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SK in CV
Participant[quote=harvey][quote=creechrr]Dude, you just agreed with me.[/quote]
He’s conflicted because he so badly wants it to be about race when it’s really about more.
LOL, even dragging Native Americans into it – that’s a novel twist!
But SK’s core point – if you ignore all the tortured asides about race – is spot on:
Cops need to accept a level of risk. It’s the definition of their job. They should not have the option of harming or endangering the public simply to protect themselves.
Cops who choose to harm others in order to protect themselves are criminals, plain and simple. And society should treat them as criminals.
In return for accepting these risks, cops should receive extraordinary respect. They should be heroes, and treated as heroes. But too many choose to be cowards and – what’s worse – almost all cops accept and even defend the cowards among their ranks.[/quote]
No, it IS about race. And I’m not conflicted at all.
Cops kill too many people unnecessarily.
They kill blacks and Native Americans at almost 3 times the rate as whites.
Blacks are twice as likely to get arrested as whites.
Blacks are twice as likely to be unarmed when killed by police.
Blacks are three times as likely to experience force during encounters with police.
Blacks are four times as likely to be arrested for pot possession as whites.
So it isn’t that blacks are just the first to make a stink about it.
Participant[quote=AN][quote=SK in CV][quote=AN][quote=SK in CV]So you’re saying that we can’t do shit about cops killing blacks at 3 times the rate of whites until somebody makes some noise about Chicago. [/quote]
Never said that, so stop putting words in my mouth. Whatever, I’m done.[/quote]Ok, fair enough. That’s not what you said. Why do you want to see equal rage? Why is that important? Why do you think there isn’t equal rage?[/quote]Why do I want equal rage? Why is it important? Because ALL Black Lives Matter regardless of how it was taken. Especially those of children and innocent bystander who happen to be poor who have to live in the project because they’re poor. I’m much more enraged about some innocent kid getting killed by stray bullet from a gang shoot out than a gang banger or criminal being shot by a cop. I didn’t see BLM going and march for that little girl who was studying in her room and got killed by a stray bullet by some gang banger.
Why do I think there isn’t equal rage? Because black on black killing have been going on for a long time and BLM only started recently AND they only come out for marches and rallies when it’s cop killing black person.
As for your stats, a similar stats can be said going the other way. Cops are 3 times more likely to be killed by a black person than a white person, just like a black person is 3 times more likely to be killed by a cop.[/quote]
Here’s stats:
You have stats that cops are 3 times more likely to be killed by black man than a white man?
BLM has not been going on for just a couple years. The discriminatory treatment of blacks by law enforcement, which BLM is protesting, has literally been going on for centuries.
Participant[quote=AN][quote=SK in CV]So you’re saying that we can’t do shit about cops killing blacks at 3 times the rate of whites until somebody makes some noise about Chicago. [/quote]
Never said that, so stop putting words in my mouth. Whatever, I’m done.[/quote]Ok, fair enough. That’s not what you said. Why do you want to see equal rage? Why is that important? Why do you think there isn’t equal rage?
Participant[quote=creechrr]
I also think we need to acknowledge that the police are shooting everyone not just blacks. I think the difference is that the black community is the first to actually acknowledge the problem and attempt to take action.
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No. Just no.
Police killing people that don’t have to be killed is a problem. A huge problem. Cops who shoot every time their life is in danger are a problem. They’re cops. Everyone can’t be an f’ing hero. But that’s why they’re cops. They should be heros. They should be the guys (and women) who fear for their lives and DON’T shoot.
For the last few years, blacks have been almost 3 times more likely to be shot by cops than whites. Native Americans are more likely too. This calendar year, 6 times more likely. Cops are trained to be wary of people who might want to harm them. But they should also be trained to not panic. If they shoot before they have to, it’s because they panic, and if they panic, they’re not qualified to be cops.
Participant[quote=AN][quote=SK in CV]Why equal outrage? Why is that important? Why is it even related? We can’t fix cops killing blacks at 3 times the rate they kill whites across the country until there’s sufficient rage about something happening in Chicago? (Do you know there isn’t equal rage? Have you spent any time in the south side of Chicago?) Please think this one through before you respond. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.[/quote]
Because Black Lives Matters. Think long and hard about those 3 words and maybe you’ll understand.[/quote]I know exactly what those words mean. So you’re saying that we can’t do shit about cops killing blacks at 3 times the rate of whites until somebody makes some noise about Chicago. So to you, black lives don’t matter, unless someone else does something. Because that kid in Minneapolis that just lost his father doesn’t mean shit. Because he’s only another black man. And if people that have no relationship to him don’t start getting pissed off, then you don’t give a shit about him either. That makes no f’ing sense. None.
I wonder why they didn’t round up Chinese and Koreans like they did with Japanese during WWII, and put them in internment camps. We didn’t hear much from them about Pearl Harbor. They didn’t say anything at all. They should have been rounded up too. Don’tcha think?
