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Participant[quote=zk] I would raise my arms in triumph as the wolves shit out whatever disgusting brown remnants were left of them. [/quote]
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Zk, you are too kind to a fault. [/quote]Doubtful.
Liberals like to say, “Tyrone grew up in a gang-infested neighborhood. He had no daddy, and his momma was on crack. Nobody told him to do his homework and the only love he got was from gangsters. He had no chance without our help.”
Well, Rufus grew up in a fox news-infested neighborhood. His gun-totin’ daddy taught him that liberals were retards and CNN was devil news, and his big fat momma told him college was for yankees and sissies. Maybe Rufus didn’t have a chance without our help, either. But lots of liberals say, “fuck Rufus.”
I don’t see much difference between Tyrone and Rufus as far as their opportunity to overcome their upbringing. I don’t think the best approach to either of them is to throw them to the wolves. Of course, Brian, maybe you’re the kind of liberal that doesn’t care about Tyrone or Rufus. Which at least would be consistent.
I get flu’s point that somebody has to be at the bottom. But I think that if we could lift up all the Tyrones and all the Rufuses (and all the Julios, while were at it), we’d have a better, happier, more prosperous country.
Participant[quote=flu]Well, the great thing about this country is that once a president gets elected, he gets only gets about 2 years before he needs to become preoccupied with getting re-elected.
At this point, I think you would probably want things to continue to be a complete disaster so that interesting things happen mid term.
It might be entirely possible you have a bi-partisan initiative to eventually get rid of him if things continue blowing up the way they are.
Meanwhile, all these allegations and distractions are good. It keeps Trump and crew from pushing their agenda…
Meanwhile, grab some popcorn and enjoy the circus.
I wouldn’t worry about the rest of the world and losing credibility. I’m sure most people are pretty convinced it’s just Trump. You judge people by individuals not groups or where they are from. On a personal note (your kids), they will be judged on their achievements, not Trump’s failures and a faction of this country’s retardedness.
So again, not my problem, not your problem either.
When things return back to something more rationale and reasonable in our government in the middle, perhaps we do need to include some of those folks NoWhereVille and do something… Ignoring them won’t make problems go away, they just come back with a different ugly head.
I guess Bush Junior wasn’t as bad in retrospect… At least he has a sense of humor…
BTW: Saudi Arabia just bought the largest oil refinery in the US I think.. So much for making america great again… Lol…
An excellent post, flu. I hope you’re right about the rest of the world being convinced it’s just trump. I agree that it’s least bad that he keeps getting nothing done. The impossible dream scenario where he fulfills a campaign promise and actually brings back jobs to nowhereville without hurting the rest of the economy might be better, but, again, that’s nothing but a dream. Second least-bad is he sticks around, and he lets congressional republicans do whatever they want. Third least-bad is religious nut Pence becomes president. (similar to previous scenario). Fourth least-bad is he sticks around and he somehow gets what he wants done, which seems to be to attempt to glorify himself and to stoke hate and anger and division and paranoia both at home and abroad all while instigating economically destructive isolationist trade policies and screwing over anybody who’s not rich. Worst-case scenario is he loses his cool (again) and spouts off at Kim Jong Un or Vladimir Putin, then things escalate because he refuses to back down or admit he’s wrong, and a city or some cities get nuked.
Participant[quote=flu]
I was pissed off before about this, but as AN pointed out to me, it really doesn’t affect my family or me. Because we’re busy finding ways around everything. Trump, the US, or the US government can’t stop the rest of the world, the rest of the world’s economy and opportunities. If folks in this country want to brainwash their kids into self-limiting their opportunity, well it’s their choice. I feel sorry for their kids, but again… not my problem.[/quote]
Typical Asians. Finding a way to make it work regardless of the environment and not letting obstacles stop you.
Obviously that’s great. Are you not concerned that con man don might cause problems that go beyond economic hardship for the people who voted for him?
Fareed Zakaria, who otherwise usually seems pretty reasonable to me, said that trump “became president” when he bombed Syria. That may be the stupidest and most dangerous comment a political pundit has ever made. Here’s a “man” who cares about nothing but his ego, and who controls a massive nuclear arsenal, and you tell him he sucks until he bombs somebody, and then you tell him he’s great. Brilliant.
The bombardment that con man don is receiving right now is clearly bothering him. If the only thing anybody praises him for is bombing other countries…
It seemed for a while like he might consolidate power in the manner of a fascist or an authoritarian. Recently, that has abated as the country’s system of checks and balances seems to be working. If that trend reverses again, it could get ugly.
We’ve already lost credibility around the world.
