[UCGal]

was it san diego daily transcript? (sddt.com)
They do a lot of notices – including sales notices.

[UCGal]

was it san diego daily transcript? (sddt.com)
They do a lot of notices – including sales notices.

[UCGal]

was it san diego daily transcript? (sddt.com)
They do a lot of notices – including sales notices.

[UCGal]

[quote=davelj]

Ummm… the 3 C’s of “credit” do not include “credit.” That would be just a bit redundant. The 3 C’s of credit, as I stated previously, are in fact: Character, Capacity and Collateral. When you find a lenders training manual that includes “credit” as one of the 3 C’s of credit, I’ll be eager to see it.[/quote]

I admit I was wrong. (How often does that happen on piggington. LOL) The google doesn’t lie. Most of the links referred to Character.

If I google under “3 C’s of credit” it definitely skews to “character”. However, if I google under “3 C’s of underwriting” or “3 C’s of lending” it tends to refer more to credit or credit reputation rather than character for the “c”.

Here’s a link to Freddiemac – no mention of character.

http://www.freddiemac.com/corporate/au-works/factors.html

But I concede – most articles referred to ‘character’

There were others – but I concede- character is used a LOT.

[UCGal]

[quote=davelj]

Ummm… the 3 C’s of “credit” do not include “credit.” That would be just a bit redundant. The 3 C’s of credit, as I stated previously, are in fact: Character, Capacity and Collateral. When you find a lenders training manual that includes “credit” as one of the 3 C’s of credit, I’ll be eager to see it.[/quote]

I admit I was wrong. (How often does that happen on piggington. LOL) The google doesn’t lie. Most of the links referred to Character.

If I google under “3 C’s of credit” it definitely skews to “character”. However, if I google under “3 C’s of underwriting” or “3 C’s of lending” it tends to refer more to credit or credit reputation rather than character for the “c”.

Here’s a link to Freddiemac – no mention of character.

http://www.freddiemac.com/corporate/au-works/factors.html

But I concede – most articles referred to ‘character’

There were others – but I concede- character is used a LOT.

[UCGal]

[quote=davelj]

Ummm… the 3 C’s of “credit” do not include “credit.” That would be just a bit redundant. The 3 C’s of credit, as I stated previously, are in fact: Character, Capacity and Collateral. When you find a lenders training manual that includes “credit” as one of the 3 C’s of credit, I’ll be eager to see it.[/quote]

I admit I was wrong. (How often does that happen on piggington. LOL) The google doesn’t lie. Most of the links referred to Character.

If I google under “3 C’s of credit” it definitely skews to “character”. However, if I google under “3 C’s of underwriting” or “3 C’s of lending” it tends to refer more to credit or credit reputation rather than character for the “c”.

Here’s a link to Freddiemac – no mention of character.

http://www.freddiemac.com/corporate/au-works/factors.html

But I concede – most articles referred to ‘character’

There were others – but I concede- character is used a LOT.

[UCGal]

[quote=davelj]

Ummm… the 3 C’s of “credit” do not include “credit.” That would be just a bit redundant. The 3 C’s of credit, as I stated previously, are in fact: Character, Capacity and Collateral. When you find a lenders training manual that includes “credit” as one of the 3 C’s of credit, I’ll be eager to see it.[/quote]

I admit I was wrong. (How often does that happen on piggington. LOL) The google doesn’t lie. Most of the links referred to Character.

If I google under “3 C’s of credit” it definitely skews to “character”. However, if I google under “3 C’s of underwriting” or “3 C’s of lending” it tends to refer more to credit or credit reputation rather than character for the “c”.

Here’s a link to Freddiemac – no mention of character.

http://www.freddiemac.com/corporate/au-works/factors.html

But I concede – most articles referred to ‘character’

There were others – but I concede- character is used a LOT.

[UCGal]

[quote=davelj]

Ummm… the 3 C’s of “credit” do not include “credit.” That would be just a bit redundant. The 3 C’s of credit, as I stated previously, are in fact: Character, Capacity and Collateral. When you find a lenders training manual that includes “credit” as one of the 3 C’s of credit, I’ll be eager to see it.[/quote]

I admit I was wrong. (How often does that happen on piggington. LOL) The google doesn’t lie. Most of the links referred to Character.

If I google under “3 C’s of credit” it definitely skews to “character”. However, if I google under “3 C’s of underwriting” or “3 C’s of lending” it tends to refer more to credit or credit reputation rather than character for the “c”.

