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My parents must have been from the same school as eaves’ and CAR’s…

I knew from a young age that at 18 I had better be in school, full time, in a degree that would get me a job… or working. And if it was the latter, I could live at home, with rules, if I contributed to the household. Otherwise I could use my earnings to pay my own way.

I chose the last option because I wasn’t ready for college. Best decision I ever made. Eventually I went to school, and my parents did help me with tuition/books. But there were strings attached.

Prior to turning 18 – it was understood that chores came before fun. That was a non-negotiable. The line that all my friends were out playing didn’t cut it with my parents.

Because of these chores and responsibilities my siblings and I were pretty self reliant when we moved out. We could all cook, change oil on a car, knew basic sewing (mending), knew how to do laundry and cleaning, could do basic repairs… (chores incorporated all these things.).

I’m raising my kids with the same expectations. And they’re getting one more lesson – care for elderly family. We take care of my in-laws… and the boys are part of that process… helping their grandmother with her trash, keeping an eye on grandpa if she needs some time to get stuff done, etc.

I won’t kick my kids out if they are contributing to the household. I’ll do it in a heartbeat if they start acting entitled to life on a silver platter. I’m fine with multi-generational family. But, IMO, if parents do their job right, the kids *want* to move out at some point to try life outside the nest. My job as a parent is to give them the skills and motivation to survive on their own. If they’re sitting at home, while I shelter, feed, do laundry… practically wipe their butt – I’m not doing my job.

As far as 18 being an arbitrary age… Yes… but it’s the age you can *legally* kick them out if they don’t follow the household rules.

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My parents must have been from the same school as eaves’ and CAR’s…

I knew from a young age that at 18 I had better be in school, full time, in a degree that would get me a job… or working. And if it was the latter, I could live at home, with rules, if I contributed to the household. Otherwise I could use my earnings to pay my own way.

I chose the last option because I wasn’t ready for college. Best decision I ever made. Eventually I went to school, and my parents did help me with tuition/books. But there were strings attached.

Prior to turning 18 – it was understood that chores came before fun. That was a non-negotiable. The line that all my friends were out playing didn’t cut it with my parents.

Because of these chores and responsibilities my siblings and I were pretty self reliant when we moved out. We could all cook, change oil on a car, knew basic sewing (mending), knew how to do laundry and cleaning, could do basic repairs… (chores incorporated all these things.).

I’m raising my kids with the same expectations. And they’re getting one more lesson – care for elderly family. We take care of my in-laws… and the boys are part of that process… helping their grandmother with her trash, keeping an eye on grandpa if she needs some time to get stuff done, etc.

I won’t kick my kids out if they are contributing to the household. I’ll do it in a heartbeat if they start acting entitled to life on a silver platter. I’m fine with multi-generational family. But, IMO, if parents do their job right, the kids *want* to move out at some point to try life outside the nest. My job as a parent is to give them the skills and motivation to survive on their own. If they’re sitting at home, while I shelter, feed, do laundry… practically wipe their butt – I’m not doing my job.

As far as 18 being an arbitrary age… Yes… but it’s the age you can *legally* kick them out if they don’t follow the household rules.

[UCGal]

My parents must have been from the same school as eaves’ and CAR’s…

I knew from a young age that at 18 I had better be in school, full time, in a degree that would get me a job… or working. And if it was the latter, I could live at home, with rules, if I contributed to the household. Otherwise I could use my earnings to pay my own way.

I chose the last option because I wasn’t ready for college. Best decision I ever made. Eventually I went to school, and my parents did help me with tuition/books. But there were strings attached.

Prior to turning 18 – it was understood that chores came before fun. That was a non-negotiable. The line that all my friends were out playing didn’t cut it with my parents.

Because of these chores and responsibilities my siblings and I were pretty self reliant when we moved out. We could all cook, change oil on a car, knew basic sewing (mending), knew how to do laundry and cleaning, could do basic repairs… (chores incorporated all these things.).

I’m raising my kids with the same expectations. And they’re getting one more lesson – care for elderly family. We take care of my in-laws… and the boys are part of that process… helping their grandmother with her trash, keeping an eye on grandpa if she needs some time to get stuff done, etc.

I won’t kick my kids out if they are contributing to the household. I’ll do it in a heartbeat if they start acting entitled to life on a silver platter. I’m fine with multi-generational family. But, IMO, if parents do their job right, the kids *want* to move out at some point to try life outside the nest. My job as a parent is to give them the skills and motivation to survive on their own. If they’re sitting at home, while I shelter, feed, do laundry… practically wipe their butt – I’m not doing my job.

As far as 18 being an arbitrary age… Yes… but it’s the age you can *legally* kick them out if they don’t follow the household rules.

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I agree w early retirement… there are a lot of kids who aren’t working or going to school and basically need, IMO, a kick in the pants to stop sponging. I have a coworker who can’t figure out how to motivate his daughter into getting a job or getting serious about college. His wife refuss to consider the tough love approach, so they’re enabling her less than productive lifestyle.

And BG – I grew up in coastal San Diego in the 70s… I wasn’t ready for college when I graduated high school… but I got a job and moved out 2 weeks after my 18th birthday… I think it’s more of a generational thing than a geographical thing that is keeping kids at home these days. I see kids lingering at home well into their 20’s back east too.

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I agree w early retirement… there are a lot of kids who aren’t working or going to school and basically need, IMO, a kick in the pants to stop sponging. I have a coworker who can’t figure out how to motivate his daughter into getting a job or getting serious about college. His wife refuss to consider the tough love approach, so they’re enabling her less than productive lifestyle.

And BG – I grew up in coastal San Diego in the 70s… I wasn’t ready for college when I graduated high school… but I got a job and moved out 2 weeks after my 18th birthday… I think it’s more of a generational thing than a geographical thing that is keeping kids at home these days. I see kids lingering at home well into their 20’s back east too.

