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Yes, as a consumer of the oil industry, I’m farther removed from the oil industry; so I have more leeway to criticize the oil industry than a government employee or contractor criticizing the hand that feeds.

Non-sequitur, does not follow, nor is it supported by facts presented or at hand.

As an employee, you draw a wage from the employer – you are a cost to the company. Hopefully you produce more than you cost.

As a consumer, you are a source of profit to the company. You have a choice of alternate products. You could choose to go electric and have your own solar farm. By choosing an industry, you are providing support for it.

From a standpoint of supporting an industry, a consumer is much more important that an employee. There has to be someone to sell the goods to.

[ucodegen]

Yes, as a consumer of the oil industry, I’m farther removed from the oil industry; so I have more leeway to criticize the oil industry than a government employee or contractor criticizing the hand that feeds.

Non-sequitur, does not follow, nor is it supported by facts presented or at hand.

As an employee, you draw a wage from the employer – you are a cost to the company. Hopefully you produce more than you cost.

As a consumer, you are a source of profit to the company. You have a choice of alternate products. You could choose to go electric and have your own solar farm. By choosing an industry, you are providing support for it.

From a standpoint of supporting an industry, a consumer is much more important that an employee. There has to be someone to sell the goods to.

[ucodegen]

Yes, as a consumer of the oil industry, I’m farther removed from the oil industry; so I have more leeway to criticize the oil industry than a government employee or contractor criticizing the hand that feeds.

Non-sequitur, does not follow, nor is it supported by facts presented or at hand.

As an employee, you draw a wage from the employer – you are a cost to the company. Hopefully you produce more than you cost.

As a consumer, you are a source of profit to the company. You have a choice of alternate products. You could choose to go electric and have your own solar farm. By choosing an industry, you are providing support for it.

From a standpoint of supporting an industry, a consumer is much more important that an employee. There has to be someone to sell the goods to.

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When the oil company operates a platform, it must have a fail-safe or contingency in case of an accident.

The explosion occurred and the fail-safe did not work.

There was minimal contingency (gov. inspectors must have liked their ‘presents’) and fail-safe was not properly implemented (discharged batteries discovered on the blowout preventer – and oh well, we’ll continue though it would fail daily inspection). I also wonder if the casing of the pipe was driven far enough into the ground to allow a good and secure seal between the pipe wall and rock strata that the pipe has been driven into.

There have been many attempts at plugging the gusher and none have worked. It’s been more than one month.

I disagree. There has been pseudo attempts and plenty of finger-pointing, spin and understating the amount of oil flowing out of the damaged pipe. The only things they have tried so far is to try to get the blowout preventer to trigger and to use some sort of siphon to pick up oil out of the pipe. Its like the amateur team was in charge. The pressure on those pipes can be in the 2000 to 5000 psi range. Putting what could amount to a ‘soda straw’ in the pipe will not accomplish anything at these pressures.

Now they are concerned that the oil is eroding the pipe. To do that, the flow rate would have to be considerably higher then 5000 barrels per day. So what is the truth BP??

Oil spill in the gulf?? Meh….. Bunch of librul whiners

BTW, as most people on the board should know.. I am no ‘liberal’. So lets keep the ‘liberal’/’conservative’ out of it.

[ucodegen]

When the oil company operates a platform, it must have a fail-safe or contingency in case of an accident.

The explosion occurred and the fail-safe did not work.

There was minimal contingency (gov. inspectors must have liked their ‘presents’) and fail-safe was not properly implemented (discharged batteries discovered on the blowout preventer – and oh well, we’ll continue though it would fail daily inspection). I also wonder if the casing of the pipe was driven far enough into the ground to allow a good and secure seal between the pipe wall and rock strata that the pipe has been driven into.

There have been many attempts at plugging the gusher and none have worked. It’s been more than one month.

I disagree. There has been pseudo attempts and plenty of finger-pointing, spin and understating the amount of oil flowing out of the damaged pipe. The only things they have tried so far is to try to get the blowout preventer to trigger and to use some sort of siphon to pick up oil out of the pipe. Its like the amateur team was in charge. The pressure on those pipes can be in the 2000 to 5000 psi range. Putting what could amount to a ‘soda straw’ in the pipe will not accomplish anything at these pressures.

