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June 4, 2009 at 4:39 PM in reply to: San Diego Fire Chief retires at 53 with $123K/yr pension for life… #411104June 4, 2009 at 4:39 PM in reply to: San Diego Fire Chief retires at 53 with $123K/yr pension for life… #411168
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ParticipantYes, police officers have shorter lifespans usually because of stress, unusual working hours, alcoholism/addiction as a result of the job, etc.
The study that was referenced indicated fumes and chemicals more than stress. As in all things pigg.. bring/present evidence. As I mentioned before, both the job of a fireman and police officer involved long periods of boredom punctuated by brief periods of panic/stress. Military people have a much more stressful life in times of war than either fire or police. In the case of the military, the other guy is trying to really kill you and often has military specific training to do it.
And yes, school teacher is more stressful than police because the school teacher is forbidden from protecting themselves (no gun, if you strike back when stricken – you get sued/fired – check out assaults against teachers), depending on locale, not every kid is interested in learning. Inner city schools are the worst because you are almost in the middle of an armed camp.
It is one of the most stressful, depressing, and difficult jobs out there.
Not exactly.. but I also do know that some of the stress is the stress they create themselves. Many police officers have a them vs us mentality.. not healthy.
June 4, 2009 at 4:39 PM in reply to: San Diego Fire Chief retires at 53 with $123K/yr pension for life… #411321ParticipantYes, police officers have shorter lifespans usually because of stress, unusual working hours, alcoholism/addiction as a result of the job, etc.
The study that was referenced indicated fumes and chemicals more than stress. As in all things pigg.. bring/present evidence. As I mentioned before, both the job of a fireman and police officer involved long periods of boredom punctuated by brief periods of panic/stress. Military people have a much more stressful life in times of war than either fire or police. In the case of the military, the other guy is trying to really kill you and often has military specific training to do it.
And yes, school teacher is more stressful than police because the school teacher is forbidden from protecting themselves (no gun, if you strike back when stricken – you get sued/fired – check out assaults against teachers), depending on locale, not every kid is interested in learning. Inner city schools are the worst because you are almost in the middle of an armed camp.
It is one of the most stressful, depressing, and difficult jobs out there.
Not exactly.. but I also do know that some of the stress is the stress they create themselves. Many police officers have a them vs us mentality.. not healthy.
June 3, 2009 at 11:18 AM in reply to: San Diego Fire Chief retires at 53 with $123K/yr pension for life… #409758Participantmy experience is that most people running large organizations got there (and are making the 250k-350k salaries you mention or even more) not because no one else wanted or could do the job, but because they were good at working the politics and self promoting. Often the best in our companies do not receive the recognition or the pay they deserve while the manipulative do. Just my experience though.
And it is even more so in the public sector.. because if there is a screw-up.. we just raise the taxes. Consequences on bureaucratic mistakes are less, so the system doesn’t ‘self-correct’ as well. Bad CEOs are removed when their company goes bankrupt of the stockholders/directors vote them out. In the public sector, it tends to be a different story — promoted diagonally.
June 3, 2009 at 11:18 AM in reply to: San Diego Fire Chief retires at 53 with $123K/yr pension for life… #409996Participantmy experience is that most people running large organizations got there (and are making the 250k-350k salaries you mention or even more) not because no one else wanted or could do the job, but because they were good at working the politics and self promoting. Often the best in our companies do not receive the recognition or the pay they deserve while the manipulative do. Just my experience though.
And it is even more so in the public sector.. because if there is a screw-up.. we just raise the taxes. Consequences on bureaucratic mistakes are less, so the system doesn’t ‘self-correct’ as well. Bad CEOs are removed when their company goes bankrupt of the stockholders/directors vote them out. In the public sector, it tends to be a different story — promoted diagonally.
June 3, 2009 at 11:18 AM in reply to: San Diego Fire Chief retires at 53 with $123K/yr pension for life… #410243Participantmy experience is that most people running large organizations got there (and are making the 250k-350k salaries you mention or even more) not because no one else wanted or could do the job, but because they were good at working the politics and self promoting. Often the best in our companies do not receive the recognition or the pay they deserve while the manipulative do. Just my experience though.
And it is even more so in the public sector.. because if there is a screw-up.. we just raise the taxes. Consequences on bureaucratic mistakes are less, so the system doesn’t ‘self-correct’ as well. Bad CEOs are removed when their company goes bankrupt of the stockholders/directors vote them out. In the public sector, it tends to be a different story — promoted diagonally.
