[weberlin]

[quote=ocrenter]The obesity epidemic is the result of a perfect confluence of conditions in this country since the 60’s:

–families gradually moved from single income to double income or single parent households, translating to less in home cooking and more take outs/eating out or reliance on easy to cook processed food.

–expansion of suburbia, which also translate to increased reliance on cars and increased commute time. this eliminate walking as integral part of daily life.

–the increased reliance on restaurant food/processed microwave ready food means increased amount of dollar in that area. this drives competition for this expending dollar. the expending food industry realized if they maximize taste (increase in grease and salt), maximize portion size, and improve efficiency (thus lower cost), they can maximize their profit.

…[/quote]

Any conversation about the state of agriculture and food consumption practices in post-Vietnam U.S. needs to weigh the considerable influence of Earl Butz, the Secretary of Agriculture appointed by Nixon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Butz

Butz was successful in creating policies that created cheap food. I don’t think he foresaw the rise and domination of multi-national agri-corp behemoths like Monsanto, and Tyson as an additional consequence of his policies.

Regardless of intent, Butz is the guy that set the ball rolling on large corporations pushing out small farmers to get ridiculous subsidies. These subsidies were initially priced to incentivize food production to lower the cost of food for families in the 60’s. Unfortunately, these subsidies have only increased since their initial adoption.

[weberlin]

[quote=ocrenter]The obesity epidemic is the result of a perfect confluence of conditions in this country since the 60’s:

–families gradually moved from single income to double income or single parent households, translating to less in home cooking and more take outs/eating out or reliance on easy to cook processed food.

–expansion of suburbia, which also translate to increased reliance on cars and increased commute time. this eliminate walking as integral part of daily life.

–the increased reliance on restaurant food/processed microwave ready food means increased amount of dollar in that area. this drives competition for this expending dollar. the expending food industry realized if they maximize taste (increase in grease and salt), maximize portion size, and improve efficiency (thus lower cost), they can maximize their profit.

…[/quote]

Any conversation about the state of agriculture and food consumption practices in post-Vietnam U.S. needs to weigh the considerable influence of Earl Butz, the Secretary of Agriculture appointed by Nixon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Butz

Butz was successful in creating policies that created cheap food. I don’t think he foresaw the rise and domination of multi-national agri-corp behemoths like Monsanto, and Tyson as an additional consequence of his policies.

Regardless of intent, Butz is the guy that set the ball rolling on large corporations pushing out small farmers to get ridiculous subsidies. These subsidies were initially priced to incentivize food production to lower the cost of food for families in the 60’s. Unfortunately, these subsidies have only increased since their initial adoption.

[weberlin]

[quote=ocrenter]The obesity epidemic is the result of a perfect confluence of conditions in this country since the 60’s:

–families gradually moved from single income to double income or single parent households, translating to less in home cooking and more take outs/eating out or reliance on easy to cook processed food.

–expansion of suburbia, which also translate to increased reliance on cars and increased commute time. this eliminate walking as integral part of daily life.

–the increased reliance on restaurant food/processed microwave ready food means increased amount of dollar in that area. this drives competition for this expending dollar. the expending food industry realized if they maximize taste (increase in grease and salt), maximize portion size, and improve efficiency (thus lower cost), they can maximize their profit.

…[/quote]

Any conversation about the state of agriculture and food consumption practices in post-Vietnam U.S. needs to weigh the considerable influence of Earl Butz, the Secretary of Agriculture appointed by Nixon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Butz

Butz was successful in creating policies that created cheap food. I don’t think he foresaw the rise and domination of multi-national agri-corp behemoths like Monsanto, and Tyson as an additional consequence of his policies.

Regardless of intent, Butz is the guy that set the ball rolling on large corporations pushing out small farmers to get ridiculous subsidies. These subsidies were initially priced to incentivize food production to lower the cost of food for families in the 60’s. Unfortunately, these subsidies have only increased since their initial adoption.

[weberlin]

[quote=ocrenter]The obesity epidemic is the result of a perfect confluence of conditions in this country since the 60’s:

–families gradually moved from single income to double income or single parent households, translating to less in home cooking and more take outs/eating out or reliance on easy to cook processed food.

–expansion of suburbia, which also translate to increased reliance on cars and increased commute time. this eliminate walking as integral part of daily life.

–the increased reliance on restaurant food/processed microwave ready food means increased amount of dollar in that area. this drives competition for this expending dollar. the expending food industry realized if they maximize taste (increase in grease and salt), maximize portion size, and improve efficiency (thus lower cost), they can maximize their profit.

…[/quote]

Any conversation about the state of agriculture and food consumption practices in post-Vietnam U.S. needs to weigh the considerable influence of Earl Butz, the Secretary of Agriculture appointed by Nixon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Butz

Butz was successful in creating policies that created cheap food. I don’t think he foresaw the rise and domination of multi-national agri-corp behemoths like Monsanto, and Tyson as an additional consequence of his policies.

