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ParticipantI predict that the shrinking of the middle class will accelerate.
I predict the lower-middle class, working class, and poor will all be economically worse off.
Trump promises to bring back jobs to the middle class. His policies will have the opposite effect. He’ll hurt unions, which will hurt the middle class. He may cause a trade war, which would hurt the middle class. His lowering of corporate taxes will do nothing for the middle class; it will only help raise corporate profits and widen the gap between worker pay and ceo pay. Health insurance will be more burdensome for the lower middle class and poorer. If he is successful in screwing with medicare (which I predict he will try to do), that will really hurt the lower middle class and poorer.
I predict that international relations will suffer. Possibly a trade war, possibly conflicts over Syria, isis, and North Korea, and with Russia and China.
I predict that he will repeatedly act poorly in response to insults/negative comments, resulting in friction between him/his administration and many other entities: foreign countries, senators, congressman, governors, corporations, unions, government agencies, individuals, etc. And I predict that this friction will, in many cases, result in harm to our country and its people.
I predict he won’t build the wall that he promised, and that whatever pale shadow of that wall he does get built, if any, will not be paid for by Mexico.
I predict that the deplorable tenor he has brought to our national discourse will continue for a couple years, until cooler heads prevail, the tide turns against that kind of talk, he’s no longer cheered for it, and trump himself reins it in. But the damage is done.
I predict more made-for-tv deals like the Carrier one. I predict that they will have negligible effect on anything, except distracting from the real economic issues at hand.
I predict that America’s standing in the world will suffer. We may even no longer be looked at as the leaders of the free world (an outdated term, but that’s what we’re seen as).
I predict that he will continue to lie about easily-verifiable things, and this will cost him credibility around the world, as people learn to doubt anything he says.
I predict that his selection of morons like Ben Carson, scary fucks like Jeff Sessions, lunatics like Michael Flynn, and other assorted jackasses/losers, along with his reliance on family and those who have been loyal to him (regardless of their other merits – or lack thereof) will result in a general condition of infighting, incompetence, conflict, and malevolence in the trump administration.
I predict that the right-wing media will either blame all this on the “liberals,” or they’ll say everything is great, despite it not being great. I predict that trump supporters will buy whichever b.s. they decide to go with.
That’s most of it.
I’m hanging it out there, trump supporters. You can point to all this in 4 years and tell me how wrong I am, if I am (I hope I am).
One more: I predict that no trump supporters will have the guts to make any substantive, positive predictions about trump’s presidency.
Participant[quote=Ribbles][quote=zk]Transparent bullshit. Predict a recession, and then if it doesn’t happen, you can say it’s because of your guy. If it does, you say it would’ve happened anyway.
All that enthusiasm for trump, and not one single positive prediction. I wonder why that is.[/quote]
Where exactly in those posts did you deduce that he’s “your guy?” Or are you just reading into things hoping to find a conservative to bash? I think he’s an idiot who is on track to set us back decades. I certainly didn’t vote for him.[/quote]
You’re right, Ribbles. I shouldn’t have lumped you in with livinincali.
Livinincali, what about you? I guess you haven’t come right out and said (that I remember) that you’re a trump supporter. You’ve indicated some support for some of his ideas. You’ve agreed with him that global warming isn’t human-caused. Are you a trump supporter? Do you think he’ll do well? Any positive predictions?
Now that he’s won, are there any trump supporters out there? bg, you are clearly a big supporter. Any positive predictions?
Participant[quote=Ribbles][quote=livinincali]I predict a fairly severe recession that would have happened no matter who was president. I also think he’ll likely be a one term president, but I thought the same thing about both major candidates.[/quote]
This. He will also take much of the blame for it, as H would have had she won.[/quote]
Transparent bullshit. Predict a recession, and then if it doesn’t happen, you can say it’s because of your guy. If it does, you say it would’ve happened anyway.
All that enthusiasm for trump, and not one single positive prediction. I wonder why that is.
ParticipantOf course.
Our new president is a “bull in a nuclear China shop.”
Wish I’d thought of that label. That’s perfect. And it goes right along with my concern/prediction that the biggest danger of a President trump is nuclear confrontation, be it with us and North Korea, us and Russia, Pakistan and India, between any two countries, really, or even between us and terrorists.