June 3, 2009 at 11:18 AM in reply to: San Diego Fire Chief retires at 53 with $123K/yr pension for life… #410306Participantmy experience is that most people running large organizations got there (and are making the 250k-350k salaries you mention or even more) not because no one else wanted or could do the job, but because they were good at working the politics and self promoting. Often the best in our companies do not receive the recognition or the pay they deserve while the manipulative do. Just my experience though.
And it is even more so in the public sector.. because if there is a screw-up.. we just raise the taxes. Consequences on bureaucratic mistakes are less, so the system doesn’t ‘self-correct’ as well. Bad CEOs are removed when their company goes bankrupt of the stockholders/directors vote them out. In the public sector, it tends to be a different story — promoted diagonally.
June 3, 2009 at 11:18 AM in reply to: San Diego Fire Chief retires at 53 with $123K/yr pension for life… #410458Participantmy experience is that most people running large organizations got there (and are making the 250k-350k salaries you mention or even more) not because no one else wanted or could do the job, but because they were good at working the politics and self promoting. Often the best in our companies do not receive the recognition or the pay they deserve while the manipulative do. Just my experience though.
And it is even more so in the public sector.. because if there is a screw-up.. we just raise the taxes. Consequences on bureaucratic mistakes are less, so the system doesn’t ‘self-correct’ as well. Bad CEOs are removed when their company goes bankrupt of the stockholders/directors vote them out. In the public sector, it tends to be a different story — promoted diagonally.
June 3, 2009 at 11:08 AM in reply to: San Diego Fire Chief retires at 53 with $123K/yr pension for life… #409748ParticipantA CEO of a 1000 employee company (about the size of the San Diego firefighting force) probably would make at LEAST about 100K more per year than she did in terms of salary (and more likely, significantly more – and for what, in my opinion, is a lot less responsibility).
Why are we comparing their salaries to other salaries that we generally consider excessive.. like CEOs..??
1) Public sector positions are virtually guaranteed for life, private sector jobs aren’t.
2) With a private sector job, a mistake can destroy the company. With a public sector job, a mistake means that taxes are likely to be raised.. Higher job risk on the private sector.
3) Public sector jobs ‘maintain’ a status quo (they are in a guaranteed market). Private sector jobs have to innovate and fight to get their niche in the market place.People make a big deal on risks to the lives of police. The reality is that it is described as being hours of boredom broking by seconds of sheer terror. The whole working day of a police officer is not the sheer terror.. This is also why you see so many police cars in a chase.. most of them are bored and this is some excitement.
As for survivability, I would like to see references to the studies.. By the way, life expectancy for whites is 78 for white, 73 for black (a 5 year deviation right there and 7 was mentioned.. making it 70?.. which is after retirement anyway). White male is 75.7, white female is 80.8..
June 3, 2009 at 11:08 AM in reply to: San Diego Fire Chief retires at 53 with $123K/yr pension for life… #409986ParticipantA CEO of a 1000 employee company (about the size of the San Diego firefighting force) probably would make at LEAST about 100K more per year than she did in terms of salary (and more likely, significantly more – and for what, in my opinion, is a lot less responsibility).
Why are we comparing their salaries to other salaries that we generally consider excessive.. like CEOs..??
1) Public sector positions are virtually guaranteed for life, private sector jobs aren’t.
2) With a private sector job, a mistake can destroy the company. With a public sector job, a mistake means that taxes are likely to be raised.. Higher job risk on the private sector.
3) Public sector jobs ‘maintain’ a status quo (they are in a guaranteed market). Private sector jobs have to innovate and fight to get their niche in the market place.People make a big deal on risks to the lives of police. The reality is that it is described as being hours of boredom broking by seconds of sheer terror. The whole working day of a police officer is not the sheer terror.. This is also why you see so many police cars in a chase.. most of them are bored and this is some excitement.
As for survivability, I would like to see references to the studies.. By the way, life expectancy for whites is 78 for white, 73 for black (a 5 year deviation right there and 7 was mentioned.. making it 70?.. which is after retirement anyway). White male is 75.7, white female is 80.8..
June 3, 2009 at 11:08 AM in reply to: San Diego Fire Chief retires at 53 with $123K/yr pension for life… #410233ParticipantA CEO of a 1000 employee company (about the size of the San Diego firefighting force) probably would make at LEAST about 100K more per year than she did in terms of salary (and more likely, significantly more – and for what, in my opinion, is a lot less responsibility).
Why are we comparing their salaries to other salaries that we generally consider excessive.. like CEOs..??