Now they are concerned that the oil is eroding the pipe. To do that, the flow rate would have to be considerably higher then 5000 barrels per day. So what is the truth BP??

Oil spill in the gulf?? Meh….. Bunch of librul whiners

BTW, as most people on the board should know.. I am no ‘liberal’. So lets keep the ‘liberal’/’conservative’ out of it.

[ucodegen]

When the oil company operates a platform, it must have a fail-safe or contingency in case of an accident.

The explosion occurred and the fail-safe did not work.

There was minimal contingency (gov. inspectors must have liked their ‘presents’) and fail-safe was not properly implemented (discharged batteries discovered on the blowout preventer – and oh well, we’ll continue though it would fail daily inspection). I also wonder if the casing of the pipe was driven far enough into the ground to allow a good and secure seal between the pipe wall and rock strata that the pipe has been driven into.

There have been many attempts at plugging the gusher and none have worked. It’s been more than one month.

I disagree. There has been pseudo attempts and plenty of finger-pointing, spin and understating the amount of oil flowing out of the damaged pipe. The only things they have tried so far is to try to get the blowout preventer to trigger and to use some sort of siphon to pick up oil out of the pipe. Its like the amateur team was in charge. The pressure on those pipes can be in the 2000 to 5000 psi range. Putting what could amount to a ‘soda straw’ in the pipe will not accomplish anything at these pressures.

Now they are concerned that the oil is eroding the pipe. To do that, the flow rate would have to be considerably higher then 5000 barrels per day. So what is the truth BP??

Oil spill in the gulf?? Meh….. Bunch of librul whiners

BTW, as most people on the board should know.. I am no ‘liberal’. So lets keep the ‘liberal’/’conservative’ out of it.

[ucodegen]

When the oil company operates a platform, it must have a fail-safe or contingency in case of an accident.

The explosion occurred and the fail-safe did not work.

There was minimal contingency (gov. inspectors must have liked their ‘presents’) and fail-safe was not properly implemented (discharged batteries discovered on the blowout preventer – and oh well, we’ll continue though it would fail daily inspection). I also wonder if the casing of the pipe was driven far enough into the ground to allow a good and secure seal between the pipe wall and rock strata that the pipe has been driven into.

There have been many attempts at plugging the gusher and none have worked. It’s been more than one month.

I disagree. There has been pseudo attempts and plenty of finger-pointing, spin and understating the amount of oil flowing out of the damaged pipe. The only things they have tried so far is to try to get the blowout preventer to trigger and to use some sort of siphon to pick up oil out of the pipe. Its like the amateur team was in charge. The pressure on those pipes can be in the 2000 to 5000 psi range. Putting what could amount to a ‘soda straw’ in the pipe will not accomplish anything at these pressures.

Now they are concerned that the oil is eroding the pipe. To do that, the flow rate would have to be considerably higher then 5000 barrels per day. So what is the truth BP??

Oil spill in the gulf?? Meh….. Bunch of librul whiners

BTW, as most people on the board should know.. I am no ‘liberal’. So lets keep the ‘liberal’/’conservative’ out of it.

[ucodegen]

When the oil company operates a platform, it must have a fail-safe or contingency in case of an accident.

The explosion occurred and the fail-safe did not work.

There was minimal contingency (gov. inspectors must have liked their ‘presents’) and fail-safe was not properly implemented (discharged batteries discovered on the blowout preventer – and oh well, we’ll continue though it would fail daily inspection). I also wonder if the casing of the pipe was driven far enough into the ground to allow a good and secure seal between the pipe wall and rock strata that the pipe has been driven into.

There have been many attempts at plugging the gusher and none have worked. It’s been more than one month.

I disagree. There has been pseudo attempts and plenty of finger-pointing, spin and understating the amount of oil flowing out of the damaged pipe. The only things they have tried so far is to try to get the blowout preventer to trigger and to use some sort of siphon to pick up oil out of the pipe. Its like the amateur team was in charge. The pressure on those pipes can be in the 2000 to 5000 psi range. Putting what could amount to a ‘soda straw’ in the pipe will not accomplish anything at these pressures.

