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Participant[quote=SD Realtor]So let’s see… the event has not just randomly come up, it has been planned for quite awhile. Lets see…perhaps it makes sense to allow a rally that supports one of the key items he has pledged to support. One that is supported by millions, actually tens of millions of potential voters. Then there is barricading vets, which of course I don’t believe he cared about one way or another. I agree he had no hand in that.
Like I said, the shutdown is selective. This rally was important to his voters… the vets… not so much.[/quote]
Kinda taking it both ways there. One sentence he had no hand in it. And the next the vets aren’t important to him. They can’t both be true. I’m guessing the vets thing may have been planned by the attendees, but without any special notice to the park. They had no reason to tell the park they were coming. And even if they did, just like a 4th grade class or a women’s league visiting, they got cancelled, because the park closed down because the republicans in the house wanted it closed down. The rally on the other hand, required permits. The two events were not the same.
Question for you….which is more important to you…the vets being able to visit the park, or the CDC shutting down and not having the resources to respond to a salmonella outbreak? Me? In comparison, I don’t give a shit about vets visiting a park.
Participant[quote=SD Realtor]Ummm….. seeing that Pelosi actually thanked him for the use of the National Mall for the rally I actually believe he did know about it and okayed it. Especially since the rally didn’t just appear overnight.[/quote]
I know that was widely reported. Funny thing though, it seems it’s the only speech anyone’s given in the last few years that nobody seems to have recorded. And in the transcription of her speech, there is no mention of thanking Obama. Maybe it happened. Would seem there should be some evidence of it.
Participant[quote=paramount]Obama closed the WWII Memorial and tried to prevent veterans from getting in by erecting fences, but opened up the National Mall for an illegal alien rally headlined by San Fran Nan.[/quote]
Yes, I’m sure Obama was directly involved in both of those decisions. He was probably involved in the decision on whether or not to shut down each and every one of the other roughly 60 national parks too. Went down the list one by one. Probably did the same with each of the thousands of federal expenditures each day. He’s a busy guy. But not too busy to piss off veterans and show support for illegal aliens.
/snark
Participant[quote=no_such_reality]
You and people thinking like are the problem. You bandy terrorists about, think anyone disagreeing with you is a hick, or redneck, or hater. A terrorist.Afraid to use the n-word?[/quote]
Right. If only republicans in congress weren’t insulted, they’d behave like grown men instead of belligerent children. I’m sure that would work out well.
Participant[quote=no_such_reality][quote=SK in CV]
Why should they negotiate with terrorists? [/quote]Glad you highlight who the real problem is, you.[/quote]
I’m the problem? Not congressional republicans who made a deal and backed out of it? Not congressional republicans who hold the nation hostage because they can’t their way? Not congressional republicans who have tried and failed to repeal a law they don’t like more than 30 times, and now shut down the government and keep veterans out of war memorials and keep widows from getting their benefits because the rest of congress and the administration don’t agree with them?.
Yeah, I’m the problem.
Sound bites aren’t action.
Participant[quote=no_such_reality]”We will not negotiate”[/quote]
Why should they negotiate with terrorists?
They already negotiated. The republicans backed out of the deal. Would you continue to negotiate with someone who has repeatedly shown that they will not negotiate in good faith?
Even the sounds bites aren’t playing very well. Polls show favorables for republicans in congress are now lower than that of toe fungus.
Participant[quote=no_such_reality]White House: Death benefits for military families ‘to be fixed today’
Oops must be getting too much egg on his face from that one.
Maybe the park rally will be next?[/quote]
If you’re blind to actual facts, that would be egg on Obama’s face. In reality, it’s a perfect example of the way the Republicans have abandoned their responsibilities to make the government work. Congress was were warned what would happen if they didn’t pass a continuing resolution. They didn’t pass one. It happened.
Participant[quote=no_such_reality][quote=zk][quote=no_such_reality]
Unless you can answer that question, it appears you’re the one who’s been brainwashed.[/quote]
Already did.
The House has sent CRs forward to fund everything funded only needing an one year moratorium on the individual mandate. Not gutting of obamacare, not a defunding.
They also sent separate ones forward, such are funding the death benefit. Oops, looks like that ones blowing up on the chosen one.
