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[quote=davelj]A couple of things here. Clearly, firefighters are exposed to some bad stuff that increases health risks, but… jeez… non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, prostate cancer and testicular cancer are extremely rare. For example, there are only about 35,000 cases of prostate cancer diagnosed each year. So, telling someone that their risk of developing prostate cancer has increased by 28% – while certainly not good news – is like telling someone that their odds of dying in a plane crash have doubled (from unbelievably improbable to slightly less unbelievably improbable). So, don’t get me wrong, none of this is good news for firefighters, but… a little perspective.[/quote]

I don’t want to get into a debate on your points but I did want to correct one of your statements…

Prostate Cancer is NOT rare. From the American Cancer Society website:
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_4_1X_What_are_the_key_statistics_for_prostate_cancer_36.asp

Prostate cancer is the most common cancer, other than skin cancers, in American men. The American Cancer Society estimates that during 2009 about 192,280 new cases of prostate cancer will be diagnosed in the United States. About 1 man in 6 will be diagnosed with prostate cancer during his lifetime, but only 1 man in 35 will die of it. More than 2 million men in the United States who have been diagnosed with prostate cancer at some point are still alive today.

Prostate cancer is the second leading cause of cancer death in American men, behind only lung cancer. The American Cancer Society estimates that 27,360 men in the United States will die of prostate cancer in 2009. Prostate cancer accounts for about 10% of cancer-related deaths in men.

Of course I have no idea how many of those men are firefighters. I do know that many forms of prostate cancer have a high cure rate – but other forms are very aggressive. My dad successfully fought prostate cancer only to have another, unrelated cancer get him. A close family friend wasn’t so lucky – 3 months from first symptom to death.

Sorry – I obsess about cancer since so many in my family have gotten it.

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[quote=davelj]A couple of things here. Clearly, firefighters are exposed to some bad stuff that increases health risks, but… jeez… non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, prostate cancer and testicular cancer are extremely rare. For example, there are only about 35,000 cases of prostate cancer diagnosed each year. So, telling someone that their risk of developing prostate cancer has increased by 28% – while certainly not good news – is like telling someone that their odds of dying in a plane crash have doubled (from unbelievably improbable to slightly less unbelievably improbable). So, don’t get me wrong, none of this is good news for firefighters, but… a little perspective.[/quote]

I don’t want to get into a debate on your points but I did want to correct one of your statements…

Prostate Cancer is NOT rare. From the American Cancer Society website:
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_4_1X_What_are_the_key_statistics_for_prostate_cancer_36.asp

Prostate cancer is the most common cancer, other than skin cancers, in American men. The American Cancer Society estimates that during 2009 about 192,280 new cases of prostate cancer will be diagnosed in the United States. About 1 man in 6 will be diagnosed with prostate cancer during his lifetime, but only 1 man in 35 will die of it. More than 2 million men in the United States who have been diagnosed with prostate cancer at some point are still alive today.

Prostate cancer is the second leading cause of cancer death in American men, behind only lung cancer. The American Cancer Society estimates that 27,360 men in the United States will die of prostate cancer in 2009. Prostate cancer accounts for about 10% of cancer-related deaths in men.

Of course I have no idea how many of those men are firefighters. I do know that many forms of prostate cancer have a high cure rate – but other forms are very aggressive. My dad successfully fought prostate cancer only to have another, unrelated cancer get him. A close family friend wasn’t so lucky – 3 months from first symptom to death.

Sorry – I obsess about cancer since so many in my family have gotten it.

