[UCGal]

[quote=Butleroftwo]UCGal,
That black tar on the beach in Santa Barbara is naturally occurring. This is a pretty well known fact. I am surprised you didn’t ask any locals.

Did you read your second website? You really pulled that quote out of context. Here is another quote from the same site;
“According to a report on “Oil in the Sea” from the National Academy of Sciences (1995), far more oil enters the ocean from natural, underwater seeps than from offshore production platforms. In fact, the seeps introduce about 1700 barrels of oil a day into U.S. marine waters, which is about 150 times the amount from oil and gas activities.”

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On the first point – no one told me that. I’ll take your word on it till I can verify it. (Reagan’s famous “Trust but Verify” is a good rule to live by.)

On the second point – My argument was that the McCain talking point, oft repeated, that there were NO spills caused by Katrina is simply not accurate. I didn’t suggest that it was the only source of oil, just that there were oil spills from Katrina. McCain has made unequivicable statements that are factually incorrect. But that is common in politics – even from straight shooters.

And, back to the tire guages. Time Magazine posted an article yesterday with the following quote.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1829354,00.html?cnn=yes

But who’s really out of touch? The Bush Administration estimates that expanded offshore drilling could increase oil production by 200,000 bbl. per day by 2030. We use about 20 million bbl. per day, so that would meet about 1% of our demand two decades from now. Meanwhile, efficiency experts say that keeping tires inflated can improve gas mileage 3%, and regular maintenance can add another 4%. Many drivers already follow their advice, but if everyone did, we could immediately reduce demand several percentage points. In other words: Obama is right.

The article then goes on to talk about the tactic of the tire gauge controversy.

As I said in my previous post – tire gauges aren’t the silver bullet, neither is off shore oil drilling. Any solution has to be comprehensive and reduce our dependance on oil, longterm.

[UCGal]

[quote=Butleroftwo]UCGal,
That black tar on the beach in Santa Barbara is naturally occurring. This is a pretty well known fact. I am surprised you didn’t ask any locals.

Did you read your second website? You really pulled that quote out of context. Here is another quote from the same site;
“According to a report on “Oil in the Sea” from the National Academy of Sciences (1995), far more oil enters the ocean from natural, underwater seeps than from offshore production platforms. In fact, the seeps introduce about 1700 barrels of oil a day into U.S. marine waters, which is about 150 times the amount from oil and gas activities.”

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On the first point – no one told me that. I’ll take your word on it till I can verify it. (Reagan’s famous “Trust but Verify” is a good rule to live by.)

On the second point – My argument was that the McCain talking point, oft repeated, that there were NO spills caused by Katrina is simply not accurate. I didn’t suggest that it was the only source of oil, just that there were oil spills from Katrina. McCain has made unequivicable statements that are factually incorrect. But that is common in politics – even from straight shooters.

And, back to the tire guages. Time Magazine posted an article yesterday with the following quote.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1829354,00.html?cnn=yes

But who’s really out of touch? The Bush Administration estimates that expanded offshore drilling could increase oil production by 200,000 bbl. per day by 2030. We use about 20 million bbl. per day, so that would meet about 1% of our demand two decades from now. Meanwhile, efficiency experts say that keeping tires inflated can improve gas mileage 3%, and regular maintenance can add another 4%. Many drivers already follow their advice, but if everyone did, we could immediately reduce demand several percentage points. In other words: Obama is right.

The article then goes on to talk about the tactic of the tire gauge controversy.

As I said in my previous post – tire gauges aren’t the silver bullet, neither is off shore oil drilling. Any solution has to be comprehensive and reduce our dependance on oil, longterm.

[UCGal]

[quote=Butleroftwo]UCGal,
That black tar on the beach in Santa Barbara is naturally occurring. This is a pretty well known fact. I am surprised you didn’t ask any locals.

Did you read your second website? You really pulled that quote out of context. Here is another quote from the same site;
“According to a report on “Oil in the Sea” from the National Academy of Sciences (1995), far more oil enters the ocean from natural, underwater seeps than from offshore production platforms. In fact, the seeps introduce about 1700 barrels of oil a day into U.S. marine waters, which is about 150 times the amount from oil and gas activities.”

[/quote]
On the first point – no one told me that. I’ll take your word on it till I can verify it. (Reagan’s famous “Trust but Verify” is a good rule to live by.)

On the second point – My argument was that the McCain talking point, oft repeated, that there were NO spills caused by Katrina is simply not accurate. I didn’t suggest that it was the only source of oil, just that there were oil spills from Katrina. McCain has made unequivicable statements that are factually incorrect. But that is common in politics – even from straight shooters.

