[urbanrealtor]

Yeah cuz the internet is not mainstream.

If they were that big on the net, they would be picked up by the scary MSM.

The news is a lens, not an agent.

Thats why piggington was mentioned in the NY times.

[urbanrealtor]

Yeah cuz the internet is not mainstream.

If they were that big on the net, they would be picked up by the scary MSM.

The news is a lens, not an agent.

Thats why piggington was mentioned in the NY times.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=cooprider][quote=svelte]
That must mean other parties, and probably mostly Independents, have been making the biggest gains.[/quote]

Yeah, too bad there aren’t any other parties.

Oh, wait…that’s right, there are, MSM just pretends they don’t exist.
[/quote]

As well as the voting public.

You can bitch about the messenger if you like but the message is still that as of this election, there is not a strong 3rd party candidate. But please, be my guest and split the right. It would make me very happy.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=cooprider][quote=svelte]
That must mean other parties, and probably mostly Independents, have been making the biggest gains.[/quote]

Yeah, too bad there aren’t any other parties.

Oh, wait…that’s right, there are, MSM just pretends they don’t exist.
[/quote]

As well as the voting public.

You can bitch about the messenger if you like but the message is still that as of this election, there is not a strong 3rd party candidate. But please, be my guest and split the right. It would make me very happy.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=cooprider][quote=svelte]
That must mean other parties, and probably mostly Independents, have been making the biggest gains.[/quote]

Yeah, too bad there aren’t any other parties.

Oh, wait…that’s right, there are, MSM just pretends they don’t exist.
[/quote]

As well as the voting public.

You can bitch about the messenger if you like but the message is still that as of this election, there is not a strong 3rd party candidate. But please, be my guest and split the right. It would make me very happy.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=cooprider][quote=svelte]
That must mean other parties, and probably mostly Independents, have been making the biggest gains.[/quote]

Yeah, too bad there aren’t any other parties.

Oh, wait…that’s right, there are, MSM just pretends they don’t exist.
[/quote]

As well as the voting public.

You can bitch about the messenger if you like but the message is still that as of this election, there is not a strong 3rd party candidate. But please, be my guest and split the right. It would make me very happy.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=cooprider][quote=svelte]
That must mean other parties, and probably mostly Independents, have been making the biggest gains.[/quote]

Yeah, too bad there aren’t any other parties.

Oh, wait…that’s right, there are, MSM just pretends they don’t exist.
[/quote]

As well as the voting public.

You can bitch about the messenger if you like but the message is still that as of this election, there is not a strong 3rd party candidate. But please, be my guest and split the right. It would make me very happy.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=asianautica][quote=urbanrealtor]
I am not saying its impossible but again, I dare you to show me an example that takes place in the last 10 to 20 years.[/quote]
I know quite a few people who came here 15-27 years ago (a little longer than your 20 years limit) with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. Now, they are either engineers, doctors, business owners of businesses that employ as much as 400+ people and have multi-million $ profit. They made it because of hard work, extreme frugality, and great support from family and friends. When your family and friends also have nothing or just a little more than you, but willing to help each other to succeed together, you can go a long way. Also, they did receive government assistance when they first came. However, they try their darnedest to get off it ASAP, through education and frugality. So yes, it’s still doable today to go from rags to riches in America. All it takes is the right mindset.[/quote]

I respect and agree with your point, however, it proves mine. Per your description, they used government assistance.

I suspect many of them had government aid or government backed loans in college (like many people do).

I very much respect that people work hard but the assertion that I (or anyone else) should not contribute or should be exempt from wealth redistribution because we never needed it is almost universally a false one.

Let me ask, did they have the degrees when they got here or did they get them here?