Here’s a link to Freddiemac – no mention of character.

http://www.freddiemac.com/corporate/au-works/factors.html

But I concede – most articles referred to ‘character’

There were others – but I concede- character is used a LOT.

[UCGal]

Congrats to you and your son.

[UCGal]

Congrats to you and your son.

[UCGal]

Congrats to you and your son.

[UCGal]

Congrats to you and your son.

[UCGal]

Congrats to you and your son.

[UCGal]

[quote=davelj]

Probably true. Although even to this day, every banker is *supposed* to be underwriting to the “Three C’s of Credit”: Character, Capital and Capacity. (So, this idea of “character” in the lending function isn’t something I’m making up – just to be clear – it’s in every lender’s training manual, to be ignored at his or her own peril.)

Unfortunately, during the ’00s, the three C’s morphed into: Collateral Creates Character. That turned out to be incorrect.[/quote]

Dave
As I stated earlier – I don’t see how my character was looked at anywhere in the process of obtaining my mortgage, or refinancing. Both were handled through mortgage brokers. I did not provide personal references, proof I attend church (or not) whether I jaywalk or litter. Character never entered into it. In the refi I never had a face to face interaction with the broker and the underwriter was in another state and I had ZERO contact. They looked at my credit worthiness, capacity (income), my savings, and the LTV. Not my character.

The 3-C’s you’ve mentioned are usually referred to as CREDIT, Capacity, and Collateral. The big change in the 00’s was that someone with good credit did not have to prove the Capacity to qualify for an Alt-A.

Are you equating good credit scores with “character”?

And I agree with edna_mode on the “character” issue being used, historically, to redline entire neighborhoods that were non-white. My husband owned a home in a redlined neighborhood. They’ve changed how they redline – they ask questions like “what kind of roof does it have”… his neighborhood was mostly flat roofed row houses. His roof happened to not fall in that category and he could hear the surpise when he said he had a shingled/sloped roof. Then they asked about offstreet parking (not a lot in his neighborhood) – he happened to have a garage… again, he could sense the frustration when he said that. This happened with both the mortgage company and the insurance company. Both were looking for trumped up excuses not to do business in his neighborhood. (Frankford neighborhood of Philadelphia for anyone who cares.) Redlining still happens but they have to be sneakier about it. It was easier for the companies when they could just cite “character” if the applicant had dark skin or was in a less preferred area.

I agree with your personal morality that if you commit to a debt, you should honor it. But I don’t think banks ever considered my personal morality with any of the mortgages I’ve had. (I’m on my 4th.)

[UCGal]

[quote=davelj]

Probably true. Although even to this day, every banker is *supposed* to be underwriting to the “Three C’s of Credit”: Character, Capital and Capacity. (So, this idea of “character” in the lending function isn’t something I’m making up – just to be clear – it’s in every lender’s training manual, to be ignored at his or her own peril.)

Unfortunately, during the ’00s, the three C’s morphed into: Collateral Creates Character. That turned out to be incorrect.[/quote]

Dave
As I stated earlier – I don’t see how my character was looked at anywhere in the process of obtaining my mortgage, or refinancing. Both were handled through mortgage brokers. I did not provide personal references, proof I attend church (or not) whether I jaywalk or litter. Character never entered into it. In the refi I never had a face to face interaction with the broker and the underwriter was in another state and I had ZERO contact. They looked at my credit worthiness, capacity (income), my savings, and the LTV. Not my character.

The 3-C’s you’ve mentioned are usually referred to as CREDIT, Capacity, and Collateral. The big change in the 00’s was that someone with good credit did not have to prove the Capacity to qualify for an Alt-A.

Are you equating good credit scores with “character”?

And I agree with edna_mode on the “character” issue being used, historically, to redline entire neighborhoods that were non-white. My husband owned a home in a redlined neighborhood. They’ve changed how they redline – they ask questions like “what kind of roof does it have”… his neighborhood was mostly flat roofed row houses. His roof happened to not fall in that category and he could hear the surpise when he said he had a shingled/sloped roof. Then they asked about offstreet parking (not a lot in his neighborhood) – he happened to have a garage… again, he could sense the frustration when he said that. This happened with both the mortgage company and the insurance company. Both were looking for trumped up excuses not to do business in his neighborhood. (Frankford neighborhood of Philadelphia for anyone who cares.) Redlining still happens but they have to be sneakier about it. It was easier for the companies when they could just cite “character” if the applicant had dark skin or was in a less preferred area.

I agree with your personal morality that if you commit to a debt, you should honor it. But I don’t think banks ever considered my personal morality with any of the mortgages I’ve had. (I’m on my 4th.)

[Author]

Posts