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[SK in CV]

[quote=SD Realtor]So let’s see… the event has not just randomly come up, it has been planned for quite awhile. Lets see…perhaps it makes sense to allow a rally that supports one of the key items he has pledged to support. One that is supported by millions, actually tens of millions of potential voters. Then there is barricading vets, which of course I don’t believe he cared about one way or another. I agree he had no hand in that.

Like I said, the shutdown is selective. This rally was important to his voters… the vets… not so much.[/quote]

Kinda taking it both ways there. One sentence he had no hand in it. And the next the vets aren’t important to him. They can’t both be true. I’m guessing the vets thing may have been planned by the attendees, but without any special notice to the park. They had no reason to tell the park they were coming. And even if they did, just like a 4th grade class or a women’s league visiting, they got cancelled, because the park closed down because the republicans in the house wanted it closed down. The rally on the other hand, required permits. The two events were not the same.

Question for you….which is more important to you…the vets being able to visit the park, or the CDC shutting down and not having the resources to respond to a salmonella outbreak? Me? In comparison, I don’t give a shit about vets visiting a park.

[SD Realtor]

Nice try to sidetrack sorry not gonna bite. Bottom line is that preferential treatment is occurring. Permits don’t matter, the mall is closed.

[SK in CV]

[quote=SD Realtor]Nice try to sidetrack sorry not gonna bite. Bottom line is that preferential treatment is occurring. Permits don’t matter, the mall is closed.[/quote]

You admitted it yourself. Unlikely Obama had any part in closing the park to the vets. So how could there have been preference when he wasn’t involved? This is sillier than the IRS preference scandal that never happened.

[FlyerInHi]

The way I see it, when the government is shut down, some part will run and some won’t. Someone will always complain about preferential treatment.

It will be a lot worse if the government is forced to prioritize payment. Lawsuits will be flying left and right.

Some folks grab on to certain news and want to get riled up about the immigration rally. It’s a them vs us issue to frame immigrants right issues as inferior and not deserving. In my opinion, people are people.

[SD Realtor]

Mall is closed. I would bet he had a say in it not being closed for the rally.

[scaredyclassic]

im wondering. first amendment rights.
do people lose the right to congregate in the event of a gov shutdown?
now sure you can shut downa rally. people can “rally” anyway, under the constitution.

no constitutional right to visit a war memorial.

though i guess we could amend that

[scaredyclassic]

if no permits are being issued, maybe now we be a good time for impromptu rallies. i may rally later this week.

[spdrun]

do people lose the right to congregate in the event of a gov shutdown?

No, but does the 1st Amendment state that all possible venues for congregation have to remain open 24/7?

[SK in CV]

[quote=spdrun]

do people lose the right to congregate in the event of a gov shutdown?

No, but does the 1st Amendment state that all possible venues for congregation have to remain open 24/7?[/quote]

No, it doesn’t. Public forums, particularly designated public forums, can and do designate reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions.

[UCGal]

My understanding is that memorials on them all were barricaded off (including the WWII one), but the grassy spaces of the mall were still accessible. Fountains were turned off, Lincoln memorial, etc, were barricaded… but the mall itself – between the memorials, was open.

That said – I also read that all permits to use the mall were canceled… so an exception must have been made in this case.

But the entire mall wasn’t “closed” – it is a HUGE space.

Haven’t you guys read about the S.C. guy who’s mowing the mall since the groundskeepers are furloughed… He is able to access the grass.

[livinincali]

[quote=FlyerInHi]
I think that the democratic process is at stake here. Keep in mind that, in the future, that same kind of shutdown tactic could be employed against a Republican president.[/quote]

I actually hope the republican party dies at this point. The resulting socialist utopia should be an interesting place to live. I figured we were going to go down that path anyways, might as well do it sooner than later. Let’s experience our socialist utopia so we can see how great is really is or isn’t.

[SK in CV]

[quote=livinincali][quote=FlyerInHi]
I think that the democratic process is at stake here. Keep in mind that, in the future, that same kind of shutdown tactic could be employed against a Republican president.[/quote]

I actually hope the republican party dies at this point. The resulting socialist utopia should be an interesting place to live. I figured we were going to go down that path anyways, might as well do it sooner than later. Let’s experience our socialist utopia so we can see how great is really is or isn’t.[/quote]

Who is it that would drive us towards socialism if the republican party died? There’s one socialist in congress. Would you expect a party of one to be able to control both houses and the administration?

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=SD Realtor]Mall is closed. I would bet he had a say in it not being closed for the rally.[/quote]

Even then, what is the outrage? He’s the president and he has powers that others don’t have.

Nothing worse than redrawing electoral maps on the local level, if you have the power to do so. Or having a cross on mt Soledad because some local officials made it possible.

There is a process which is called elections, …or lawsuits.

Some people just seize on some news just to get upset and as an affirmation that they are right.

If I own a restaurant and someone wants to book a party, sure ill open up., even on a closed day. But If I’m closed and people show up unannounced, l’m still closed. There is a process for notification so you can be accommodated, if possible.

[livinincali]

[quote=SK in CV]
Who is it that would drive us towards socialism if the republican party died? There’s one socialist in congress. Would you expect a party of one to be able to control both houses and the administration?[/quote]

An unchecked democratic party would certainly go down a more socialistic path then we are currently on. Redistribution in the name of fairness would be the primary policy and people would likely support them until they got to your assets.

One of the first things they’d probably do is implement a socialistic policy of single payer health care. Are you going to argue that a single payer health system isn’t a socialistic type policy?

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=livinincali]

I actually hope the republican party dies at this point. The resulting socialist utopia should be an interesting place to live. I figured we were going to go down that path anyways, might as well do it sooner than later. Let’s experience our socialist utopia so we can see how great is really is or isn’t.[/quote]

What exactly about the democrat that is socialist? If you.re talking obamacare, werent the complaints that it’s a giveaway to the insurance companies and a cut to Medicare?

If Hillary becomes president, and the democrats get congress, maybe we will have single payer by the end of her second term.

Single payer is not socialist. For socialism to take hold, we.d have to nationalize major industries. I don’t see that happening anytime soon.

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