Regardless of intent, Butz is the guy that set the ball rolling on large corporations pushing out small farmers to get ridiculous subsidies. These subsidies were initially priced to incentivize food production to lower the cost of food for families in the 60’s. Unfortunately, these subsidies have only increased since their initial adoption.

[weberlin]

[quote=ocrenter]The obesity epidemic is the result of a perfect confluence of conditions in this country since the 60’s:

–families gradually moved from single income to double income or single parent households, translating to less in home cooking and more take outs/eating out or reliance on easy to cook processed food.

–expansion of suburbia, which also translate to increased reliance on cars and increased commute time. this eliminate walking as integral part of daily life.

–the increased reliance on restaurant food/processed microwave ready food means increased amount of dollar in that area. this drives competition for this expending dollar. the expending food industry realized if they maximize taste (increase in grease and salt), maximize portion size, and improve efficiency (thus lower cost), they can maximize their profit.

…[/quote]

Any conversation about the state of agriculture and food consumption practices in post-Vietnam U.S. needs to weigh the considerable influence of Earl Butz, the Secretary of Agriculture appointed by Nixon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Butz

Butz was successful in creating policies that created cheap food. I don’t think he foresaw the rise and domination of multi-national agri-corp behemoths like Monsanto, and Tyson as an additional consequence of his policies.

Regardless of intent, Butz is the guy that set the ball rolling on large corporations pushing out small farmers to get ridiculous subsidies. These subsidies were initially priced to incentivize food production to lower the cost of food for families in the 60’s. Unfortunately, these subsidies have only increased since their initial adoption.

[weberlin]

[quote=jpinpb]Thanks so much for the feedback. My hesitation has saved me a few times from purchases I would’ve regretted. I just know these canyon homes are desired and this is not a steep canyon, very gradual hill that is useable. I’m already planting my garden in my head. Gets lots of sun. Don’t come across too many lots that are useable of this size that still in the city as opposed to East County, say.[/quote]

I feel ya, JP. The right home in the right pocket in that area is the best balance of affordable ‘east coast’ and ‘west coast’ living in San Diego. With all the trees in the area, and the diversity of architecture, you don’t feel like your in SoCal walking around…except for the awesome weather.

[weberlin]

[quote=jpinpb]Thanks so much for the feedback. My hesitation has saved me a few times from purchases I would’ve regretted. I just know these canyon homes are desired and this is not a steep canyon, very gradual hill that is useable. I’m already planting my garden in my head. Gets lots of sun. Don’t come across too many lots that are useable of this size that still in the city as opposed to East County, say.[/quote]

I feel ya, JP. The right home in the right pocket in that area is the best balance of affordable ‘east coast’ and ‘west coast’ living in San Diego. With all the trees in the area, and the diversity of architecture, you don’t feel like your in SoCal walking around…except for the awesome weather.

[weberlin]

[quote=jpinpb]Thanks so much for the feedback. My hesitation has saved me a few times from purchases I would’ve regretted. I just know these canyon homes are desired and this is not a steep canyon, very gradual hill that is useable. I’m already planting my garden in my head. Gets lots of sun. Don’t come across too many lots that are useable of this size that still in the city as opposed to East County, say.[/quote]

I feel ya, JP. The right home in the right pocket in that area is the best balance of affordable ‘east coast’ and ‘west coast’ living in San Diego. With all the trees in the area, and the diversity of architecture, you don’t feel like your in SoCal walking around…except for the awesome weather.

[weberlin]

[quote=jpinpb]Thanks so much for the feedback. My hesitation has saved me a few times from purchases I would’ve regretted. I just know these canyon homes are desired and this is not a steep canyon, very gradual hill that is useable. I’m already planting my garden in my head. Gets lots of sun. Don’t come across too many lots that are useable of this size that still in the city as opposed to East County, say.[/quote]

I feel ya, JP. The right home in the right pocket in that area is the best balance of affordable ‘east coast’ and ‘west coast’ living in San Diego. With all the trees in the area, and the diversity of architecture, you don’t feel like your in SoCal walking around…except for the awesome weather.

[weberlin]

[quote=jpinpb]Thanks so much for the feedback. My hesitation has saved me a few times from purchases I would’ve regretted. I just know these canyon homes are desired and this is not a steep canyon, very gradual hill that is useable. I’m already planting my garden in my head. Gets lots of sun. Don’t come across too many lots that are useable of this size that still in the city as opposed to East County, say.[/quote]

I feel ya, JP. The right home in the right pocket in that area is the best balance of affordable ‘east coast’ and ‘west coast’ living in San Diego. With all the trees in the area, and the diversity of architecture, you don’t feel like your in SoCal walking around…except for the awesome weather.