The complexities and subtleties of international relationships are obviously beyond his grasp. The bigger problem is that he doesn’t know that. If he knew it, he might take some advice. But, no, our president will buffoon his way around the world, flattening carefully constructed diplomatic relationships, exacerbating international frictions, and creating dangerous misunderstandings, all the while thinking he’s doing a great job.
North Korea plays a very dangerous game which requires restraint, tact, and steady, contemplated responses on the part of the United States. That game has 10s of millions of lives at stake. Let’s hope trump doesn’t react to Kim Jong Un’s bluster with the same kind of pathetic, thin-skinned, angry, unthinking, foolishness that he usually responds to insults with.
Given what he displayed on the campaign trail, this really wasn’t that hard to see coming. No, wait. Apparently, for 62 million people, it was. Morons.
ParticipantTrump’s election finally drove this home for me: Humans are idiots.
Did we really expect Americans to vote rationally? Only 19% of these idiots (Americans) believe in secular evolution (I doubt the statistic is much different in other countries). People believe what they want to believe (as that statistic clearly indicates), and no amount of facts, evidence, logic or reason will ever change that. One must be (I was) a chump to even try to reason with humans. You want to change somebody’s mind? Do what trump did. Do what the right-wing noise machine has been doing for decades. Lie. Manipulate. Trick. Misdirect. Use innuendo. Brainwash. Appeal to their basest, most primitive instincts. I refuse to do that, and I know reason won’t work, so I’m through trying to convince anybody of anything.
Humans, even most of the “smart” ones, are idiots, and reasoning with them won’t work.
ParticipantOne last prediction before I move on to more entertaining and productive endeavors.
Trump’s presidency will be, at best, bad for the country, and at worst, a disaster for the world.
Trump and his cronies, and the right-wing noise machine, will find a way to blame the whole thing on the left, despite having the presidency, the senate, the house, and (soon) the supreme court.
Either that, or they will say everything is wonderful. Just like North Korea does.
If I ever have to eat those words, they’ll taste like ribeye steak with red wine and Java Chip ice cream for desert. But I’m not holding my breath.
That prediction is if his presidency lasts for 4 years. Resignation or impeachment could happen before that.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]i am very concerned with following rules and norms and never lying or even exaggerating.
i think this may be dumb.
why not lie in situations it will help you? i cant remember the arguments against just saying anything to get your way…[/quote]
Louis CK on the subject:
Participant[quote=njtosd]
There are very few Americans who voted for Clinton who are familiar with all of the issues that you raise.
[/quote]That’s probably true.
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There are many, many who voted for Clinton because they believe that people who backed Clinton were smarter, cooler and simply better than those who voted for Trump – without reference to issues. To be fair, the Democratic party promoted that position with its party line, celebrities and references to deplorables. (I have many family members who fall into that category – maybe that explains my annoyance. )
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I haven’t seen that at all. Most people I know who voted for Hillary voted for her for one of these reasons: 1.They’re democrats and they always vote democrat. 2.They find trump repulsive, what with all of his misogyny, xenophobia, racism, and general douchebaggery. They might not know where he stands on NATO, but they can easily see that he’s a total jackass. 3. (a much smaller number than the first two) They really like Hillary.
And I would think the reasons for the protests are pretty much all about number 2 above.
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But a lot of this argument is about ego –[/quote]
If by, “this argument” you’re referring to “why people are protesting,” I disagree. I don’t see it. I think they’re protesting because they’re angry and disgusted that we’ve elected a misogynist, racist, xenophobic douchebag as president.
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and I think most elections are driven by emotions not logic.[/quote]
Definitely agree.
Participant[quote=njtosd] I don’t remember Supreme Court justices threatening to move to New Zealand, or people “protesting” (aka whining) in the streets over the presidential outcome in ’08 or ’12. I think it’s a matter of bruised ego for a lot of the intellectual types.[/quote]
I agree that protesting is ridiculous.
But to say that a “bruised ego” is the reason for it is more ridiculous. Bruised ego isn’t the problem. This is the problem:
[quote=zk]
In addition to the xenophobia and the misogyny, there are all these shocking and disgusting things:
His wanting nuclear weapons to proliferate.
His insistence that the military will follow illegal orders if he gives them.
His threats not to honor our NATO obligations.
His profound ignorance of foreign affairs (“Putin won’t go into Ukraine,” didn’t know what the nuclear triad is).
