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All of the differences are based upon the fact that one person obeys the labor and tax laws, and the other does not. Immigration status really doesn’t give Jose any sort of advantage. Joe could choose to be “illegal” also, even though he is a citizen. For example, Joe could choose to get paid under the table, or choose not pay for car insurance either. (And lots of Joes do just this.)

Except that being a Mexican citizen, Jose could just head home. No extradition treaty with Mexico. Later Jose could head back over the border as ‘Manuel’, and no ones the wiser.

There is definitely a problem with a lot of Joe(s) taking money under the table. The fact that a lot do, does not make it right nor does it make the problem that Jose causes any less.

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All of the differences are based upon the fact that one person obeys the labor and tax laws, and the other does not. Immigration status really doesn’t give Jose any sort of advantage. Joe could choose to be “illegal” also, even though he is a citizen. For example, Joe could choose to get paid under the table, or choose not pay for car insurance either. (And lots of Joes do just this.)

Except that being a Mexican citizen, Jose could just head home. No extradition treaty with Mexico. Later Jose could head back over the border as ‘Manuel’, and no ones the wiser.

There is definitely a problem with a lot of Joe(s) taking money under the table. The fact that a lot do, does not make it right nor does it make the problem that Jose causes any less.

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All of the differences are based upon the fact that one person obeys the labor and tax laws, and the other does not. Immigration status really doesn’t give Jose any sort of advantage. Joe could choose to be “illegal” also, even though he is a citizen. For example, Joe could choose to get paid under the table, or choose not pay for car insurance either. (And lots of Joes do just this.)

Except that being a Mexican citizen, Jose could just head home. No extradition treaty with Mexico. Later Jose could head back over the border as ‘Manuel’, and no ones the wiser.

There is definitely a problem with a lot of Joe(s) taking money under the table. The fact that a lot do, does not make it right nor does it make the problem that Jose causes any less.

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There’s absolutely no way a family with a $52,000 income would pay 30% in taxes. They’d pay $2000, tops (4%), in federal and state taxes combined.

Wrong:
Social Security = 6.2% for both employer and employee (total 12.4%)
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/OACT/ProgData/taxRates.html
Fed Income tax rate @ 52k = 15%(on amount above 16,700) + $802.5 = 13.39% – I used married filing jointly @ 2009, but did not place deductions.
http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm
California state marginal tax rate for $52K is 9.3%. Total tax is $2531.35 = 4.9%
http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_statetaxrate_ca.html

Total tax rate is 6.2% + 13.39% + 4.9% = 24.49% (not including San Diego local tax (about 1%), not including property tax (about 1%) and health insurance. It also does not account for AGI adjustment for deductions – largest is mortgage interest deduction (which may drop him a state bracket but not a fed tax bracket, you can only deduct the interest not the principal) Nor does this take into account sales tax on virtually everything that Joe Legal buys (varying from location to location, but generally around 8%).

In reality, Jose Illegal will get $6/hour under the table working full time (if he does not want to work for that kind of money – there are lots out there who do).

During the real estate bubble – the illegals were getting more than $15/hour. In 1976, apprentice carpenters were making $15/hour, and journeymen were making a lot more.

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There’s absolutely no way a family with a $52,000 income would pay 30% in taxes. They’d pay $2000, tops (4%), in federal and state taxes combined.

Wrong:
Social Security = 6.2% for both employer and employee (total 12.4%)
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/OACT/ProgData/taxRates.html
Fed Income tax rate @ 52k = 15%(on amount above 16,700) + $802.5 = 13.39% – I used married filing jointly @ 2009, but did not place deductions.
http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm
California state marginal tax rate for $52K is 9.3%. Total tax is $2531.35 = 4.9%
http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_statetaxrate_ca.html

Total tax rate is 6.2% + 13.39% + 4.9% = 24.49% (not including San Diego local tax (about 1%), not including property tax (about 1%) and health insurance. It also does not account for AGI adjustment for deductions – largest is mortgage interest deduction (which may drop him a state bracket but not a fed tax bracket, you can only deduct the interest not the principal) Nor does this take into account sales tax on virtually everything that Joe Legal buys (varying from location to location, but generally around 8%).

In reality, Jose Illegal will get $6/hour under the table working full time (if he does not want to work for that kind of money – there are lots out there who do).

During the real estate bubble – the illegals were getting more than $15/hour. In 1976, apprentice carpenters were making $15/hour, and journeymen were making a lot more.

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There’s absolutely no way a family with a $52,000 income would pay 30% in taxes. They’d pay $2000, tops (4%), in federal and state taxes combined.

