[temeculaguy]

kibu, my e-mail is [email protected] and for anyone else with a specific question they want to ask off the boards, feel free.

snail, you are right, it is o.k. in my book as well, just comparing the different places and pointing out some characteristics. The OP started a different thread about the houses accross from wolf creek and when I thought about those compared to vail, I realized vail does have a few things going for it that will keep it afloat, it has a good location, some nice elevation and is surrounded by some of the best tracts, not close to the casino and nowhere near any apartments, so it will probably never be too bad.

[temeculaguy]

kibu, my e-mail is [email protected] and for anyone else with a specific question they want to ask off the boards, feel free.

snail, you are right, it is o.k. in my book as well, just comparing the different places and pointing out some characteristics. The OP started a different thread about the houses accross from wolf creek and when I thought about those compared to vail, I realized vail does have a few things going for it that will keep it afloat, it has a good location, some nice elevation and is surrounded by some of the best tracts, not close to the casino and nowhere near any apartments, so it will probably never be too bad.

[temeculaguy]

kibu, my e-mail is [email protected] and for anyone else with a specific question they want to ask off the boards, feel free.

snail, you are right, it is o.k. in my book as well, just comparing the different places and pointing out some characteristics. The OP started a different thread about the houses accross from wolf creek and when I thought about those compared to vail, I realized vail does have a few things going for it that will keep it afloat, it has a good location, some nice elevation and is surrounded by some of the best tracts, not close to the casino and nowhere near any apartments, so it will probably never be too bad.

[temeculaguy]

kibu, my e-mail is [email protected] and for anyone else with a specific question they want to ask off the boards, feel free.

snail, you are right, it is o.k. in my book as well, just comparing the different places and pointing out some characteristics. The OP started a different thread about the houses accross from wolf creek and when I thought about those compared to vail, I realized vail does have a few things going for it that will keep it afloat, it has a good location, some nice elevation and is surrounded by some of the best tracts, not close to the casino and nowhere near any apartments, so it will probably never be too bad.

[temeculaguy]

It varies and it can vary wildly. The fee/bonds/mello roos, etc. are not usually based on value so you can’t always use a percentage for the amount over 1%. Usually the newer places or the nicer places have the higher fees but there are exceptions. Those landscaped center medians don’t mow themselves. It’s neighborhood to neighborhood.

[temeculaguy]

It varies and it can vary wildly. The fee/bonds/mello roos, etc. are not usually based on value so you can’t always use a percentage for the amount over 1%. Usually the newer places or the nicer places have the higher fees but there are exceptions. Those landscaped center medians don’t mow themselves. It’s neighborhood to neighborhood.

[temeculaguy]

It varies and it can vary wildly. The fee/bonds/mello roos, etc. are not usually based on value so you can’t always use a percentage for the amount over 1%. Usually the newer places or the nicer places have the higher fees but there are exceptions. Those landscaped center medians don’t mow themselves. It’s neighborhood to neighborhood.

[temeculaguy]

It varies and it can vary wildly. The fee/bonds/mello roos, etc. are not usually based on value so you can’t always use a percentage for the amount over 1%. Usually the newer places or the nicer places have the higher fees but there are exceptions. Those landscaped center medians don’t mow themselves. It’s neighborhood to neighborhood.

[temeculaguy]

It varies and it can vary wildly. The fee/bonds/mello roos, etc. are not usually based on value so you can’t always use a percentage for the amount over 1%. Usually the newer places or the nicer places have the higher fees but there are exceptions. Those landscaped center medians don’t mow themselves. It’s neighborhood to neighborhood.

[temeculaguy]

I’d go with vail before I went with the old houses on the opposite side of the road from wolf creek. the 30 foot brick sound barrier wall is horrible. It’s a step down from vail if looking at them head to head, the only access is via pechanga parkway. Maybe you should say what you are looking for and looking to pay and I can give you some suggestions.

[temeculaguy]

I’d go with vail before I went with the old houses on the opposite side of the road from wolf creek. the 30 foot brick sound barrier wall is horrible. It’s a step down from vail if looking at them head to head, the only access is via pechanga parkway. Maybe you should say what you are looking for and looking to pay and I can give you some suggestions.

[temeculaguy]

I’d go with vail before I went with the old houses on the opposite side of the road from wolf creek. the 30 foot brick sound barrier wall is horrible. It’s a step down from vail if looking at them head to head, the only access is via pechanga parkway. Maybe you should say what you are looking for and looking to pay and I can give you some suggestions.

[temeculaguy]

I’d go with vail before I went with the old houses on the opposite side of the road from wolf creek. the 30 foot brick sound barrier wall is horrible. It’s a step down from vail if looking at them head to head, the only access is via pechanga parkway. Maybe you should say what you are looking for and looking to pay and I can give you some suggestions.

[temeculaguy]

I’d go with vail before I went with the old houses on the opposite side of the road from wolf creek. the 30 foot brick sound barrier wall is horrible. It’s a step down from vail if looking at them head to head, the only access is via pechanga parkway. Maybe you should say what you are looking for and looking to pay and I can give you some suggestions.

[temeculaguy]

I know it was wordy and maybe I didn’t explain it properly, but the age alone is not a strike, nor is the size, nor is the lack of the hoa. It’s the combination of the three that creates the the problem. It’s like the fire triangle (heat, fuel, oxygen), on their own they are harmless, remove any of the three and you won’t have a fire, combine them and it’s dangerous.

I have no way of disputing your opinion of the new world order or of Southern Californians, because my frame of reference is too finite, I was born here, as were my parents. I have lived in three counties but they were all in so cal, I am what I am and it is what it is, hopefully the Op who had a question will take my reply for what it is, just my opinion, even if it is superficial and shallow. In reality, real estate is about the buyer and the market, and many of the buyers are like me, right or wrong, democratic or republican, fruits or nuts, most buyers of southern california real estate are southern californians and it is important to understand them even if you aren’t one of them.

paramount, I agree with you more often than not, and bills do wear people down (i would love to trade, I’ve always maintained that you have an eviable financial situation and are way too hard on yourself because youy live well within your means, btw), but the question posed was about the comparison of two master planned developments and I did my best to compare and contrast them. I refuse to take responsibility for expressing my opinions and preferences, I give them freely and everyone is entitled to a full refund if they dont like them, I should be taken with a grain of salt if not a full shaker.

If anyone lives in vail and takes offense, my apologies, it’s still a damn nice place, but when asked to compare it, I cant help myself.

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