His desire to commit war crimes (killing terrorists’ families).
His threats not to pay our debts in full.
His birtherism.
His encouragement of Russian hacking.
His encouragement of violence against protesters and against Clinton.
His constant lying of a type and on a scale not seen in any previous presidential candidate (nor in most humans).
Each of these should cause shock and disgust. Put together, they’re so horrific that to not be shocked and disgusted by them indicates to me willful ignorance (or, more likely, a charade, as I explain in the last paragraph). And they don’t even include smaller reasons, many of them quite large, such as his completely unrealistic deportation force/wall ideas, his fascist tendencies, his claim that America is in a death spiral, his climate change denial, his refusal to release his tax returns, his business failures and his stiffing of thousands of workers, his lack of detailed policies, his draft dodging, his scam “university,” his abuse of his foundation, his desire to police speech, his claim that Obama founded ISIS, his frequently incoherent speech and general lack of intellect and knowledge, his refusal to admit/learn from/apologize for his mistakes, his demagoguery, his desire to abolish the Geneva Convention, and his bullying temperament.
And none of that even includes what is, in my opinion, his biggest, most dangerous flaw:
He can’t take an insult. He attacks anyone who says anything marginally negative about him. How is that going to work? The American president (every American president) is constantly being told his ideas and actions are bad ideas and actions. By citizens, by the news media, by foreign leaders, by other political parties, by people in his own party. By senators, congressmen, governors. Basically by everybody. Donald Trump, if elected president, will have to (because that’s who he is) attack all the people who say bad things about him. How is that going to work? A foreign leader says something negative about a Trump proposal or action. Trump attacks that leader. That leader condemns Trump’s attack. Trump gets angry about that and attacks again. Etc. How is that going to work? How is it going to work to give the nuclear codes to a thin-skinned, ill-tempered, petulant, foolish, ignorant, vindictive, disturbed child?[/quote]Participant[quote=moneymaker]He was elected by a minority of voters (48%) as I predicted.[/quote]
And not even a plurality.
Participant[quote=ltsdd]Get ready for double-digit unemployment and inflation. It’s going to be the fvcked up 1980s again. I am going to put off buying that next investment property for the next few years.[/quote]
Why do you see double-digit inflation in a trump presidency?
ParticipantAmerica is emotionally weak. They have been manipulated.
Participant[quote=harvey]
If there were a Republican president, the right-wing noise machine wouldn’t say much about him at all. [/quote]
It seemed to me they spent a lot of time propping up W.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=ltsdd][quote=FlyerInHi]
I would be happy with 8 years of Hillary.[/quote]A Hillary win is not guaranteed. Even if she does win, it will most likely be 1 and done. The way this election has been going, the next Repub candidate that is anywhere to the left of Chump will most likely be able to defeat Hillary; and most of them seems exactly that.[/quote]
We shall see because 4 years is a long time. 1 and done is what they said about Obama and now he’s leaving office at a high point in popularity. Ann Romney believed they would win so much that she cried when it bacame clear they lost.
And the Republican base may want to move further to the right with the rise of infowars, Breitbart, and maybe the Trump News.
I feel prosperity on the horizon… There is pent up demand from years of slow growth in America and abroad. A good economy and 4 more years of changing demographics can do wonders.[/quote]
The disarray in the GOP is going to be a problem for them. But don’t underestimate the power of the right-wing noise machine. They had many millions of Americans convinced that Obama was a bad president before he even set foot in the oval office. Their echo chamber is so strong that they think just saying the name “Obama” will make everyone automatically think, “terrible president” or “worst president ever.” Their rhetoric is completely disconnected from reality, and their followers are completely unaware of this.
It’s comically easy to predict that the right-wing noise machine will portray Hillary as the worst president ever. It won’t matter what she does, and it won’t matter what happens to the economy. And with the lies, innuendo, half-truths, and deception they’ve been laying down for decades, they’ve got a massive head start on her.
Let’s picture 2 scenarios:
1. Hillary becomes president. She moves a bit towards the center.
2. Kasich had won the presidency. He moves a bit towards the center.
In these hypothetical scenarios, Hillary and Kasich do the exact same things in their presidency.
Does anyone doubt that, making the exact same moves, Hillary would be painted by the right-wing noise machine as the worst president ever while Kasich would be exalted by them as a great president?
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