He’s compromised our intelligence with his bungling.
It’s late and I don’t have the energy to write a complete list. But you get the picture.
I get your point about it not being your problem if it doesn’t affect you (even if I don’t feel that way). My response to that is that there is a significant chance that his ignorance, lying, incompetence, lack of self control, and mental illness could end up causing you very real problems.
ParticipantHallelujah. Someone who gets it:
“Fox News founder made this the hate-filled, moronic country it is today”
And he did it for money. I’m glad he’s dead.
Participant[quote=flu]Less competition for my kid from them…Someone needs to continue to be at the bottom of the bell curve…
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There’s something I can work with.
ParticipantMost of these problems might not be my problems. I am nonetheless concerned for (at least) 3 reasons. Not in any particular order:
1) The people who voted for con man don are credulous and gullible, and they have brought this upon themselves. A lot of them voted for con man don because they’re afraid of the new culture of America, in which they’re no longer the preferred people. Which, in many cases, does make them racists and/or xenophobes. But they are humans nonetheless. They’ve been tricked and duped and lied to and manipulated. The racist ones were probably raised by racist parents. To let them be eaten by the wolves they were tricked into voting for seems like an inferior response to trying to educate them. Both for how their lives would turn out and for how the country would turn out. Yes, I know, they’re tough to educate. They’re stuck in their ways and stuck to their fox propaganda. Sure, it ain’t easy. Good things rarely are.
Now, if it was right-wing media who we were throwing to the wolves, I’d be all for it. I’d yell “fuck them” at the top of my lungs and I’d yell “take that, motherfuckers” at them as they were being eaten. I would raise my arms in triumph as the wolves shit out whatever disgusting brown remnants were left of them. They’re the ones that deserve our contempt and hate. They sold propaganda for money. They are ruining our country.
2) Even if it’s not my problem, it’s this country’s problem. I think this is a great country, and it would be bad for us and bad for the world if we failed as a country.
3) My daughter is 16 years old. God knows how much damage con man don craven congressional republicans could cause if nobody checks his power. I don’t want that kind of future for my daughter.
ParticipantThis is our president:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/the-terrible-cost-of-trumps-disclosures/526818/
I would just say, “good god, what a loser.” But that’s something you say about someone who means nothing. This narcissistic buffoon is our president. He’s a menace to our country.
If you’re one of the millions of con man don voters who still think he’s doing a good job, stop watching fox. It’s not news. It’s propaganda. It, and you, are ruining our country.
Participant[quote=SK in CV]It’s not just right wing media. It’s the absolutely moronic mainstream media. This from the LA Times:
Still, nothing prepared us for the magnitude of this train wreck. Like millions of other Americans, we clung to a slim hope that the new president would turn out to be all noise and bluster, or that the people around him in the White House would act as a check on his worst instincts, or that he would be sobered and transformed by the awesome responsibilities of office.
JFC. Who coulda knowed it all over again. Anyone and everyone who watched the campaign should have known exactly what was coming. Only an f’ing moron couldn’t see it coming. But they were constantly distracted by shiny but absolutely benign things. Ya know…. emails and shit.
http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-our-dishonest-president/%5B/quote%5D
So you’re saying the mainstream media was not harsh enough on con man don?
I think that that was definitely true in many cases. And I think the reason for that is that the constant accusations of left-wing bias from the right-wing media have cowed the mainstream media into toning down, not just in the case of con man don’s candidacy, but in general, their condemnation of any right-wing idea, policy, action, or philosophy that they (the mainstream media) see as dangerous, foolish, ignorant, wrong, or immoral.
All that said, I disagree with your assessment of the L.A. times. The quote you cite above was preceded by this:
The Times called him unprepared and unsuited for the job he was seeking, and said his election would be a “catastrophe.”
The quote I cite linked to the following article.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-hillary-endorsement-20160923-snap-story.html
To say that electing a particular candidate would be “catastrophic for the nation” is pretty heavy. Not sure how you could ask for more than that.
Participant[quote=harvey]
The typical comeback to concerns about the influence of right-wing media is an obscure example of a wacky left-wing commentator or site – “see both sides are the same!” But the right has substantial mass, their “news” shows dominate the ratings and their message is far more biased.
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Exactly.[quote=harvey]
Right wing media is huge business in America. In the mainstream Fox is far bigger than CNN, and the right wing fringe sites really aren’t so fringe at all. The Pat Dollards and AM talk radio shows have millions of regular and consistent followers. There is nothing of equivalent mass on the left.
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Indeed.