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I agree w early retirement… there are a lot of kids who aren’t working or going to school and basically need, IMO, a kick in the pants to stop sponging. I have a coworker who can’t figure out how to motivate his daughter into getting a job or getting serious about college. His wife refuss to consider the tough love approach, so they’re enabling her less than productive lifestyle.

And BG – I grew up in coastal San Diego in the 70s… I wasn’t ready for college when I graduated high school… but I got a job and moved out 2 weeks after my 18th birthday… I think it’s more of a generational thing than a geographical thing that is keeping kids at home these days. I see kids lingering at home well into their 20’s back east too.

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I agree w early retirement… there are a lot of kids who aren’t working or going to school and basically need, IMO, a kick in the pants to stop sponging. I have a coworker who can’t figure out how to motivate his daughter into getting a job or getting serious about college. His wife refuss to consider the tough love approach, so they’re enabling her less than productive lifestyle.

And BG – I grew up in coastal San Diego in the 70s… I wasn’t ready for college when I graduated high school… but I got a job and moved out 2 weeks after my 18th birthday… I think it’s more of a generational thing than a geographical thing that is keeping kids at home these days. I see kids lingering at home well into their 20’s back east too.

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I agree w early retirement… there are a lot of kids who aren’t working or going to school and basically need, IMO, a kick in the pants to stop sponging. I have a coworker who can’t figure out how to motivate his daughter into getting a job or getting serious about college. His wife refuss to consider the tough love approach, so they’re enabling her less than productive lifestyle.

And BG – I grew up in coastal San Diego in the 70s… I wasn’t ready for college when I graduated high school… but I got a job and moved out 2 weeks after my 18th birthday… I think it’s more of a generational thing than a geographical thing that is keeping kids at home these days. I see kids lingering at home well into their 20’s back east too.

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Most of the houses in my hood do not have gutters. (Homes built in the 60’s and 70’s)

Our house has a diverter thing on the porch roof in front of the front door… It’s just a metal plate that’s at a right angle to the roof – and diverts the water to either side.

We have hedges below the porch roof line to get the water.

In Pennsylvania – my house had gutters – and it helped prevent basement flooding. But it was not unusual to get thunderstorms in the summer that dumped 2-3 inches in 3 hours… Gutters need to be maintained – kept free of leaves, etc. I like living with less rain, and no gutters.

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Most of the houses in my hood do not have gutters. (Homes built in the 60’s and 70’s)

Our house has a diverter thing on the porch roof in front of the front door… It’s just a metal plate that’s at a right angle to the roof – and diverts the water to either side.

We have hedges below the porch roof line to get the water.

In Pennsylvania – my house had gutters – and it helped prevent basement flooding. But it was not unusual to get thunderstorms in the summer that dumped 2-3 inches in 3 hours… Gutters need to be maintained – kept free of leaves, etc. I like living with less rain, and no gutters.

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Most of the houses in my hood do not have gutters. (Homes built in the 60’s and 70’s)

Our house has a diverter thing on the porch roof in front of the front door… It’s just a metal plate that’s at a right angle to the roof – and diverts the water to either side.

We have hedges below the porch roof line to get the water.

In Pennsylvania – my house had gutters – and it helped prevent basement flooding. But it was not unusual to get thunderstorms in the summer that dumped 2-3 inches in 3 hours… Gutters need to be maintained – kept free of leaves, etc. I like living with less rain, and no gutters.

[UCGal]

Most of the houses in my hood do not have gutters. (Homes built in the 60’s and 70’s)

Our house has a diverter thing on the porch roof in front of the front door… It’s just a metal plate that’s at a right angle to the roof – and diverts the water to either side.

We have hedges below the porch roof line to get the water.

In Pennsylvania – my house had gutters – and it helped prevent basement flooding. But it was not unusual to get thunderstorms in the summer that dumped 2-3 inches in 3 hours… Gutters need to be maintained – kept free of leaves, etc. I like living with less rain, and no gutters.

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Most of the houses in my hood do not have gutters. (Homes built in the 60’s and 70’s)

Our house has a diverter thing on the porch roof in front of the front door… It’s just a metal plate that’s at a right angle to the roof – and diverts the water to either side.

We have hedges below the porch roof line to get the water.

In Pennsylvania – my house had gutters – and it helped prevent basement flooding. But it was not unusual to get thunderstorms in the summer that dumped 2-3 inches in 3 hours… Gutters need to be maintained – kept free of leaves, etc. I like living with less rain, and no gutters.

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[quote=carlsbadworker][quote=briansd1]Who here who owns a house wants the repeal of the mortgage interest deduction?[/quote]

Me! Subsidy from the rent poor to the house rich never made any sense. However, I also favor put some of the Wallstreet crooks behind the bar while we are at it.[/quote]
+1

I’ve never understood what makes mortgage interest “special” compared to other (non tax deductible) interest. Plenty of countries don’t have a mortgage interest deduction – and home ownership is at similar levels.

Sure, I get the advantage – but I’d be willing to give it up if push came to shove.

And +100 on the wall street crooks should go to jail.

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[quote=carlsbadworker][quote=briansd1]Who here who owns a house wants the repeal of the mortgage interest deduction?[/quote]

Me! Subsidy from the rent poor to the house rich never made any sense. However, I also favor put some of the Wallstreet crooks behind the bar while we are at it.[/quote]
+1

I’ve never understood what makes mortgage interest “special” compared to other (non tax deductible) interest. Plenty of countries don’t have a mortgage interest deduction – and home ownership is at similar levels.

Sure, I get the advantage – but I’d be willing to give it up if push came to shove.

And +100 on the wall street crooks should go to jail.

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