Wrong:
Social Security = 6.2% for both employer and employee (total 12.4%)
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/OACT/ProgData/taxRates.html
Fed Income tax rate @ 52k = 15%(on amount above 16,700) + $802.5 = 13.39% – I used married filing jointly @ 2009, but did not place deductions.
http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm
California state marginal tax rate for $52K is 9.3%. Total tax is $2531.35 = 4.9%
http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_statetaxrate_ca.html

Total tax rate is 6.2% + 13.39% + 4.9% = 24.49% (not including San Diego local tax (about 1%), not including property tax (about 1%) and health insurance. It also does not account for AGI adjustment for deductions – largest is mortgage interest deduction (which may drop him a state bracket but not a fed tax bracket, you can only deduct the interest not the principal) Nor does this take into account sales tax on virtually everything that Joe Legal buys (varying from location to location, but generally around 8%).

In reality, Jose Illegal will get $6/hour under the table working full time (if he does not want to work for that kind of money – there are lots out there who do).

During the real estate bubble – the illegals were getting more than $15/hour. In 1976, apprentice carpenters were making $15/hour, and journeymen were making a lot more.

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There’s absolutely no way a family with a $52,000 income would pay 30% in taxes. They’d pay $2000, tops (4%), in federal and state taxes combined.

Wrong:
Social Security = 6.2% for both employer and employee (total 12.4%)
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/OACT/ProgData/taxRates.html
Fed Income tax rate @ 52k = 15%(on amount above 16,700) + $802.5 = 13.39% – I used married filing jointly @ 2009, but did not place deductions.
http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm
California state marginal tax rate for $52K is 9.3%. Total tax is $2531.35 = 4.9%
http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_statetaxrate_ca.html

Total tax rate is 6.2% + 13.39% + 4.9% = 24.49% (not including San Diego local tax (about 1%), not including property tax (about 1%) and health insurance. It also does not account for AGI adjustment for deductions – largest is mortgage interest deduction (which may drop him a state bracket but not a fed tax bracket, you can only deduct the interest not the principal) Nor does this take into account sales tax on virtually everything that Joe Legal buys (varying from location to location, but generally around 8%).

In reality, Jose Illegal will get $6/hour under the table working full time (if he does not want to work for that kind of money – there are lots out there who do).

During the real estate bubble – the illegals were getting more than $15/hour. In 1976, apprentice carpenters were making $15/hour, and journeymen were making a lot more.

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There’s absolutely no way a family with a $52,000 income would pay 30% in taxes. They’d pay $2000, tops (4%), in federal and state taxes combined.

Wrong:
Social Security = 6.2% for both employer and employee (total 12.4%)
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/OACT/ProgData/taxRates.html
Fed Income tax rate @ 52k = 15%(on amount above 16,700) + $802.5 = 13.39% – I used married filing jointly @ 2009, but did not place deductions.
http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm
California state marginal tax rate for $52K is 9.3%. Total tax is $2531.35 = 4.9%
http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_statetaxrate_ca.html

Total tax rate is 6.2% + 13.39% + 4.9% = 24.49% (not including San Diego local tax (about 1%), not including property tax (about 1%) and health insurance. It also does not account for AGI adjustment for deductions – largest is mortgage interest deduction (which may drop him a state bracket but not a fed tax bracket, you can only deduct the interest not the principal) Nor does this take into account sales tax on virtually everything that Joe Legal buys (varying from location to location, but generally around 8%).

In reality, Jose Illegal will get $6/hour under the table working full time (if he does not want to work for that kind of money – there are lots out there who do).

During the real estate bubble – the illegals were getting more than $15/hour. In 1976, apprentice carpenters were making $15/hour, and journeymen were making a lot more.

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If Jose is illegal, how is he eligible for food stamps or federal rent subsidy?

If Jose has a child with ‘Miranda’ in the U.S., they are now eligible because the child is a citizen by birth — Anchor baby..

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If Jose is illegal, how is he eligible for food stamps or federal rent subsidy?

If Jose has a child with ‘Miranda’ in the U.S., they are now eligible because the child is a citizen by birth — Anchor baby..

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If Jose is illegal, how is he eligible for food stamps or federal rent subsidy?

If Jose has a child with ‘Miranda’ in the U.S., they are now eligible because the child is a citizen by birth — Anchor baby..

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If Jose is illegal, how is he eligible for food stamps or federal rent subsidy?

If Jose has a child with ‘Miranda’ in the U.S., they are now eligible because the child is a citizen by birth — Anchor baby..

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If Jose is illegal, how is he eligible for food stamps or federal rent subsidy?

If Jose has a child with ‘Miranda’ in the U.S., they are now eligible because the child is a citizen by birth — Anchor baby..

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I see it over and over again where average Joe will more than will pay top dollar for a move in ready home vs one that need remodel. Many people won’t even consider a house that need work.

To some extent, you may also want to look towards the realtors on this as well as ‘conditioning’. I wonder how many women want to deal with the ‘fixing up’ of a property. I think this also may be part of the equation.

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I see it over and over again where average Joe will more than will pay top dollar for a move in ready home vs one that need remodel. Many people won’t even consider a house that need work.

To some extent, you may also want to look towards the realtors on this as well as ‘conditioning’. I wonder how many women want to deal with the ‘fixing up’ of a property. I think this also may be part of the equation.

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