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I don’t have any recommendations for an antenna, but if you get internet via cable then you probably don’t need an antenna. Instead, get a splitter and run your cable line to your tv and you should get basic cable even if you are not signed up for it.

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I don’t have any recommendations for an antenna, but if you get internet via cable then you probably don’t need an antenna. Instead, get a splitter and run your cable line to your tv and you should get basic cable even if you are not signed up for it.

[XBoxBoy]

I don’t have any recommendations for an antenna, but if you get internet via cable then you probably don’t need an antenna. Instead, get a splitter and run your cable line to your tv and you should get basic cable even if you are not signed up for it.

[XBoxBoy]

Archie Bunker said it best:

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Archie Bunker said it best:

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Archie Bunker said it best:

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Archie Bunker said it best:

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Archie Bunker said it best:

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[quote=flu]
Fair???? Fair is subjective….From people that aren’t existing home owners, the “fair” thing to do perhaps do everything possible to crater home prices (though personally, I don’t think it will). Once a homeowner, the “fair” thing to do is to keep prop 13.

I’m pretty confident that

1)People who are against prop 13 aren’t currently owners.

2)Once people who use to be against prop 13 own a home, they will more or less sing a completely different tune….

So again, I think any “fairness” argument is subjective

[/quote]

Sorry flu, but I gotta strongly disagree on several points. First as an example, I am a homeowner and I’m against prop 13. I was against it from when I first heard about it (and was a renter) and I’m still against it now that I’m a homeowner.

I don’t think “fairness” is that subjective. Fairness would mean that everyone contributes to the greater good to a similar degree. We could argue about how we measure the amount people contribute, ie, we could argue if we measure based on ability to contribute or on dollar amount, but what we have now with prop 13 is neither. This may not be visible in newer neighborhoods, but in places like La Jolla, it is amazingly out of whack whatever method you use to compare contribution.

I do think jp has a point that if we repeal prop 13 then property taxes will just go up, and that’s worse. I don’t know if that’s true, but at least it’s a sensible argument. But to argue that prop 13 is not unfair, well, sorry, that’s just too much nonsense.

XboxBoy

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[quote=flu]
Fair???? Fair is subjective….From people that aren’t existing home owners, the “fair” thing to do perhaps do everything possible to crater home prices (though personally, I don’t think it will). Once a homeowner, the “fair” thing to do is to keep prop 13.

I’m pretty confident that

1)People who are against prop 13 aren’t currently owners.

2)Once people who use to be against prop 13 own a home, they will more or less sing a completely different tune….

So again, I think any “fairness” argument is subjective

[/quote]

Sorry flu, but I gotta strongly disagree on several points. First as an example, I am a homeowner and I’m against prop 13. I was against it from when I first heard about it (and was a renter) and I’m still against it now that I’m a homeowner.

I don’t think “fairness” is that subjective. Fairness would mean that everyone contributes to the greater good to a similar degree. We could argue about how we measure the amount people contribute, ie, we could argue if we measure based on ability to contribute or on dollar amount, but what we have now with prop 13 is neither. This may not be visible in newer neighborhoods, but in places like La Jolla, it is amazingly out of whack whatever method you use to compare contribution.

I do think jp has a point that if we repeal prop 13 then property taxes will just go up, and that’s worse. I don’t know if that’s true, but at least it’s a sensible argument. But to argue that prop 13 is not unfair, well, sorry, that’s just too much nonsense.

XboxBoy

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[quote=flu]
Fair???? Fair is subjective….From people that aren’t existing home owners, the “fair” thing to do perhaps do everything possible to crater home prices (though personally, I don’t think it will). Once a homeowner, the “fair” thing to do is to keep prop 13.

I’m pretty confident that

1)People who are against prop 13 aren’t currently owners.

2)Once people who use to be against prop 13 own a home, they will more or less sing a completely different tune….

So again, I think any “fairness” argument is subjective

[/quote]

Sorry flu, but I gotta strongly disagree on several points. First as an example, I am a homeowner and I’m against prop 13. I was against it from when I first heard about it (and was a renter) and I’m still against it now that I’m a homeowner.