Now they are concerned that the oil is eroding the pipe. To do that, the flow rate would have to be considerably higher then 5000 barrels per day. So what is the truth BP??

Oil spill in the gulf?? Meh….. Bunch of librul whiners

BTW, as most people on the board should know.. I am no ‘liberal’. So lets keep the ‘liberal’/’conservative’ out of it.

[ucodegen]

Brian: This is what you’re famous for: Completely ignoring the actual facts and coming back with an argument that is meaningless.

briansd1 likes to take extreme points and try to create flame wars.

From here:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703572504575214593564769072.html

The process is supposed to prevent oil and natural gas from escaping by filling gaps between the outside of the well pipe and the inside of the hole bored into the ocean floor. Cement, pumped down the well from the drilling rig, is also used to plug wells after they have been abandoned or when drilling has finished but production hasn’t begun.

In the case of the Deepwater Horizon, workers had finished pumping cement to fill the space between the pipe and the sides of the hole and had begun temporarily plugging the well with cement; it isn’t known whether they had completed the plugging process before the blast.

As a marine biologist in a previous life, and current avid sportsman, I might be a bit biased in stating that this is a national emergency. The 10’s of thousands of folks that are affected, and will be affected, is grave cause for concern.

I agree. I think a simple solution would be to make an example of BP. They have spent way to much time futzing around and pointing fingers and not enough coming up with real solutions. They are also responsible for a spill on the Alaskan tundra where they decided not to do the maintenance clean on the insides of the pipes (by pushing a cleaning ‘pig’ through the pipe). This allowed a buildup of bacteria that eats at the inner wall of the pipe.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11696601/
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5411425
Even more spills by BP:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/12/10/alaska.oil.spill/index.html

The easiest solution would be that BP must stop the leak by fixing the pipe or capping the well in 5 days (they have had several weeks so far), or all of their oil fields and drill holes within the US territorial waters become property of the US gov.

[ucodegen]

Brian: This is what you’re famous for: Completely ignoring the actual facts and coming back with an argument that is meaningless.

briansd1 likes to take extreme points and try to create flame wars.

From here:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703572504575214593564769072.html

The process is supposed to prevent oil and natural gas from escaping by filling gaps between the outside of the well pipe and the inside of the hole bored into the ocean floor. Cement, pumped down the well from the drilling rig, is also used to plug wells after they have been abandoned or when drilling has finished but production hasn’t begun.

In the case of the Deepwater Horizon, workers had finished pumping cement to fill the space between the pipe and the sides of the hole and had begun temporarily plugging the well with cement; it isn’t known whether they had completed the plugging process before the blast.

As a marine biologist in a previous life, and current avid sportsman, I might be a bit biased in stating that this is a national emergency. The 10’s of thousands of folks that are affected, and will be affected, is grave cause for concern.

I agree. I think a simple solution would be to make an example of BP. They have spent way to much time futzing around and pointing fingers and not enough coming up with real solutions. They are also responsible for a spill on the Alaskan tundra where they decided not to do the maintenance clean on the insides of the pipes (by pushing a cleaning ‘pig’ through the pipe). This allowed a buildup of bacteria that eats at the inner wall of the pipe.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11696601/
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5411425
Even more spills by BP:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/12/10/alaska.oil.spill/index.html

The easiest solution would be that BP must stop the leak by fixing the pipe or capping the well in 5 days (they have had several weeks so far), or all of their oil fields and drill holes within the US territorial waters become property of the US gov.

[ucodegen]

Brian: This is what you’re famous for: Completely ignoring the actual facts and coming back with an argument that is meaningless.

briansd1 likes to take extreme points and try to create flame wars.

From here:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703572504575214593564769072.html

The process is supposed to prevent oil and natural gas from escaping by filling gaps between the outside of the well pipe and the inside of the hole bored into the ocean floor. Cement, pumped down the well from the drilling rig, is also used to plug wells after they have been abandoned or when drilling has finished but production hasn’t begun.

In the case of the Deepwater Horizon, workers had finished pumping cement to fill the space between the pipe and the sides of the hole and had begun temporarily plugging the well with cement; it isn’t known whether they had completed the plugging process before the blast.

