganda in the history of American propaganda.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]1st time in the flotation tank today in miramar. weird.
as i wss getting on the freeway, i was driving a little slow and some guy was going crazy honking and giving me the finger.
angry world. my mind was still all tank calmed.[/quote]
I’ve always wanted to try that. I wonder how different it is from land-bound meditating.
Participant[quote=zk]
What I would like is for there to be less emotional manipulation going on. People being told how to feel and then feeling that way. Never mind how to think; thinking, unfortunately, doesn’t even enter into it.[/quote]
Of course, this emotional manipulation has been going on since humans have been humans (at least). What could be (but isn’t and won’t be) different is that, now, most people have almost unlimited access to the same facts and other information as almost everybody else. We don’t have the same excuse to not understand what’s really happening as the serf in the field being told by his lord what the deal is.
Silly me, when the internet started to get big, I thought it would usher in a new era of enlightenment, all over (or almost all over) the world. How utterly naive that thought was. It’s done the opposite. And the reason it’s done the opposite is that it afforded a greater opportunity to emotionally manipulate people, and human beings are not only easily emotionally manipulated, they want to be told how to feel. They want to be led around by their amygdalas and put into boxes. They like their well-defined little boxes where they “know” what’s what. They don’t want to have to think or analyze or evaluate or use logic or reason or facts or evidence. That’s all too much work or too nebulous or too scary or too lacking in certainty.
That’s very disappointing to me. And I guess it’s why I hate the right-wing noise machine so much. It’s shown me a lot about human nature, and I don’t like what I see.
Participant[quote=njtosd]
Do you know anyone, zk, who likes to be wrong? There is equal jerkish behavior on both sides of the political fence – it just bugs you more when you don’t agree with the jerk’s politics.[/quote]
No, nobody likes to be wrong. That was my point.
And I don’t disagree with their politics as much as you probably think. I have many views that are right of center.
What bugs me is that this massive apparatus, the right-wing noise machine, is set up to manipulate them. If there were a left-wing noise machine that continually and powerfully and pervasively, ubiquitously, even, tried to manipulate those who lean left, that would bug me just as much.
What I would like is for there to be less emotional manipulation going on. People being told how to feel and then feeling that way. Never mind how to think; thinking, unfortunately, doesn’t even enter into it.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Very interesting ZK. I have a hard time figuring out how that squares ideologically in the minds of those people. Police abuse is government overreach to the extreme. If one cares about the constitution, one should never want the police to hold arbitrary powers over people.[/quote]
Squares? Are you kidding? They don’t square anything in their minds. If you’ve been emotionally manipulated, things like facts and squaring cease to matter.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]
The question we have to ask ourselves is why a large portion of the population feels anger and resentment at this new knowledge of police abuse. Why do they try to minimize and justify it by pointing to what they feel are more pressing problems?[/quote]
That’s easy. I can sum it up in 4 words: Right-wing noise machine. They’ve been brainwashed into thinking that the view of the world they want to be real (which includes most black people being the bad guys and all cops being the good guys) is reality. And humans get upset when their view of reality is challenged, especially if it’s one they’ve invested a lot of emotional energy in. And they don’t like to be wrong.
ParticipantLet’s assume for a second that the story the officer is telling is the truth. You have to figure that’s the best case scenario for the officer. But if his story is true:
First of all, to think that the toy was a gun is ridiculous. I can see thinking a toy gun is a gun, but a toy car? Jesus.
And, B: If you really think the therapist is in trouble, you’re going to shoot at the guy you think is the bad guy sitting there while the guy you’re trying to “save” is in your line of fire?
Number 3, I read that he shot him with a rifle. You can’t hit a 3-foot by 2-foot target with a rifle from 30 yards away? In 3 tries? You should never miss that target with that gun from that distance. You should be able to hit his left hand or his right thigh or whatever part you want from that distance with that gun.
D: And this is number 1, really: His reading of the whole situation was outrageously bad.
It’s possible that he’s telling the truth. But if he is, he’s an extremely incompetent officer and should not be in that line of work.
Participant[quote=njtosd]
I have this discussion with my kids: would you take a drug that would reduce your IQ 20% but would guarantee that you’re happy for the rest of your life? Please no one argue about the relevance of IQ (we can just call it intellect).[/quote]
To me, that’s a no-brainer. Make it 50%, and I’d still take it. Heck, I’d give you a million dollars for it. (As long as I could do it without putting a burden on other people.) What the hell good are money and intelligence if they don’t make you happy?
That would’ve been my answer before I had a family, anyway. If I could take that drug and still (in my newly borderline-retarded state) give my family the (non-monetary) support and guidance I want to give them, then I’d still take it now.
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