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[quote=davelj]A couple of things here. Clearly, firefighters are exposed to some bad stuff that increases health risks, but… jeez… non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, prostate cancer and testicular cancer are extremely rare. For example, there are only about 35,000 cases of prostate cancer diagnosed each year. So, telling someone that their risk of developing prostate cancer has increased by 28% – while certainly not good news – is like telling someone that their odds of dying in a plane crash have doubled (from unbelievably improbable to slightly less unbelievably improbable). So, don’t get me wrong, none of this is good news for firefighters, but… a little perspective.[/quote]

I don’t want to get into a debate on your points but I did want to correct one of your statements…

Prostate Cancer is NOT rare. From the American Cancer Society website:
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_4_1X_What_are_the_key_statistics_for_prostate_cancer_36.asp

Prostate cancer is the most common cancer, other than skin cancers, in American men. The American Cancer Society estimates that during 2009 about 192,280 new cases of prostate cancer will be diagnosed in the United States. About 1 man in 6 will be diagnosed with prostate cancer during his lifetime, but only 1 man in 35 will die of it. More than 2 million men in the United States who have been diagnosed with prostate cancer at some point are still alive today.

Prostate cancer is the second leading cause of cancer death in American men, behind only lung cancer. The American Cancer Society estimates that 27,360 men in the United States will die of prostate cancer in 2009. Prostate cancer accounts for about 10% of cancer-related deaths in men.

Of course I have no idea how many of those men are firefighters. I do know that many forms of prostate cancer have a high cure rate – but other forms are very aggressive. My dad successfully fought prostate cancer only to have another, unrelated cancer get him. A close family friend wasn’t so lucky – 3 months from first symptom to death.

Sorry – I obsess about cancer since so many in my family have gotten it.

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[quote=CA renter]
I am in no way claiming that we are out of the woods or that the “green shoots” are real. Just saying that **something** seems to have changed in the past few months. I think it’s always prudent to keep one’s eyes, ears, and mind open to what’s going on around us.

Wondering if anyone has seen something similar?[/quote]

That’s not what my husband is seeing. He’s seeing a shortage of jobs listed. He’s an architect with experience in commercial/office work, hosptitals (OSHPD), schools (DCA), airports (FAA). He’s very actively looking – but there aren’t any jobs out there. The CRE bubble collapsed after the housing bubble and is very affected by tightened credit.

Hospitals have tided things over in slow times in the past – but they have really tightened their budgets for new projects – doing only what is absolutely necessary.

Pretty much every architectural firm in San Diego is downsizing.

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[quote=CA renter]
I am in no way claiming that we are out of the woods or that the “green shoots” are real. Just saying that **something** seems to have changed in the past few months. I think it’s always prudent to keep one’s eyes, ears, and mind open to what’s going on around us.

Wondering if anyone has seen something similar?[/quote]

That’s not what my husband is seeing. He’s seeing a shortage of jobs listed. He’s an architect with experience in commercial/office work, hosptitals (OSHPD), schools (DCA), airports (FAA). He’s very actively looking – but there aren’t any jobs out there. The CRE bubble collapsed after the housing bubble and is very affected by tightened credit.

Hospitals have tided things over in slow times in the past – but they have really tightened their budgets for new projects – doing only what is absolutely necessary.

Pretty much every architectural firm in San Diego is downsizing.

[UCGal]

[quote=CA renter]
I am in no way claiming that we are out of the woods or that the “green shoots” are real. Just saying that **something** seems to have changed in the past few months. I think it’s always prudent to keep one’s eyes, ears, and mind open to what’s going on around us.

Wondering if anyone has seen something similar?[/quote]

That’s not what my husband is seeing. He’s seeing a shortage of jobs listed. He’s an architect with experience in commercial/office work, hosptitals (OSHPD), schools (DCA), airports (FAA). He’s very actively looking – but there aren’t any jobs out there. The CRE bubble collapsed after the housing bubble and is very affected by tightened credit.

Hospitals have tided things over in slow times in the past – but they have really tightened their budgets for new projects – doing only what is absolutely necessary.

Pretty much every architectural firm in San Diego is downsizing.

[UCGal]

[quote=CA renter]
I am in no way claiming that we are out of the woods or that the “green shoots” are real. Just saying that **something** seems to have changed in the past few months. I think it’s always prudent to keep one’s eyes, ears, and mind open to what’s going on around us.

Wondering if anyone has seen something similar?[/quote]

That’s not what my husband is seeing. He’s seeing a shortage of jobs listed. He’s an architect with experience in commercial/office work, hosptitals (OSHPD), schools (DCA), airports (FAA). He’s very actively looking – but there aren’t any jobs out there. The CRE bubble collapsed after the housing bubble and is very affected by tightened credit.

