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I think that during these tight time, local government is closing libraries, parks and cutting back education to rile-up the soccer moms with children.

I tend to agree with you. They politicos are playing a brinksmanship game. Notice how they are also scaling down the fire departments? There a difference between the ‘engines’ and the ‘ladder’ trucks at a fire station. The number of active ‘engines’ is being reduced, but not the other equipment.

What is the difference? The ‘engine’ in a fire station carries the high volume water pumps, several hundred feet of hose including several tens of feet of large feed hose (3 inch and above) as well as having about 100 to 500 gallons of water on board. Its kind of critical when trying to put out fires…

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I think that during these tight time, local government is closing libraries, parks and cutting back education to rile-up the soccer moms with children.

I tend to agree with you. They politicos are playing a brinksmanship game. Notice how they are also scaling down the fire departments? There a difference between the ‘engines’ and the ‘ladder’ trucks at a fire station. The number of active ‘engines’ is being reduced, but not the other equipment.

What is the difference? The ‘engine’ in a fire station carries the high volume water pumps, several hundred feet of hose including several tens of feet of large feed hose (3 inch and above) as well as having about 100 to 500 gallons of water on board. Its kind of critical when trying to put out fires…

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I think that during these tight time, local government is closing libraries, parks and cutting back education to rile-up the soccer moms with children.

I tend to agree with you. They politicos are playing a brinksmanship game. Notice how they are also scaling down the fire departments? There a difference between the ‘engines’ and the ‘ladder’ trucks at a fire station. The number of active ‘engines’ is being reduced, but not the other equipment.

What is the difference? The ‘engine’ in a fire station carries the high volume water pumps, several hundred feet of hose including several tens of feet of large feed hose (3 inch and above) as well as having about 100 to 500 gallons of water on board. Its kind of critical when trying to put out fires…

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One reason we have all the financial speculation and innovation of late is because of those who can try to convert ordinary income to capital gains in order to lower their taxes.

Wrong.. remember that dividends have partial tax exempt status – and they are tied to real production. The financial speculation and ‘innovation’ was an attempt to ‘keep the party rolling’ and the part of wall-street and in part congress etc. You have to hold an asset for 1 year to get the lower capital gains rate (except for houses). There was no ‘converting’ of income to capital gains.. there was just ‘partying’..

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One reason we have all the financial speculation and innovation of late is because of those who can try to convert ordinary income to capital gains in order to lower their taxes.

Wrong.. remember that dividends have partial tax exempt status – and they are tied to real production. The financial speculation and ‘innovation’ was an attempt to ‘keep the party rolling’ and the part of wall-street and in part congress etc. You have to hold an asset for 1 year to get the lower capital gains rate (except for houses). There was no ‘converting’ of income to capital gains.. there was just ‘partying’..

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One reason we have all the financial speculation and innovation of late is because of those who can try to convert ordinary income to capital gains in order to lower their taxes.

Wrong.. remember that dividends have partial tax exempt status – and they are tied to real production. The financial speculation and ‘innovation’ was an attempt to ‘keep the party rolling’ and the part of wall-street and in part congress etc. You have to hold an asset for 1 year to get the lower capital gains rate (except for houses). There was no ‘converting’ of income to capital gains.. there was just ‘partying’..

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One reason we have all the financial speculation and innovation of late is because of those who can try to convert ordinary income to capital gains in order to lower their taxes.

Wrong.. remember that dividends have partial tax exempt status – and they are tied to real production. The financial speculation and ‘innovation’ was an attempt to ‘keep the party rolling’ and the part of wall-street and in part congress etc. You have to hold an asset for 1 year to get the lower capital gains rate (except for houses). There was no ‘converting’ of income to capital gains.. there was just ‘partying’..

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One reason we have all the financial speculation and innovation of late is because of those who can try to convert ordinary income to capital gains in order to lower their taxes.

Wrong.. remember that dividends have partial tax exempt status – and they are tied to real production. The financial speculation and ‘innovation’ was an attempt to ‘keep the party rolling’ and the part of wall-street and in part congress etc. You have to hold an asset for 1 year to get the lower capital gains rate (except for houses). There was no ‘converting’ of income to capital gains.. there was just ‘partying’..

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Article I says, “Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes . . . [to] provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States . . . [and] to regulate commerce.”

So how is mandating that people buy a product “providing for the common defense and general welfare”? It looks more like the government is mandating that we take care of our own welfare and is mandating the mechanism by which we are to do it…

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Article I says, “Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes . . . [to] provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States . . . [and] to regulate commerce.”

So how is mandating that people buy a product “providing for the common defense and general welfare”? It looks more like the government is mandating that we take care of our own welfare and is mandating the mechanism by which we are to do it…

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Article I says, “Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes . . . [to] provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States . . . [and] to regulate commerce.”

So how is mandating that people buy a product “providing for the common defense and general welfare”? It looks more like the government is mandating that we take care of our own welfare and is mandating the mechanism by which we are to do it…

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Article I says, “Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes . . . [to] provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States . . . [and] to regulate commerce.”

So how is mandating that people buy a product “providing for the common defense and general welfare”? It looks more like the government is mandating that we take care of our own welfare and is mandating the mechanism by which we are to do it…

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Article I says, “Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes . . . [to] provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States . . . [and] to regulate commerce.”

So how is mandating that people buy a product “providing for the common defense and general welfare”? It looks more like the government is mandating that we take care of our own welfare and is mandating the mechanism by which we are to do it…

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I think that anyone should be allowed to buy insurance. But if the bill allowed unauthorized* immigrants to purchase insurance, then the Republicans would all be up in arms.

Weak statement.. the Republicans are already up at arms about the bill. Not explicitly blocking illegals from buying insurance despite their cost on the system will not change that..

I don’t understand why we want to exclude people who could contribute to the system.

Simple, and I said before. This bill is not about reducing costs.. it is about increasing insurance company profits by increasing the number of people paying in. It is an insurance company gimme.

* I prefer the word unauthorized immigrant rather than illegal or undocumented. It’s a more precise term, I believe.

Actually it isn’t many of them have no intent of becoming naturalized (they are supporting the rest of their family back home and would not go to the US if they could get a paying job in Mexico). I would say unauthorized non-citizen, or unauthorized alien would be more accurate if you are trying to ‘slant’ the statement while trying to be accurate. They are in the country illegally though, so by being unauthorized, they are also here illegally..

No brian – I mean under the bill, citizens are required to buy health insurance and immigrants are not required.

Actually, what I saw had them explicitly banned from buying health insurance.

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I think that anyone should be allowed to buy insurance. But if the bill allowed unauthorized* immigrants to purchase insurance, then the Republicans would all be up in arms.

Weak statement.. the Republicans are already up at arms about the bill. Not explicitly blocking illegals from buying insurance despite their cost on the system will not change that..

I don’t understand why we want to exclude people who could contribute to the system.

Simple, and I said before. This bill is not about reducing costs.. it is about increasing insurance company profits by increasing the number of people paying in. It is an insurance company gimme.

* I prefer the word unauthorized immigrant rather than illegal or undocumented. It’s a more precise term, I believe.

Actually it isn’t many of them have no intent of becoming naturalized (they are supporting the rest of their family back home and would not go to the US if they could get a paying job in Mexico). I would say unauthorized non-citizen, or unauthorized alien would be more accurate if you are trying to ‘slant’ the statement while trying to be accurate. They are in the country illegally though, so by being unauthorized, they are also here illegally..

No brian – I mean under the bill, citizens are required to buy health insurance and immigrants are not required.

Actually, what I saw had them explicitly banned from buying health insurance.

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