And, back to the tire guages. Time Magazine posted an article yesterday with the following quote.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1829354,00.html?cnn=yes

But who’s really out of touch? The Bush Administration estimates that expanded offshore drilling could increase oil production by 200,000 bbl. per day by 2030. We use about 20 million bbl. per day, so that would meet about 1% of our demand two decades from now. Meanwhile, efficiency experts say that keeping tires inflated can improve gas mileage 3%, and regular maintenance can add another 4%. Many drivers already follow their advice, but if everyone did, we could immediately reduce demand several percentage points. In other words: Obama is right.

The article then goes on to talk about the tactic of the tire gauge controversy.

As I said in my previous post – tire gauges aren’t the silver bullet, neither is off shore oil drilling. Any solution has to be comprehensive and reduce our dependance on oil, longterm.

[UCGal]

[quote=schizo2buyORnot]All we need to solve energy crisis is inflate our tires and get a tune up. I should be laughing but I’m not. Anyone who has angst about $4 a gallon gas should listen to this, examine their gas budget and its expansion, and think long and hard about voting for Obama.
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/142113.html

Yea $4 is not near enough for Mr. Barack Hussein Obama. His goal is $12 gallon gas. The $800 billion we send to his friends in the middle east is just not enough.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=736471%5B/quote%5D

Dare I venture back to the OP of this thread.

There’s no silver bullet… More drilling offshore won’t solve the problem entirely, neither will tire pressure… But don’t be so quick to discount tire pressure.

I went to our government websites…

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/maintain.shtml

Fixing a car that is noticeably out of tune or has failed an emissions test can improve its gas mileage by an average of 4 percent, though results vary based on the kind of repair and how well it is done.

Fixing a serious maintenance problem, such as a faulty oxygen sensor, can improve your mileage by as much as 40 percent.

and
You can improve your gas mileage by around 3.3 percent by keeping your tires inflated to the proper pressure. Under-inflated tires can lower gas mileage by 0.4 percent for every 1 psi drop in pressure of all four tires. Properly inflated tires are safer and last longer.

Yes- it’s an Obama conspiracy – he and his liberal cohorts must have taken over the websites of the transportation department… snark.

We already have offshore oil drilling – in the gulf and off of Long Beach and Santa Barbara. The last time I walked on the beach in Santa Barbara I got nasty black tar on my feet. I challenge anyone to say that offshore oil drilling results in no impact… But 1/4 of US production is currently coming from offshore – we’re already dealing with the impact.

And there have been some whoppers about how Katrina resulted in no spills… Again, from a government website.

http://www.mms.gov/SettingtheRecordStraight/EstimatedOil%20SpillsAsaResultofHurricanesKatrinaandRita.htm

As of January 25, 2007, MMS identified 125 spills of petroleum products totaling 16,302 barrels that were lost from platforms, rigs, and pipelines on the Federal Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) as a result of damages from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita in 2005

As always – nothing is free. Drilling offshore has it’s downsides.
Before we issue leases to drill offshore, we should require that oil companies drill with the leases they currently hold to drill on public lands. There are currently 9300 outstanding/unused leases to drill on public lands. These have already been studied for environmental impact, etc. McCain voted against and amendment that would require this.

[UCGal]

[quote=schizo2buyORnot]All we need to solve energy crisis is inflate our tires and get a tune up. I should be laughing but I’m not. Anyone who has angst about $4 a gallon gas should listen to this, examine their gas budget and its expansion, and think long and hard about voting for Obama.
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/142113.html

Yea $4 is not near enough for Mr. Barack Hussein Obama. His goal is $12 gallon gas. The $800 billion we send to his friends in the middle east is just not enough.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=736471%5B/quote%5D

Dare I venture back to the OP of this thread.

There’s no silver bullet… More drilling offshore won’t solve the problem entirely, neither will tire pressure… But don’t be so quick to discount tire pressure.

I went to our government websites…

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/maintain.shtml

Fixing a car that is noticeably out of tune or has failed an emissions test can improve its gas mileage by an average of 4 percent, though results vary based on the kind of repair and how well it is done.

Fixing a serious maintenance problem, such as a faulty oxygen sensor, can improve your mileage by as much as 40 percent.

and
You can improve your gas mileage by around 3.3 percent by keeping your tires inflated to the proper pressure. Under-inflated tires can lower gas mileage by 0.4 percent for every 1 psi drop in pressure of all four tires. Properly inflated tires are safer and last longer.

Yes- it’s an Obama conspiracy – he and his liberal cohorts must have taken over the websites of the transportation department… snark.