If they already had the education (or their parents did) thats not coming with just clothes. Thats coming with education and skills but starting with small bank accounts. Not exactly rags to riches.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=asianautica][quote=urbanrealtor]
I am not saying its impossible but again, I dare you to show me an example that takes place in the last 10 to 20 years.[/quote]
I know quite a few people who came here 15-27 years ago (a little longer than your 20 years limit) with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. Now, they are either engineers, doctors, business owners of businesses that employ as much as 400+ people and have multi-million $ profit. They made it because of hard work, extreme frugality, and great support from family and friends. When your family and friends also have nothing or just a little more than you, but willing to help each other to succeed together, you can go a long way. Also, they did receive government assistance when they first came. However, they try their darnedest to get off it ASAP, through education and frugality. So yes, it’s still doable today to go from rags to riches in America. All it takes is the right mindset.[/quote]

I respect and agree with your point, however, it proves mine. Per your description, they used government assistance.

I suspect many of them had government aid or government backed loans in college (like many people do).

I very much respect that people work hard but the assertion that I (or anyone else) should not contribute or should be exempt from wealth redistribution because we never needed it is almost universally a false one.

Let me ask, did they have the degrees when they got here or did they get them here?

If they already had the education (or their parents did) thats not coming with just clothes. Thats coming with education and skills but starting with small bank accounts. Not exactly rags to riches.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=asianautica][quote=urbanrealtor]
I am not saying its impossible but again, I dare you to show me an example that takes place in the last 10 to 20 years.[/quote]
I know quite a few people who came here 15-27 years ago (a little longer than your 20 years limit) with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. Now, they are either engineers, doctors, business owners of businesses that employ as much as 400+ people and have multi-million $ profit. They made it because of hard work, extreme frugality, and great support from family and friends. When your family and friends also have nothing or just a little more than you, but willing to help each other to succeed together, you can go a long way. Also, they did receive government assistance when they first came. However, they try their darnedest to get off it ASAP, through education and frugality. So yes, it’s still doable today to go from rags to riches in America. All it takes is the right mindset.[/quote]

I respect and agree with your point, however, it proves mine. Per your description, they used government assistance.

I suspect many of them had government aid or government backed loans in college (like many people do).

I very much respect that people work hard but the assertion that I (or anyone else) should not contribute or should be exempt from wealth redistribution because we never needed it is almost universally a false one.

Let me ask, did they have the degrees when they got here or did they get them here?

If they already had the education (or their parents did) thats not coming with just clothes. Thats coming with education and skills but starting with small bank accounts. Not exactly rags to riches.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=asianautica][quote=urbanrealtor]
I am not saying its impossible but again, I dare you to show me an example that takes place in the last 10 to 20 years.[/quote]
I know quite a few people who came here 15-27 years ago (a little longer than your 20 years limit) with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. Now, they are either engineers, doctors, business owners of businesses that employ as much as 400+ people and have multi-million $ profit. They made it because of hard work, extreme frugality, and great support from family and friends. When your family and friends also have nothing or just a little more than you, but willing to help each other to succeed together, you can go a long way. Also, they did receive government assistance when they first came. However, they try their darnedest to get off it ASAP, through education and frugality. So yes, it’s still doable today to go from rags to riches in America. All it takes is the right mindset.[/quote]

I respect and agree with your point, however, it proves mine. Per your description, they used government assistance.

I suspect many of them had government aid or government backed loans in college (like many people do).

I very much respect that people work hard but the assertion that I (or anyone else) should not contribute or should be exempt from wealth redistribution because we never needed it is almost universally a false one.

Let me ask, did they have the degrees when they got here or did they get them here?

If they already had the education (or their parents did) thats not coming with just clothes. Thats coming with education and skills but starting with small bank accounts. Not exactly rags to riches.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=asianautica][quote=urbanrealtor]
I am not saying its impossible but again, I dare you to show me an example that takes place in the last 10 to 20 years.[/quote]
I know quite a few people who came here 15-27 years ago (a little longer than your 20 years limit) with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. Now, they are either engineers, doctors, business owners of businesses that employ as much as 400+ people and have multi-million $ profit. They made it because of hard work, extreme frugality, and great support from family and friends. When your family and friends also have nothing or just a little more than you, but willing to help each other to succeed together, you can go a long way. Also, they did receive government assistance when they first came. However, they try their darnedest to get off it ASAP, through education and frugality. So yes, it’s still doable today to go from rags to riches in America. All it takes is the right mindset.[/quote]

I respect and agree with your point, however, it proves mine. Per your description, they used government assistance.