As a marine biologist in a previous life, and current avid sportsman, I might be a bit biased in stating that this is a national emergency. The 10’s of thousands of folks that are affected, and will be affected, is grave cause for concern.

I agree. I think a simple solution would be to make an example of BP. They have spent way to much time futzing around and pointing fingers and not enough coming up with real solutions. They are also responsible for a spill on the Alaskan tundra where they decided not to do the maintenance clean on the insides of the pipes (by pushing a cleaning ‘pig’ through the pipe). This allowed a buildup of bacteria that eats at the inner wall of the pipe.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11696601/
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5411425
Even more spills by BP:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/12/10/alaska.oil.spill/index.html

The easiest solution would be that BP must stop the leak by fixing the pipe or capping the well in 5 days (they have had several weeks so far), or all of their oil fields and drill holes within the US territorial waters become property of the US gov.

[ucodegen]

Brian: This is what you’re famous for: Completely ignoring the actual facts and coming back with an argument that is meaningless.

briansd1 likes to take extreme points and try to create flame wars.

From here:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703572504575214593564769072.html

The process is supposed to prevent oil and natural gas from escaping by filling gaps between the outside of the well pipe and the inside of the hole bored into the ocean floor. Cement, pumped down the well from the drilling rig, is also used to plug wells after they have been abandoned or when drilling has finished but production hasn’t begun.

In the case of the Deepwater Horizon, workers had finished pumping cement to fill the space between the pipe and the sides of the hole and had begun temporarily plugging the well with cement; it isn’t known whether they had completed the plugging process before the blast.

As a marine biologist in a previous life, and current avid sportsman, I might be a bit biased in stating that this is a national emergency. The 10’s of thousands of folks that are affected, and will be affected, is grave cause for concern.

I agree. I think a simple solution would be to make an example of BP. They have spent way to much time futzing around and pointing fingers and not enough coming up with real solutions. They are also responsible for a spill on the Alaskan tundra where they decided not to do the maintenance clean on the insides of the pipes (by pushing a cleaning ‘pig’ through the pipe). This allowed a buildup of bacteria that eats at the inner wall of the pipe.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11696601/
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5411425
Even more spills by BP:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/12/10/alaska.oil.spill/index.html

The easiest solution would be that BP must stop the leak by fixing the pipe or capping the well in 5 days (they have had several weeks so far), or all of their oil fields and drill holes within the US territorial waters become property of the US gov.

[ucodegen]

Brian: This is what you’re famous for: Completely ignoring the actual facts and coming back with an argument that is meaningless.

briansd1 likes to take extreme points and try to create flame wars.

From here:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703572504575214593564769072.html

The process is supposed to prevent oil and natural gas from escaping by filling gaps between the outside of the well pipe and the inside of the hole bored into the ocean floor. Cement, pumped down the well from the drilling rig, is also used to plug wells after they have been abandoned or when drilling has finished but production hasn’t begun.

In the case of the Deepwater Horizon, workers had finished pumping cement to fill the space between the pipe and the sides of the hole and had begun temporarily plugging the well with cement; it isn’t known whether they had completed the plugging process before the blast.

As a marine biologist in a previous life, and current avid sportsman, I might be a bit biased in stating that this is a national emergency. The 10’s of thousands of folks that are affected, and will be affected, is grave cause for concern.

I agree. I think a simple solution would be to make an example of BP. They have spent way to much time futzing around and pointing fingers and not enough coming up with real solutions. They are also responsible for a spill on the Alaskan tundra where they decided not to do the maintenance clean on the insides of the pipes (by pushing a cleaning ‘pig’ through the pipe). This allowed a buildup of bacteria that eats at the inner wall of the pipe.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11696601/
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5411425
Even more spills by BP:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/12/10/alaska.oil.spill/index.html

The easiest solution would be that BP must stop the leak by fixing the pipe or capping the well in 5 days (they have had several weeks so far), or all of their oil fields and drill holes within the US territorial waters become property of the US gov.

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Another possibility is JPL located just north of Pasadena. It might be hard to get into though.

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Another possibility is JPL located just north of Pasadena. It might be hard to get into though.

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