I don’t think “fairness” is that subjective. Fairness would mean that everyone contributes to the greater good to a similar degree. We could argue about how we measure the amount people contribute, ie, we could argue if we measure based on ability to contribute or on dollar amount, but what we have now with prop 13 is neither. This may not be visible in newer neighborhoods, but in places like La Jolla, it is amazingly out of whack whatever method you use to compare contribution.

I do think jp has a point that if we repeal prop 13 then property taxes will just go up, and that’s worse. I don’t know if that’s true, but at least it’s a sensible argument. But to argue that prop 13 is not unfair, well, sorry, that’s just too much nonsense.

XboxBoy

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=flu]
Fair???? Fair is subjective….From people that aren’t existing home owners, the “fair” thing to do perhaps do everything possible to crater home prices (though personally, I don’t think it will). Once a homeowner, the “fair” thing to do is to keep prop 13.

I’m pretty confident that

1)People who are against prop 13 aren’t currently owners.

2)Once people who use to be against prop 13 own a home, they will more or less sing a completely different tune….

So again, I think any “fairness” argument is subjective

[/quote]

Sorry flu, but I gotta strongly disagree on several points. First as an example, I am a homeowner and I’m against prop 13. I was against it from when I first heard about it (and was a renter) and I’m still against it now that I’m a homeowner.

I don’t think “fairness” is that subjective. Fairness would mean that everyone contributes to the greater good to a similar degree. We could argue about how we measure the amount people contribute, ie, we could argue if we measure based on ability to contribute or on dollar amount, but what we have now with prop 13 is neither. This may not be visible in newer neighborhoods, but in places like La Jolla, it is amazingly out of whack whatever method you use to compare contribution.

I do think jp has a point that if we repeal prop 13 then property taxes will just go up, and that’s worse. I don’t know if that’s true, but at least it’s a sensible argument. But to argue that prop 13 is not unfair, well, sorry, that’s just too much nonsense.

XboxBoy

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=flu]
Fair???? Fair is subjective….From people that aren’t existing home owners, the “fair” thing to do perhaps do everything possible to crater home prices (though personally, I don’t think it will). Once a homeowner, the “fair” thing to do is to keep prop 13.

I’m pretty confident that

1)People who are against prop 13 aren’t currently owners.

2)Once people who use to be against prop 13 own a home, they will more or less sing a completely different tune….

So again, I think any “fairness” argument is subjective

[/quote]

Sorry flu, but I gotta strongly disagree on several points. First as an example, I am a homeowner and I’m against prop 13. I was against it from when I first heard about it (and was a renter) and I’m still against it now that I’m a homeowner.

I don’t think “fairness” is that subjective. Fairness would mean that everyone contributes to the greater good to a similar degree. We could argue about how we measure the amount people contribute, ie, we could argue if we measure based on ability to contribute or on dollar amount, but what we have now with prop 13 is neither. This may not be visible in newer neighborhoods, but in places like La Jolla, it is amazingly out of whack whatever method you use to compare contribution.

I do think jp has a point that if we repeal prop 13 then property taxes will just go up, and that’s worse. I don’t know if that’s true, but at least it’s a sensible argument. But to argue that prop 13 is not unfair, well, sorry, that’s just too much nonsense.

XboxBoy

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[quote=jpinpb]There are few people who are paying low property taxes, especially after this last bubble.[/quote]

Not true. Here in La Jolla there are lots of people with tax basis that is a tenth of what their neighbors is. Several people on our street are original owners who paid 8-12k for their places. Their neighbors are paying taxes on a basis of 1.5 to 2.5 mil. I find that hardly a fair distribution of the tax burden.

[XBoxBoy]

[quote=jpinpb]There are few people who are paying low property taxes, especially after this last bubble.[/quote]

Not true. Here in La Jolla there are lots of people with tax basis that is a tenth of what their neighbors is. Several people on our street are original owners who paid 8-12k for their places. Their neighbors are paying taxes on a basis of 1.5 to 2.5 mil. I find that hardly a fair distribution of the tax burden.

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