We already have offshore oil drilling – in the gulf and off of Long Beach and Santa Barbara. The last time I walked on the beach in Santa Barbara I got nasty black tar on my feet. I challenge anyone to say that offshore oil drilling results in no impact… But 1/4 of US production is currently coming from offshore – we’re already dealing with the impact.

And there have been some whoppers about how Katrina resulted in no spills… Again, from a government website.

http://www.mms.gov/SettingtheRecordStraight/EstimatedOil%20SpillsAsaResultofHurricanesKatrinaandRita.htm

As of January 25, 2007, MMS identified 125 spills of petroleum products totaling 16,302 barrels that were lost from platforms, rigs, and pipelines on the Federal Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) as a result of damages from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita in 2005

As always – nothing is free. Drilling offshore has it’s downsides.
Before we issue leases to drill offshore, we should require that oil companies drill with the leases they currently hold to drill on public lands. There are currently 9300 outstanding/unused leases to drill on public lands. These have already been studied for environmental impact, etc. McCain voted against and amendment that would require this.

[UCGal]

[quote=schizo2buyORnot]All we need to solve energy crisis is inflate our tires and get a tune up. I should be laughing but I’m not. Anyone who has angst about $4 a gallon gas should listen to this, examine their gas budget and its expansion, and think long and hard about voting for Obama.
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/142113.html

Yea $4 is not near enough for Mr. Barack Hussein Obama. His goal is $12 gallon gas. The $800 billion we send to his friends in the middle east is just not enough.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=736471%5B/quote%5D

Dare I venture back to the OP of this thread.

There’s no silver bullet… More drilling offshore won’t solve the problem entirely, neither will tire pressure… But don’t be so quick to discount tire pressure.

I went to our government websites…

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/maintain.shtml

Fixing a car that is noticeably out of tune or has failed an emissions test can improve its gas mileage by an average of 4 percent, though results vary based on the kind of repair and how well it is done.

Fixing a serious maintenance problem, such as a faulty oxygen sensor, can improve your mileage by as much as 40 percent.

and
You can improve your gas mileage by around 3.3 percent by keeping your tires inflated to the proper pressure. Under-inflated tires can lower gas mileage by 0.4 percent for every 1 psi drop in pressure of all four tires. Properly inflated tires are safer and last longer.

Yes- it’s an Obama conspiracy – he and his liberal cohorts must have taken over the websites of the transportation department… snark.

We already have offshore oil drilling – in the gulf and off of Long Beach and Santa Barbara. The last time I walked on the beach in Santa Barbara I got nasty black tar on my feet. I challenge anyone to say that offshore oil drilling results in no impact… But 1/4 of US production is currently coming from offshore – we’re already dealing with the impact.

And there have been some whoppers about how Katrina resulted in no spills… Again, from a government website.

http://www.mms.gov/SettingtheRecordStraight/EstimatedOil%20SpillsAsaResultofHurricanesKatrinaandRita.htm

As of January 25, 2007, MMS identified 125 spills of petroleum products totaling 16,302 barrels that were lost from platforms, rigs, and pipelines on the Federal Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) as a result of damages from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita in 2005

As always – nothing is free. Drilling offshore has it’s downsides.
Before we issue leases to drill offshore, we should require that oil companies drill with the leases they currently hold to drill on public lands. There are currently 9300 outstanding/unused leases to drill on public lands. These have already been studied for environmental impact, etc. McCain voted against and amendment that would require this.

[UCGal]

[quote=schizo2buyORnot]All we need to solve energy crisis is inflate our tires and get a tune up. I should be laughing but I’m not. Anyone who has angst about $4 a gallon gas should listen to this, examine their gas budget and its expansion, and think long and hard about voting for Obama.
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/142113.html

Yea $4 is not near enough for Mr. Barack Hussein Obama. His goal is $12 gallon gas. The $800 billion we send to his friends in the middle east is just not enough.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=736471%5B/quote%5D

Dare I venture back to the OP of this thread.

There’s no silver bullet… More drilling offshore won’t solve the problem entirely, neither will tire pressure… But don’t be so quick to discount tire pressure.

I went to our government websites…

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/maintain.shtml

Fixing a car that is noticeably out of tune or has failed an emissions test can improve its gas mileage by an average of 4 percent, though results vary based on the kind of repair and how well it is done.

Fixing a serious maintenance problem, such as a faulty oxygen sensor, can improve your mileage by as much as 40 percent.

and
You can improve your gas mileage by around 3.3 percent by keeping your tires inflated to the proper pressure. Under-inflated tires can lower gas mileage by 0.4 percent for every 1 psi drop in pressure of all four tires. Properly inflated tires are safer and last longer.