Or maybe funding the NIH Child Cancer research, Nope, in the word of Harry, why would we want to vote on that…
Your position is the partisan sound bite of ‘clean CR’
meaning, lets continue to spend without any controls.Obama and Reid have said they will not negotiate. They will not vote on anything but a blank slate of a CR.[/quote]
This is total fiction. The house didn’t send a CR funding everything the Dems wanted except for whatever. What the dems wanted was a CR at pre-sequester levels. The WH, Reid and Boehner negotiated that down to a CR funding at sequester levels. Read that again. The WH and the Dems in the senate negotiated that CR DOWN to the sequester levels. And Boehner agreed to it.
And then the House republicans wanted more. First defunding of all of the ACA. Then defunding bits and pieces of it.
And the separate one funding military benefits, that originated in the house, was passed in the Senate, and signed by the President? That would be the bill that omitted funding military death benefits. It’s a nice story that it was Obama that failed to fund the death benefits. But it never happened. That bill originated in the house. Written by house republicans. Why do Republicans hate the widows so?
Obama and Reid already negotiated, and gave up a lot. And had an agreement. And then the Republicans decided to shut the government down. After getting the concessions they wanted. It’s the Republicans that keep moving the goal post and then whine that there is no movement.
Participant[quote=livinincali]Well potentially less popular with a 29 year healthy waitress that wasn’t expecting to see a brand new out of pocket expense of $100/month for a health care service they haven’t had to use. Affordable is somewhat subjective. Because it’s often is comparison to something else. Say you never shopped for health insurance or don’t think you need it. You might get sticker shock when you see it costs 100 or 200 or whatever amount of money per month depending on your circumstances. What if you where lead to believe it would be free or very cheap? What do you say when if isn’t anywhere close to your expectations?
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Who was it that lied and created those expectations that it would be free or very cheap? I would argue that it was never proponents of the legislation. Though I would also argue that $100 a month IS very cheap.
Participant[quote=paramount]I read in the news that park workers/rangers were instructed to be particularly nasty with park visitors.[/quote]
Well if you read it somewhere, it must be true.
Participant[quote=no_such_reality]Because they can’t see past the brainwashing of soundbites they’re getting. That goes both ways and the media makes it worse by dumbing it down.
Or they’re fortunate, have had good health and no serious medical conditions and haven’t blundered into the underbelly of our previous insurance madness.[/quote]
No, it doesn’t go both ways. The brainwashing has been invariably slanted against the ACA. Proponents haven’t told anyone they were going to get free healthcare, that’s part of the right-wing smear “they’re only voting for Obama because they want free stuff”. Proponents of haven’t told anyone insurance on the exchanges was going to be cheap, only that it would be less expensive than open market policies. And it is. Where the media has failed miserably is allowing the lies to go unchecked. Giving equal time (and thereby implying equal authority) to one side giving reasonable expectations and the other side shoveling bullshit. Those two are not equal.
Participant[quote=6packscaredy]Why not just repeal the law then?
Or at least allow a vote to see whee each rep stands.[/quote]They have done that. The republican majority in the house has passed bills repealing the ACA over 30 times. None of them could ever get to a vote in the Senate and there is no chance of the president ever signing it into law, nor any chance of a veto proof majority in either chamber of congress. The first time may have been a nice show. Every time since then has been no more than a waste of time and money.
Participant[quote=no_such_reality]
They’ve done everything but just capitulate to what Harry and Barack want.You don’t hear that in the media though and they’re getting the blame.
And they’re focused on the wrong discussion. The right discussion is the debt.
The rule of any show down is picking your fight, they’ve done a horrible job of picking the right fight. Frankly, IMHO, they should give Obama everything he wants, and tie ribbon around the Democrats in the 2014 election when everything is still the same.[/quote]
that’s a joke, right?
October 6, 2013 at 8:05 PM in reply to: OT: And you thought public employee unions were out of hand #766432Participant[quote=bearishgurl]
You’re right, SK. It’s a different lifestyle in NYC than SD (not appreciably different than living in a dtn SD apt or condo, though). Whether or not living in NYC is actually a better or worse lifestyle than living in SD is in the eye of the beholder.[/quote]Oy. Yes it is appreciably different. It isn’t even close.
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