Participant[quote=AN][quote=SK in CV][quote=AN][quote=SK in CV][quote=AN][quote=poorgradstudent]I’m certainly curious how the NRA will respond to the recent tragedies.[/quote]
I’m just as curious to see how the BLM movement and the president respond to the cop massacre.[/quote]I’m still waiting to see how cops respond to the BLM movement. So far, it’s been mostly to do nothing but dismiss it. That strategy hasn’t worked out well for anyone.[/quote]
Agree. But at the same time, what is the BLM doing about the black on black killing in cities like Chicago?[/quote]What exactly does one have to do with the other?
Are you saying that it’s fine that cops kill innocent people if they’re black, as long as criminals in Chicago are killing black people too? You’re usually a pretty logical guy. This one makes no sense whatsoever.[/quote]
Uh… no. Read the first word in my response. What I want is equal outrage by the black on black crime. Is it really that hard to understand? It’s NEVER fine for cops to kill anybody (innocent or otherwise), if their life is not in imminent danger. Why would you even assume that?[/quote]Why equal outrage? Why is that important? Why is it even related? We can’t fix cops killing blacks at 3 times the rate they kill whites across the country until there’s sufficient rage about something happening in Chicago? (Do you know there isn’t equal rage? Have you spent any time in the south side of Chicago?) Please think this one through before you respond. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.
Participant[quote=AN][quote=SK in CV][quote=AN][quote=poorgradstudent]I’m certainly curious how the NRA will respond to the recent tragedies.[/quote]
I’m just as curious to see how the BLM movement and the president respond to the cop massacre.[/quote]I’m still waiting to see how cops respond to the BLM movement. So far, it’s been mostly to do nothing but dismiss it. That strategy hasn’t worked out well for anyone.[/quote]
Agree. But at the same time, what is the BLM doing about the black on black killing in cities like Chicago?[/quote]What exactly does one have to do with the other?
Are you saying that it’s fine that cops kill innocent people if they’re black, as long as criminals in Chicago are killing black people too? You’re usually a pretty logical guy. This one makes no sense whatsoever.
Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=SK in CV][quote=poorgradstudent]I’m certainly curious how the NRA will respond to the recent tragedies.[/quote]
Tragedies? As far as the NRA is concerned, they weren’t tragedies. They were successes. You know….good (white) guy with a gun. Crickets. That’s what you’ll here. Crickets.[/quote]
I’m not a member of the NRA and I don’t like (or own) guns. But just because someone is in favor gun ownership doesn’t make them racist homicidal maniacs.[/quote]
You’ve mistaken my words as being about gun owners. It’s not. I didn’t mention gun owners.
Participant[quote=AN][quote=poorgradstudent]I’m certainly curious how the NRA will respond to the recent tragedies.[/quote]
I’m just as curious to see how the BLM movement and the president respond to the cop massacre.[/quote]I’m still waiting to see how cops respond to the BLM movement. So far, it’s been mostly to do nothing but dismiss it. That strategy hasn’t worked out well for anyone.
Participant[quote=phaster]
looking at global markets, we see:http://www.npr.org/2016/07/07/485058709/with-brits-leaving-the-eu-greeks-worry-about-europe-s-future
so given all the horse $hit, my interpretation of the data is,… there exits another bubble (of sorts which is not yet recognized by 99.99% of the population) so best not to be asleep at the wheel![/quote]
What do any of those links have to do with a bubble? And what assets do you think are in a bubble?
Participant[quote=poorgradstudent]I’m certainly curious how the NRA will respond to the recent tragedies.[/quote]
Tragedies? As far as the NRA is concerned, they weren’t tragedies. They were successes. You know….good (white) guy with a gun. Crickets. That’s what you’ll here. Crickets.
ParticipantDo you think it’s a dangerous combo? More dangerous than white people with a legal weapon?
California was an almost open carry state. Until 1967. What changed that was a republican lead movement that resulted in the Mulford Act. Even then, white people carrying guns wasn’t a problem for republicans. But when the streets of Oakland were being patrolled by armed Black Panthers, to protect citizens from the Oakland cops, things had to change. Who was it that took guns away from law abiding people? Ronald Reagan signed the bill into law.
July 5, 2016 at 8:29 PM in reply to: The Donald Trump, Illegal Alien, Foreigner, Immigrant Bitch and Moan Thread #799328Participant[quote=flu]So which is it?[/quote]
If you don’t like brown people, tacos are a really big problem.
Participant[quote=moneymaker]Yes 2PM west coast time, then no markets are open for 60 minutes so the price can’t change during those 60 minutes, right!?[/quote]
Right, and the delta for the day resets when it reopens. Except on Fridays. It closes for the weekend, reopens, I think either 3:00 or 4:00 California time on Sunday. US holidays screw things up. I’m sure they’ll reopen this Sunday. But they might close 6:00 AM on Monday. Or they might not. That might just be what US market futures do. Metals futures probably stay open.
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