1) Public sector positions are virtually guaranteed for life, private sector jobs aren’t.
2) With a private sector job, a mistake can destroy the company. With a public sector job, a mistake means that taxes are likely to be raised.. Higher job risk on the private sector.
3) Public sector jobs ‘maintain’ a status quo (they are in a guaranteed market). Private sector jobs have to innovate and fight to get their niche in the market place.People make a big deal on risks to the lives of police. The reality is that it is described as being hours of boredom broking by seconds of sheer terror. The whole working day of a police officer is not the sheer terror.. This is also why you see so many police cars in a chase.. most of them are bored and this is some excitement.
As for survivability, I would like to see references to the studies.. By the way, life expectancy for whites is 78 for white, 73 for black (a 5 year deviation right there and 7 was mentioned.. making it 70?.. which is after retirement anyway). White male is 75.7, white female is 80.8..
June 3, 2009 at 11:08 AM in reply to: San Diego Fire Chief retires at 53 with $123K/yr pension for life… #410296ParticipantA CEO of a 1000 employee company (about the size of the San Diego firefighting force) probably would make at LEAST about 100K more per year than she did in terms of salary (and more likely, significantly more – and for what, in my opinion, is a lot less responsibility).
Why are we comparing their salaries to other salaries that we generally consider excessive.. like CEOs..??
1) Public sector positions are virtually guaranteed for life, private sector jobs aren’t.
2) With a private sector job, a mistake can destroy the company. With a public sector job, a mistake means that taxes are likely to be raised.. Higher job risk on the private sector.
3) Public sector jobs ‘maintain’ a status quo (they are in a guaranteed market). Private sector jobs have to innovate and fight to get their niche in the market place.People make a big deal on risks to the lives of police. The reality is that it is described as being hours of boredom broking by seconds of sheer terror. The whole working day of a police officer is not the sheer terror.. This is also why you see so many police cars in a chase.. most of them are bored and this is some excitement.
As for survivability, I would like to see references to the studies.. By the way, life expectancy for whites is 78 for white, 73 for black (a 5 year deviation right there and 7 was mentioned.. making it 70?.. which is after retirement anyway). White male is 75.7, white female is 80.8..
June 3, 2009 at 11:08 AM in reply to: San Diego Fire Chief retires at 53 with $123K/yr pension for life… #410447ParticipantA CEO of a 1000 employee company (about the size of the San Diego firefighting force) probably would make at LEAST about 100K more per year than she did in terms of salary (and more likely, significantly more – and for what, in my opinion, is a lot less responsibility).
Why are we comparing their salaries to other salaries that we generally consider excessive.. like CEOs..??
1) Public sector positions are virtually guaranteed for life, private sector jobs aren’t.
2) With a private sector job, a mistake can destroy the company. With a public sector job, a mistake means that taxes are likely to be raised.. Higher job risk on the private sector.
3) Public sector jobs ‘maintain’ a status quo (they are in a guaranteed market). Private sector jobs have to innovate and fight to get their niche in the market place.People make a big deal on risks to the lives of police. The reality is that it is described as being hours of boredom broking by seconds of sheer terror. The whole working day of a police officer is not the sheer terror.. This is also why you see so many police cars in a chase.. most of them are bored and this is some excitement.
As for survivability, I would like to see references to the studies.. By the way, life expectancy for whites is 78 for white, 73 for black (a 5 year deviation right there and 7 was mentioned.. making it 70?.. which is after retirement anyway). White male is 75.7, white female is 80.8..
ParticipantI suspect the ‘support’ we are seeing is the closing of short positions. The ‘Wall Streeters’ like their summer breaks (not all take them though) and most of them don’t like open positions when they are on a break (particularly margined and short positions). I suspect that after June, we may get volatile because many of the ‘players’ will have left for the summer, so overall volume will be weak and it will be easy for the remaining players to move the market.
That said, it may also depend upon how well the ‘Wall Street’ players did during the year.. on whether many do take the summer break…. in the Hamptons…
ParticipantI suspect the ‘support’ we are seeing is the closing of short positions. The ‘Wall Streeters’ like their summer breaks (not all take them though) and most of them don’t like open positions when they are on a break (particularly margined and short positions). I suspect that after June, we may get volatile because many of the ‘players’ will have left for the summer, so overall volume will be weak and it will be easy for the remaining players to move the market.
That said, it may also depend upon how well the ‘Wall Street’ players did during the year.. on whether many do take the summer break…. in the Hamptons…
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