[weberlin]

Overpriced.

If it sold for $360K in 2004, you shouldn’t pay much more than that now.

I can understand your desire to live in the area. I was seriously contemplating a $350K REO on Whaley Ave. in 2008. 3/2, 1300 Sq ft, and it was canyon facing, and super isolated on quiet a cul-de-sac. But it was toe-up-from-the-floor-up. It would’ve required $30K to make liveable or $50K to bring it up to my standards.

I ended up buying a condo in Mission Valley last year.

http://piggington.com/would_you_have_pulled_the_trigger

I’m disappointed it’s not North/South Park, but it has a huge garage, and lives like a SFR. Overall, I’m happy with the purchase.

My point is that you can afford to be patient because it will be a buyer’s market for some time to come
– There is no reason to expect interest rates to be raised much, if at all, in the next year.
– Banks can’t stem the tide of foreclosures forever. http://piggington.com/the_many_faces_of_shadow_inventory

Good luck…

[weberlin]

Overpriced.

If it sold for $360K in 2004, you shouldn’t pay much more than that now.

I can understand your desire to live in the area. I was seriously contemplating a $350K REO on Whaley Ave. in 2008. 3/2, 1300 Sq ft, and it was canyon facing, and super isolated on quiet a cul-de-sac. But it was toe-up-from-the-floor-up. It would’ve required $30K to make liveable or $50K to bring it up to my standards.

I ended up buying a condo in Mission Valley last year.

http://piggington.com/would_you_have_pulled_the_trigger

I’m disappointed it’s not North/South Park, but it has a huge garage, and lives like a SFR. Overall, I’m happy with the purchase.

My point is that you can afford to be patient because it will be a buyer’s market for some time to come
– There is no reason to expect interest rates to be raised much, if at all, in the next year.
– Banks can’t stem the tide of foreclosures forever. http://piggington.com/the_many_faces_of_shadow_inventory

Good luck…

[weberlin]

Overpriced.

If it sold for $360K in 2004, you shouldn’t pay much more than that now.

I can understand your desire to live in the area. I was seriously contemplating a $350K REO on Whaley Ave. in 2008. 3/2, 1300 Sq ft, and it was canyon facing, and super isolated on quiet a cul-de-sac. But it was toe-up-from-the-floor-up. It would’ve required $30K to make liveable or $50K to bring it up to my standards.

I ended up buying a condo in Mission Valley last year.

http://piggington.com/would_you_have_pulled_the_trigger

I’m disappointed it’s not North/South Park, but it has a huge garage, and lives like a SFR. Overall, I’m happy with the purchase.

My point is that you can afford to be patient because it will be a buyer’s market for some time to come
– There is no reason to expect interest rates to be raised much, if at all, in the next year.
– Banks can’t stem the tide of foreclosures forever. http://piggington.com/the_many_faces_of_shadow_inventory

Good luck…

[weberlin]

Overpriced.

If it sold for $360K in 2004, you shouldn’t pay much more than that now.

I can understand your desire to live in the area. I was seriously contemplating a $350K REO on Whaley Ave. in 2008. 3/2, 1300 Sq ft, and it was canyon facing, and super isolated on quiet a cul-de-sac. But it was toe-up-from-the-floor-up. It would’ve required $30K to make liveable or $50K to bring it up to my standards.

I ended up buying a condo in Mission Valley last year.

http://piggington.com/would_you_have_pulled_the_trigger

I’m disappointed it’s not North/South Park, but it has a huge garage, and lives like a SFR. Overall, I’m happy with the purchase.

My point is that you can afford to be patient because it will be a buyer’s market for some time to come
– There is no reason to expect interest rates to be raised much, if at all, in the next year.
– Banks can’t stem the tide of foreclosures forever. http://piggington.com/the_many_faces_of_shadow_inventory

Good luck…

[weberlin]

Overpriced.

If it sold for $360K in 2004, you shouldn’t pay much more than that now.

I can understand your desire to live in the area. I was seriously contemplating a $350K REO on Whaley Ave. in 2008. 3/2, 1300 Sq ft, and it was canyon facing, and super isolated on quiet a cul-de-sac. But it was toe-up-from-the-floor-up. It would’ve required $30K to make liveable or $50K to bring it up to my standards.

I ended up buying a condo in Mission Valley last year.

http://piggington.com/would_you_have_pulled_the_trigger

I’m disappointed it’s not North/South Park, but it has a huge garage, and lives like a SFR. Overall, I’m happy with the purchase.

My point is that you can afford to be patient because it will be a buyer’s market for some time to come
– There is no reason to expect interest rates to be raised much, if at all, in the next year.
– Banks can’t stem the tide of foreclosures forever. http://piggington.com/the_many_faces_of_shadow_inventory

Good luck…

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