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Participantquickly, Hillary has “attacked” Obama for what you two (PC, jg) have been discussing, from what I’ve heard she isn’t saying much of anything different than he said in his book but this is heresay on my part. as I said, from the little I’ve heard it’s being made to sound like it’s his “dirty little secret” that he wants to hide.
lol. imagine the reaction if it was someone other than Hillary (especially a republican!) who pulled such a stunt.
It’ll be interesting to see who calls her out on it.Participantno, it certainly isn’t going to help, but I don’t see it as the straw that breaks the camels back. While everyone who buys citrus products will feel the pinch in higher costs, the most economic pain will be in California.
Participantone of the things I like(d) about this thread, no one was saying they were right or wrong. Now, THAT is a dialogue.
Having read through the post again, I see that I was the most judgemental one here. I apologize to all of you for that.
Participantjztz yes, I have read it but, so what? I can toss that comment right back at you. Yes, I have my misgivings about those numbers and when I get the time, I’ll investigate further. Now I never said the 1.2 trillion wouldn’t do a lot for the country did I? I don’t think it was even implied in my statement. I am fully capable of doing basic math, even with only twenty digits. Realize, that the way mathmatics (for the most part) works is that the formulas execute their function correctly regardless of the accuracy of the numbers.
I still find it to be vague and overall generalized. Seriously, implying that Iraq is the one and only reason for the oil price increase? I find that a glaring falsehood don’t you?
Participantno jg he didn’t sabotage this, at the time he was up north clubbing baby seals in the off season.
Participantwe won’t be better off if we don’t finish what we started TB, but I don’t think you can or will entertain that train of thought. I disagree that the US hasn’t done anything by removing Saddam.
I concede that there have/has been short-sightedness involved, combined with the unrealistic (however well intentioned goal) of attempting to create some sort of democratic self-government in a place where there never has been one and IMO the culture isn’t ready for.
I see both success and failure at all levels.
The sunnis and shiites were killing each other before we arrived yes, even under Saddam TB. It just worked in his best interest to allow it most of the time. If one wanted to make a concession to Saddam he, his family and the Baath party were equal opportunity murderers.
ParticipantI think it’s an honest statement and I agree, but not for all the same reasons that he (or others here) necessarily has in mind (I’m guessing). There are a lot of variables that come into play with the “education” of the American people on our current status in Iraq -some are within his control, some not.
IMO, I think he and his people have done a poor job in their content, context, manner and timing in communicating to the public more often than not in the last couple of years (more or less). Now, don’t miscontrue that statement as to meaning I am going left or right with it. I’m not, there are things I base it upon that will cause vehement disagreement from one side or the other. Also, this doesn’t mean I am against the war either, I’m not (against the war)
I assume the second paragraph is from his address the other night? I still haven’t read it so I’m not sure how to respond as to him talking down to us (I’m paraprasing), if it is, let me know and I’ll read it. Then give you my take.
off the cuff, it appears that a lot of Americans don’t understand and the lesson trying to be taught isn’t concise. You point out accurately that one can learn a language in two years (if motivated) So, using a school as a parable, the teacher has his resonsibilites, as does the administration, as do the students. I think all have failed to some degree
(Bush the teacher, the Administration would be those who
decide how, when, what and where materials are allowed to be used in the curriculum they approve of(I’m thinking in the context of the media mostly maybe, I need to add the School Board and disseminate it more properly) and the public – us are the students.I know that isn’t a very eloquent example but I am a little pressed for time at the moment.
I look forward to your critique.Participantjg, I don’t think it’s particularly hilarious, but there is a certain type of…. wit to it. Now if she said sdnumbnuts,
that would be hilarious (IMO)ParticipantIs this economically or politically motivated? Political IMO. So for less than half of 1.2 trillion dollars we can fund a national public health “campaign” (I hope that means program) for a decade? Yes, yes, I know, and cancer research, diabetes, heart disease and worldwide immunization of children. Sounds a little too good to be true.
I read this and wind up with a lot of questions and doubts as to the veracity of many of these statements. I also initially find some inaccuracies, for me there is too much that at an first reading, I find to be generalized and vague.
Participant“When you find yourself losing in a contest, you should take a moment to ask yourself if your opponent is playing the same game that you are.”
Interesting….
Participantgood post zk
Participantlostkitty, feel better now? You’ve shown that you can be nasty and obviously don’t understand parts of your post (at least in the context that you communicated them) – read your post again. No, forget it, it’s a waste of your time and I certainly won’t waste my time trying to explain to you of how what you so poorly wrote comes across.
ParticipantLOL
Participantlostkitty, no, you attempted to use their misfortune to validate your argument. “Just ask” remember? That implies that they would for all intent and purposes support your opinion. I put no words in your mouth.
As far as the results of our current response, it’s purely hypothetical that the casualties are FAR larger than some other type of response. You don’t know that, no one does.
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