Yes- it’s an Obama conspiracy – he and his liberal cohorts must have taken over the websites of the transportation department… snark.

We already have offshore oil drilling – in the gulf and off of Long Beach and Santa Barbara. The last time I walked on the beach in Santa Barbara I got nasty black tar on my feet. I challenge anyone to say that offshore oil drilling results in no impact… But 1/4 of US production is currently coming from offshore – we’re already dealing with the impact.

And there have been some whoppers about how Katrina resulted in no spills… Again, from a government website.

http://www.mms.gov/SettingtheRecordStraight/EstimatedOil%20SpillsAsaResultofHurricanesKatrinaandRita.htm

As of January 25, 2007, MMS identified 125 spills of petroleum products totaling 16,302 barrels that were lost from platforms, rigs, and pipelines on the Federal Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) as a result of damages from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita in 2005

As always – nothing is free. Drilling offshore has it’s downsides.
Before we issue leases to drill offshore, we should require that oil companies drill with the leases they currently hold to drill on public lands. There are currently 9300 outstanding/unused leases to drill on public lands. These have already been studied for environmental impact, etc. McCain voted against and amendment that would require this.

[UCGal]

[quote=schizo2buyORnot]All we need to solve energy crisis is inflate our tires and get a tune up. I should be laughing but I’m not. Anyone who has angst about $4 a gallon gas should listen to this, examine their gas budget and its expansion, and think long and hard about voting for Obama.
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/142113.html

Yea $4 is not near enough for Mr. Barack Hussein Obama. His goal is $12 gallon gas. The $800 billion we send to his friends in the middle east is just not enough.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=736471%5B/quote%5D

Dare I venture back to the OP of this thread.

There’s no silver bullet… More drilling offshore won’t solve the problem entirely, neither will tire pressure… But don’t be so quick to discount tire pressure.

I went to our government websites…

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/maintain.shtml

Fixing a car that is noticeably out of tune or has failed an emissions test can improve its gas mileage by an average of 4 percent, though results vary based on the kind of repair and how well it is done.

Fixing a serious maintenance problem, such as a faulty oxygen sensor, can improve your mileage by as much as 40 percent.

and
You can improve your gas mileage by around 3.3 percent by keeping your tires inflated to the proper pressure. Under-inflated tires can lower gas mileage by 0.4 percent for every 1 psi drop in pressure of all four tires. Properly inflated tires are safer and last longer.

Yes- it’s an Obama conspiracy – he and his liberal cohorts must have taken over the websites of the transportation department… snark.

We already have offshore oil drilling – in the gulf and off of Long Beach and Santa Barbara. The last time I walked on the beach in Santa Barbara I got nasty black tar on my feet. I challenge anyone to say that offshore oil drilling results in no impact… But 1/4 of US production is currently coming from offshore – we’re already dealing with the impact.

And there have been some whoppers about how Katrina resulted in no spills… Again, from a government website.

http://www.mms.gov/SettingtheRecordStraight/EstimatedOil%20SpillsAsaResultofHurricanesKatrinaandRita.htm

As of January 25, 2007, MMS identified 125 spills of petroleum products totaling 16,302 barrels that were lost from platforms, rigs, and pipelines on the Federal Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) as a result of damages from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita in 2005

As always – nothing is free. Drilling offshore has it’s downsides.
Before we issue leases to drill offshore, we should require that oil companies drill with the leases they currently hold to drill on public lands. There are currently 9300 outstanding/unused leases to drill on public lands. These have already been studied for environmental impact, etc. McCain voted against and amendment that would require this.

[UCGal]

In the late 80’s/early 90’s everyone from CA was leaving to go to Seattle and Portland. (No state income tax in WA, no sales tax in OR.) Houses were much more affordable… as with any supply & demand – housing prices promptly went up… pissing off the locals. (I was someone who moved up North at the time – to take a job… I’d been downsized here in San Diego… took me 12 years to get back to my native San Diego.)

There will always be people moving out of California and into California.

I’ve lived in San Diego, Bellingham, WA, Philadelphia, and Atlanta… I liked them all except Atlanta. ALL of them were cheaper than San Diego. But only San Diego has the beaches and year round weather.

[UCGal]

In the late 80’s/early 90’s everyone from CA was leaving to go to Seattle and Portland. (No state income tax in WA, no sales tax in OR.) Houses were much more affordable… as with any supply & demand – housing prices promptly went up… pissing off the locals. (I was someone who moved up North at the time – to take a job… I’d been downsized here in San Diego… took me 12 years to get back to my native San Diego.)

There will always be people moving out of California and into California.