Hospitals have tided things over in slow times in the past – but they have really tightened their budgets for new projects – doing only what is absolutely necessary.

Pretty much every architectural firm in San Diego is downsizing.

[UCGal]

[quote=CA renter]
I am in no way claiming that we are out of the woods or that the “green shoots” are real. Just saying that **something** seems to have changed in the past few months. I think it’s always prudent to keep one’s eyes, ears, and mind open to what’s going on around us.

Wondering if anyone has seen something similar?[/quote]

That’s not what my husband is seeing. He’s seeing a shortage of jobs listed. He’s an architect with experience in commercial/office work, hosptitals (OSHPD), schools (DCA), airports (FAA). He’s very actively looking – but there aren’t any jobs out there. The CRE bubble collapsed after the housing bubble and is very affected by tightened credit.

Hospitals have tided things over in slow times in the past – but they have really tightened their budgets for new projects – doing only what is absolutely necessary.

Pretty much every architectural firm in San Diego is downsizing.

[UCGal]

[quote=nostradamus]Laugh and/or get drunk.[/quote]

This gets my vote.
Sure beats eating plastic pellets harvested from beanie babies.

(My brother was into “investing” in beanie babies. Convinced they had high value. When he died we shipped the several hundred beanies he had crated in his basement, to an orphanage. My sister and I felt good about that. Who cares if they were really worth a fortune, toys are meant to be played with.)

[UCGal]

[quote=nostradamus]Laugh and/or get drunk.[/quote]

This gets my vote.
Sure beats eating plastic pellets harvested from beanie babies.

(My brother was into “investing” in beanie babies. Convinced they had high value. When he died we shipped the several hundred beanies he had crated in his basement, to an orphanage. My sister and I felt good about that. Who cares if they were really worth a fortune, toys are meant to be played with.)

[UCGal]

[quote=nostradamus]Laugh and/or get drunk.[/quote]

This gets my vote.
Sure beats eating plastic pellets harvested from beanie babies.

(My brother was into “investing” in beanie babies. Convinced they had high value. When he died we shipped the several hundred beanies he had crated in his basement, to an orphanage. My sister and I felt good about that. Who cares if they were really worth a fortune, toys are meant to be played with.)

[UCGal]

[quote=nostradamus]Laugh and/or get drunk.[/quote]

This gets my vote.
Sure beats eating plastic pellets harvested from beanie babies.

(My brother was into “investing” in beanie babies. Convinced they had high value. When he died we shipped the several hundred beanies he had crated in his basement, to an orphanage. My sister and I felt good about that. Who cares if they were really worth a fortune, toys are meant to be played with.)

[UCGal]

[quote=nostradamus]Laugh and/or get drunk.[/quote]

This gets my vote.
Sure beats eating plastic pellets harvested from beanie babies.

(My brother was into “investing” in beanie babies. Convinced they had high value. When he died we shipped the several hundred beanies he had crated in his basement, to an orphanage. My sister and I felt good about that. Who cares if they were really worth a fortune, toys are meant to be played with.)

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[quote=LarryTheRenter]A sole proprieter would have to have a 2 million dollar retirement fund which yields 6% per year which would get you the $10,000 per month..

So obviuosly the fireman/woman didnt kick in this much him/herself…it is the taxpayers that are getting bled.[/quote]

A sole proprietor often has equity in the business that they can sell/cash out when they retire.

I’ve seen it happen a lot. Build a business – sell it, retire on the proceeds.

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[quote=LarryTheRenter]A sole proprieter would have to have a 2 million dollar retirement fund which yields 6% per year which would get you the $10,000 per month..

So obviuosly the fireman/woman didnt kick in this much him/herself…it is the taxpayers that are getting bled.[/quote]

A sole proprietor often has equity in the business that they can sell/cash out when they retire.

I’ve seen it happen a lot. Build a business – sell it, retire on the proceeds.

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