I suspect many of them had government aid or government backed loans in college (like many people do).

I very much respect that people work hard but the assertion that I (or anyone else) should not contribute or should be exempt from wealth redistribution because we never needed it is almost universally a false one.

Let me ask, did they have the degrees when they got here or did they get them here?

If they already had the education (or their parents did) thats not coming with just clothes. Thats coming with education and skills but starting with small bank accounts. Not exactly rags to riches.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=raptorduck]

As for the “better brain” dialog. Perseverance, determination, and motivation are more valuable than genius, talent, and skill. It is true that you did nothing to get your genius, but struggle gives you the more valuable gifts anyway. The world is full of underachieving geniuses and educated derelicts. I am no genius, but I if you are twice as smart and I work 10 times as hard, I may just end up ahead.[/quote]

Yeah you’re a real hero, all right.

I consider it unlikely that you could do the same thing today, without government assistance.

FYI, college aid is government assistance.

The cheap food we have in the US is priced based on government assistance to food producers (thats why California exports Valencia oranges to Valencia Spain).

The cheap gas we have in the US is considered by most of the world’s economists to be effectively subsidized since the cost of vehicles to roads and infrastructure is largely hidden from drivers.

At a more broad and general level, the stable market that is the heart of American prosperity is facilitated by the government.

All of these programs are paid for with taxes. Your taxes.

I dare you to show me how a poor kid today could have the fairy-tale life you describe without government assistance.

I am not saying its impossible but again, I dare you to show me an example that takes place in the last 10 to 20 years.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=raptorduck]

As for the “better brain” dialog. Perseverance, determination, and motivation are more valuable than genius, talent, and skill. It is true that you did nothing to get your genius, but struggle gives you the more valuable gifts anyway. The world is full of underachieving geniuses and educated derelicts. I am no genius, but I if you are twice as smart and I work 10 times as hard, I may just end up ahead.[/quote]

Yeah you’re a real hero, all right.

I consider it unlikely that you could do the same thing today, without government assistance.

FYI, college aid is government assistance.

The cheap food we have in the US is priced based on government assistance to food producers (thats why California exports Valencia oranges to Valencia Spain).

The cheap gas we have in the US is considered by most of the world’s economists to be effectively subsidized since the cost of vehicles to roads and infrastructure is largely hidden from drivers.

At a more broad and general level, the stable market that is the heart of American prosperity is facilitated by the government.

All of these programs are paid for with taxes. Your taxes.

I dare you to show me how a poor kid today could have the fairy-tale life you describe without government assistance.

I am not saying its impossible but again, I dare you to show me an example that takes place in the last 10 to 20 years.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=raptorduck]

As for the “better brain” dialog. Perseverance, determination, and motivation are more valuable than genius, talent, and skill. It is true that you did nothing to get your genius, but struggle gives you the more valuable gifts anyway. The world is full of underachieving geniuses and educated derelicts. I am no genius, but I if you are twice as smart and I work 10 times as hard, I may just end up ahead.[/quote]

Yeah you’re a real hero, all right.

I consider it unlikely that you could do the same thing today, without government assistance.

FYI, college aid is government assistance.

The cheap food we have in the US is priced based on government assistance to food producers (thats why California exports Valencia oranges to Valencia Spain).

The cheap gas we have in the US is considered by most of the world’s economists to be effectively subsidized since the cost of vehicles to roads and infrastructure is largely hidden from drivers.

At a more broad and general level, the stable market that is the heart of American prosperity is facilitated by the government.

All of these programs are paid for with taxes. Your taxes.

I dare you to show me how a poor kid today could have the fairy-tale life you describe without government assistance.

I am not saying its impossible but again, I dare you to show me an example that takes place in the last 10 to 20 years.

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