I’ve lived in San Diego, Bellingham, WA, Philadelphia, and Atlanta… I liked them all except Atlanta. ALL of them were cheaper than San Diego. But only San Diego has the beaches and year round weather.

[UCGal]

In the late 80’s/early 90’s everyone from CA was leaving to go to Seattle and Portland. (No state income tax in WA, no sales tax in OR.) Houses were much more affordable… as with any supply & demand – housing prices promptly went up… pissing off the locals. (I was someone who moved up North at the time – to take a job… I’d been downsized here in San Diego… took me 12 years to get back to my native San Diego.)

There will always be people moving out of California and into California.

I’ve lived in San Diego, Bellingham, WA, Philadelphia, and Atlanta… I liked them all except Atlanta. ALL of them were cheaper than San Diego. But only San Diego has the beaches and year round weather.

[UCGal]

In the late 80’s/early 90’s everyone from CA was leaving to go to Seattle and Portland. (No state income tax in WA, no sales tax in OR.) Houses were much more affordable… as with any supply & demand – housing prices promptly went up… pissing off the locals. (I was someone who moved up North at the time – to take a job… I’d been downsized here in San Diego… took me 12 years to get back to my native San Diego.)

There will always be people moving out of California and into California.

I’ve lived in San Diego, Bellingham, WA, Philadelphia, and Atlanta… I liked them all except Atlanta. ALL of them were cheaper than San Diego. But only San Diego has the beaches and year round weather.

[UCGal]

In the late 80’s/early 90’s everyone from CA was leaving to go to Seattle and Portland. (No state income tax in WA, no sales tax in OR.) Houses were much more affordable… as with any supply & demand – housing prices promptly went up… pissing off the locals. (I was someone who moved up North at the time – to take a job… I’d been downsized here in San Diego… took me 12 years to get back to my native San Diego.)

There will always be people moving out of California and into California.

I’ve lived in San Diego, Bellingham, WA, Philadelphia, and Atlanta… I liked them all except Atlanta. ALL of them were cheaper than San Diego. But only San Diego has the beaches and year round weather.

[UCGal]

I’m not going to address the specific nits mentioned here – but bring up some hoops a friend is going through.

She and her husband are buying a bank owned home in Simi. Ironically, they’d made an offer when it was pre-forclosure for a lot more than the current agreed upon price. Previous idiots rejected it and got foreclosed on.

They have done everything right. Spent far less then their income to save a large downpayment. Doing so meant living in a very small rental for years. They each have 1 credit card, that they pay off in full each month. They were easily pre-approved, at a decent rate, for the price.

The selling bank first tried to insist they finance through them at a less favorable rate. They successfully rejected that.

Their escrow was going forward when the *selling* bank said they didn’t have *enough* credit. Insisted they get more credit cards. WTF? (They have credit scores in the high 700’s!) Mind you the lender is fine with their credit and they’re the one loaning the money. The *selling* bank also said that their frugal rent of the past 5 years was too low compared to their mortgage payment and suggested they would have payment shock. Their realtor has worked overtime explaining that they were saving the difference – and that was the source of their downpayment.

These are people who lived below their means to save a downpayment. Paid their credit cards on time, in full. Did everything right. Their lender is thrilled with them. The selling bank is being ridiculous.

It’s like the selling bank doesn’t want to sell. Escrow has been pushed back while this is resolved. It’s a nightmare.

[UCGal]

I’m not going to address the specific nits mentioned here – but bring up some hoops a friend is going through.

She and her husband are buying a bank owned home in Simi. Ironically, they’d made an offer when it was pre-forclosure for a lot more than the current agreed upon price. Previous idiots rejected it and got foreclosed on.

They have done everything right. Spent far less then their income to save a large downpayment. Doing so meant living in a very small rental for years. They each have 1 credit card, that they pay off in full each month. They were easily pre-approved, at a decent rate, for the price.

The selling bank first tried to insist they finance through them at a less favorable rate. They successfully rejected that.

Their escrow was going forward when the *selling* bank said they didn’t have *enough* credit. Insisted they get more credit cards. WTF? (They have credit scores in the high 700’s!) Mind you the lender is fine with their credit and they’re the one loaning the money. The *selling* bank also said that their frugal rent of the past 5 years was too low compared to their mortgage payment and suggested they would have payment shock. Their realtor has worked overtime explaining that they were saving the difference – and that was the source of their downpayment.

These are people who lived below their means to save a downpayment. Paid their credit cards on time, in full. Did everything right. Their lender is thrilled with them. The selling bank is being ridiculous.

It’s like the selling bank doesn’t want to sell. Escrow has been pushed back while this is resolved. It’s a nightmare.

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