[The-Shoveler]

I don’t know that tract in CV, but it looks like that’s probably an order of magnitude smaller than what they built in Valencia,
Plus they went to the elementary as well as junior and high schools as well as shopping etc…

Then again maybe that’s why it kind of died out up there, maybe these things just work better at smaller scale.

Maybe it get’s too complex and eats more and more land the bigger it gets.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=spdrun]It’s not terribly complicated. Run a walking path between cul-de-sacs, along property lines. Big enough for bicycles and pedestrians, not big enough for cars.[/quote]
Probably more complicated than you might think, anyway they were very nice, your kids could walk/bike to school and never walk on a busy street, or even go to the local convenience market where there also existed a few restaurants etc… for the adults.

They were Windy trails with lots of shade trees and benches for resting etc…, it still exists in that one first tract, it is very nice.

But it does eat a lot of land.

The original Idea was that all of Valencia was going to be networks of these “paseos” LOL, anyway I guess they were too expensive to continue to build like that.

[The-Shoveler]

Valencia was one of the first master planned communities,

They came up with this system of connecting cul de sac’s with biking/walking trails, something I have never seen repeated as well in any other community (even in later Valencia tracts).

It was done in the 70’s I guess it was not a practical way to lay out a housing tract as it used too much land so it did not get repeated is my guess

http://www.piasoper.com/communities-of-santa-clarita/valencia/valencia-paseo-system-and-map/

Anyway, give a home buyer the choice of a cul de sac or a networked street grid, in socal I bet they choose the cul de sac home 90% of the time all else being equal.

[The-Shoveler]

The largest BioTech firm in the world is in a medium sized L.A. suburb about 40 miles from the City of L.A. with virtually no public transit and no real downtown to speak of (well maybe if you count the mall LOL).

Looks more like OC then SF.

[The-Shoveler]

Self driving cars will make public transit obsolete in most U.S cities in about 10 years IMO.

[The-Shoveler]

I think the effect of lower Gas prices are really just starting to kick in,

L.A. Traffic is absolutely insane the last few weeks, this with all the port workers striking etc…

I have only seen this occur in the past when the economy is cooking.

[The-Shoveler]

IMO, as long as the Fed does not raise rates significantly I don’t see a crash (I really think it unlikely they would do that).

Even Germany is seeing they have to play along with Greece or risk a significant downturn, they just released blow out GDP this morning as well.

Greece is a small player in a much bigger game, so…

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=harvey]
I’m skeptical that the wealth gap is a good measure of anything that really matters, especially going forward.[/quote]

I would agree with this, what matters is the percentage of people living at or below the Poverty line, how many can afford the basics in life without assistance.

[The-Shoveler]

I think you guys are missing the point,

It really does not matter HOW MUCH money Bill Gates has,

What matters is what the Guy earning minimum wage can afford, can he rent an apartment and eat on 35 hours a week, or does he need to work 60 hours etc…

THAT is what matters, because it determines what the guy on the next rung can afford.

[The-Shoveler]

Most of the wealth Gap is being caused by wages not keeping up with inflation at the lower end of the wage spectrum.

Of course the ultra rich will still be ultra rich, just that the just that the lower would stop falling behind.

[The-Shoveler]

IMO the biggest contributor to the “wealth gap issues”, is not having minimum wage tied to inflation,
It effects the all the lower rungs a lot more than the upper income rungs.

Minimum wage has fallen further and further behind leaving the lower rung’s further and further behind.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=spdrun]
All joking aside, money does have to be rationed to make it useful. Unlimited amount of money in circulation would make money worthless, which would defeat the point of money. The question isn’t whether to ration, but what level to ration it at.[/quote]

For now. But who’s to say that, with technology, we can’t invent something better than money as a means of exchange?

What is importent is to maximize human productivity and creativity which are infinite. If people are willing and able to work because of lack of money then that’s a self inflicted wound to human well-being. Aren’t we smarter than that?

Conservation of fossil fuels is like putting them in the bank/storage for future retrieval and use.[/quote]

That’s the thing, they won’t need it.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=phaster]
bottom line its not if but when average joe IMHO is sadly going to have a “crude awakening”

[/quote]

Crude awakening. I love the pay on words.
I’ll save it to watch later. I watch a little bit of the end.

I don’t believe in the doom and gloom. Stock market collapse? Only the 1% being able to afford air travel? life like it was before oil?

No doubt oil will eventually run out and be in short supply.. but there are alternative and we can plan for it. If we don’t plan now, it would be our own fault for not doing so. For example we would easily limit auto engine sizes and cut consumption in half. We’ll have less automobile choices but our standard of living would not be affected.[/quote]

I Still believe Skunkworks is about to put Big Oil out of biz, but anyway, if California would allow more fracking, we would put Texas and Dakota way down the list of biggest Oil producers in the US.

We could become energy independent in a few years, That’s what’s got OPEC running scared, We don’t need them.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=scaredyclassic]not sure if this is an example but my kid is aspiring to be an engineer in a major city and live in a “microapartment” of about 200 sq ft. I thoughtt his was awesome.

does seem to indicate some scaled down expectations…back in the 70s i think he could have easily gotten a 400 sq footer[/quote]

The scalded down expectations (tiny home) thing is way over hyped, just as much as it was in the 70’s.

I don’t no how many time I heard, (you won’t have as much as your parents) back in the 70’s early 80’s, but it was a lot.

What they really want is a big house out of the city just as like the boomer did IMO.

[The-Shoveler]

Don’t know about the whole thing but in L.A. things are definitely starting to percolate (traffic is absolutely crazy right now, that has always been the best indicator from past experiences).
SD seems a bit slow yet in comparison (well in feeling it anyway).
IMO anyway.

There are new Tesla’s BMW’s and MB’s everywhere.

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