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The reason for the disparity is simple: There’s more money to be made in right-wing politics. Energy companies need to trash the environment and military contractors need constant war. But you can’t sell that message directly. They’ve learned that the “look at what these unpatriotic liberals are up to now” does sell. In a big way.
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I don’t agree with the money part. I agree that there’s more money to be made in right-wing politics. And that you can’t sell that message directly. But I’m not sure how that money would get to right-wing media. I mean, military contractors and energy companies aren’t buying advertising or funding, as far as I can tell, the right-wing media in any way. I’m not sure how that would work. I wouldn’t put it past them. I’m certain they would if they could, and if it were necessary, but I don’t see how it would work.I also don’t think it’s necessary. I think that right-wing media is extremely popular because it tells right wingers what they want to hear. It tells them they’re right about everything. It makes them feel good about themselves. It makes them feel strong and smart. It makes them feel like they’re better and stronger and manlier than whiny liberal pansies. That stuff sells. It sells way better than the truth. People flock to Fox Propaganda and Breitbart and the Drudge Report. You don’t need energy companies and military contractors to fund that. Procter and Gamble is all you need.
Participant[quote=harvey]http://www.patdollard.com/
THE WAR STARTS HERE![/quote]
Yeah, then you have those sites that are just complete lunacy. But they have lots of followers. The fringe is bigger than I thought.
Participant[quote=bryan995]I’ve also read some posts, discussing a potential ‘fire’ sale come end of year for some new homes / builders.
Apparently they are willing to offer steep discounts as Q4 wraps up (and especially as a particular development comes to a close) to boost revenues.
We were hoping that if we can hold off until nov/dec, that some significant discounts can be had for these units. $992k -> $950k? or more?
Any truth to any of this?[/quote]
I guess it’s possible. I’ve never seen it – and I’ve spent years watching. On rare occasion, prices may come down as the weaker part of the real estate sales year comes around (Nov/Dec), but no more than is commensurate with prices in the area in general (and usually less). And usually, in that case, they won’t actually lower prices so much as offer some incentives or upgrades. Far more often, in a time of rising prices, prices go up with every phase. Part of that is that they frequently sell the better lots in later releases. But I would say most of it is just plain old rising prices.
The biggest incentives I’ve seen are on really bad lots that don’t sell for a long time. There were one or two on Gablewood Way that have power line towers right behind them – practically in their back yard. They sat for a long time, and finally they either lowered the price enough or offered enough incentives that they sold. I don’t have any numbers, but it was quite a bit. In my experience, if you want a good lot, you get on the list as high as you can, and pay what they’re asking. They’re pretty good at timing their releases so as to get as much as possible for their houses, and there’s not much you can do about it.
ParticipantThinking back, maybe it wasn’t your first visit to the office. I think it was either the first time you signed in or when you got on the “priority list.”
ParticipantA couple good data points above. Here’s another:
I live in CV south of the 56. PHR generally has somewhat higher mello roos (than here), so that’s kind of a bummer. But I’ve found Carmel Valley a great place to raise a family. Generally you’ll find lots of families with young children in these new neighborhoods. Plus, when you and your neighbors all move in at almost the same time, there’s an immediate sense of community that you probably won’t find in an older neighborhood. We have block parties, our kids play together, sometimes we hang out, we watch out for each other, we all know each other. That kind of thing. The PHR area has some pretty nice shopping centers, if you like new and clean (some prefer old with character).
The weather here is nice, especially if you don’t like heat. Most parts of Escondido are pretty hot, and some parts are brutally hot. CV rarely gets above 75, even in summer. If you like the heat, you won’t get much here.
Obviously it depends on what you prefer; I’m just trying to paint a picture of life in a new development in CV.
I’ve bought 2 new homes from Pardee in CV, and I don’t think saving a bit on agent commission will work. I don’t think they’ll give you a discount based on not having an agent – a few people we know tried that and got nowhere. And they won’t pay a commission unless you tell them about your agent on your FIRST visit to the sales office (you might even have to bring him to the office, I’m not sure). They will (or they did 6 years ago) pay a commission to that agent if you buy a home (I think it was 1% or 2%, I’m not sure) The best you can do (as far as I know) is to make a deal with an agent beforehand that all he has to do is show up once, and work out with him where he gives you some of that commission. Works best if you have a friend or relative who’s an agent.
Participant[quote=harvey][quote=sdgrrl]Religious right- thank you for elected a secular, wife cheating President. You will never have the religion card to ever use again.[/quote]
That is entirely logical and entirely incorrect.
Welcome to the new age of American politics.[/quote]
Exactly. Con man don’s followers are not bothered in the least by rampant hypocrisy and lying, let alone invalid logic.
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