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[quote=jficquette]

If a guy like Dr. Mitchell believes in it maybe you should not dismiss it out of hand.

John[/quote]

If a LOT of scientists with reputations as being strong scientific method types who apply rigorous skepticism to their work and others’ believed in it, then I’d probably buy in that perhaps there was something to it.

One guy believing in it who has a degree, a background as being an astronaut over 30 years ago, and a reputation among scientists as being more than a bit of a crank doesn’t have the same impact.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=jficquette]SDEngineer:

The universe is 13-20 billion years old depending on who you ask.

Earth has been here 5 billion.

That gives us 8-15 billion years of missing time.

Within 100 to 200 years mainstream science will know how to get to the stars so consider a race 1000 years ahead of us, or 1 million years ahead. It would be probably impossible for them to miss us since we probably stand out like a sore thumb.

Here, this the most comphrehensive presentation that I have found on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

John

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As I pointed out above, I don’t consider it an impossibility, I simply consider it very unlikely that an alien race has visited us, was discovered by the US Government, which has subsequently covered it up for decades.

The technological gap – as I noted before, and you alluded to – implied by relatively common long distance interstellar travel is simply so enormous (in terms of relative advancement, not temporally – a race 1000 years in advance of us from our current era of development is FAR more advanced than for example we are in comparison to our medieval counterparts of a thousand years ago) that chance discovery simply would be so unlikely as to be practically impossible. And a planned contact with just one government is almost equally unlikely, as I don’t see any possible reason for an alien civilization to reveal itself to a human government far in advance of when they would plan to reveal themselves to the entire human civilization.

And it would be their choice – any race that far in advance of us would treat us as superstitious primitives (and rightly so). Why would they consult with one of our primitive governments, and hide themselves from all other human beings, any more than we would sneak into a aboriginal village in Papua New Guinea, and ask the local elders advice about whether we should hide from the other natives?

[SDEngineer]

[quote=jficquette]SDEngineer:

The universe is 13-20 billion years old depending on who you ask.

Earth has been here 5 billion.

That gives us 8-15 billion years of missing time.

Within 100 to 200 years mainstream science will know how to get to the stars so consider a race 1000 years ahead of us, or 1 million years ahead. It would be probably impossible for them to miss us since we probably stand out like a sore thumb.

Here, this the most comphrehensive presentation that I have found on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

John

[/quote]

As I pointed out above, I don’t consider it an impossibility, I simply consider it very unlikely that an alien race has visited us, was discovered by the US Government, which has subsequently covered it up for decades.

The technological gap – as I noted before, and you alluded to – implied by relatively common long distance interstellar travel is simply so enormous (in terms of relative advancement, not temporally – a race 1000 years in advance of us from our current era of development is FAR more advanced than for example we are in comparison to our medieval counterparts of a thousand years ago) that chance discovery simply would be so unlikely as to be practically impossible. And a planned contact with just one government is almost equally unlikely, as I don’t see any possible reason for an alien civilization to reveal itself to a human government far in advance of when they would plan to reveal themselves to the entire human civilization.

And it would be their choice – any race that far in advance of us would treat us as superstitious primitives (and rightly so). Why would they consult with one of our primitive governments, and hide themselves from all other human beings, any more than we would sneak into a aboriginal village in Papua New Guinea, and ask the local elders advice about whether we should hide from the other natives?

[SDEngineer]

[quote=jficquette]SDEngineer:

The universe is 13-20 billion years old depending on who you ask.

Earth has been here 5 billion.

That gives us 8-15 billion years of missing time.

Within 100 to 200 years mainstream science will know how to get to the stars so consider a race 1000 years ahead of us, or 1 million years ahead. It would be probably impossible for them to miss us since we probably stand out like a sore thumb.

Here, this the most comphrehensive presentation that I have found on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

John

[/quote]

As I pointed out above, I don’t consider it an impossibility, I simply consider it very unlikely that an alien race has visited us, was discovered by the US Government, which has subsequently covered it up for decades.

The technological gap – as I noted before, and you alluded to – implied by relatively common long distance interstellar travel is simply so enormous (in terms of relative advancement, not temporally – a race 1000 years in advance of us from our current era of development is FAR more advanced than for example we are in comparison to our medieval counterparts of a thousand years ago) that chance discovery simply would be so unlikely as to be practically impossible. And a planned contact with just one government is almost equally unlikely, as I don’t see any possible reason for an alien civilization to reveal itself to a human government far in advance of when they would plan to reveal themselves to the entire human civilization.

And it would be their choice – any race that far in advance of us would treat us as superstitious primitives (and rightly so). Why would they consult with one of our primitive governments, and hide themselves from all other human beings, any more than we would sneak into a aboriginal village in Papua New Guinea, and ask the local elders advice about whether we should hide from the other natives?

[SDEngineer]

[quote=jficquette]SDEngineer:

The universe is 13-20 billion years old depending on who you ask.

Earth has been here 5 billion.

That gives us 8-15 billion years of missing time.

Within 100 to 200 years mainstream science will know how to get to the stars so consider a race 1000 years ahead of us, or 1 million years ahead. It would be probably impossible for them to miss us since we probably stand out like a sore thumb.

Here, this the most comphrehensive presentation that I have found on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

John

[/quote]

As I pointed out above, I don’t consider it an impossibility, I simply consider it very unlikely that an alien race has visited us, was discovered by the US Government, which has subsequently covered it up for decades.

The technological gap – as I noted before, and you alluded to – implied by relatively common long distance interstellar travel is simply so enormous (in terms of relative advancement, not temporally – a race 1000 years in advance of us from our current era of development is FAR more advanced than for example we are in comparison to our medieval counterparts of a thousand years ago) that chance discovery simply would be so unlikely as to be practically impossible. And a planned contact with just one government is almost equally unlikely, as I don’t see any possible reason for an alien civilization to reveal itself to a human government far in advance of when they would plan to reveal themselves to the entire human civilization.

And it would be their choice – any race that far in advance of us would treat us as superstitious primitives (and rightly so). Why would they consult with one of our primitive governments, and hide themselves from all other human beings, any more than we would sneak into a aboriginal village in Papua New Guinea, and ask the local elders advice about whether we should hide from the other natives?

[SDEngineer]

[quote=jficquette]SDEngineer:

The universe is 13-20 billion years old depending on who you ask.

Earth has been here 5 billion.

That gives us 8-15 billion years of missing time.

Within 100 to 200 years mainstream science will know how to get to the stars so consider a race 1000 years ahead of us, or 1 million years ahead. It would be probably impossible for them to miss us since we probably stand out like a sore thumb.

Here, this the most comphrehensive presentation that I have found on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

John

[/quote]

As I pointed out above, I don’t consider it an impossibility, I simply consider it very unlikely that an alien race has visited us, was discovered by the US Government, which has subsequently covered it up for decades.

The technological gap – as I noted before, and you alluded to – implied by relatively common long distance interstellar travel is simply so enormous (in terms of relative advancement, not temporally – a race 1000 years in advance of us from our current era of development is FAR more advanced than for example we are in comparison to our medieval counterparts of a thousand years ago) that chance discovery simply would be so unlikely as to be practically impossible. And a planned contact with just one government is almost equally unlikely, as I don’t see any possible reason for an alien civilization to reveal itself to a human government far in advance of when they would plan to reveal themselves to the entire human civilization.

And it would be their choice – any race that far in advance of us would treat us as superstitious primitives (and rightly so). Why would they consult with one of our primitive governments, and hide themselves from all other human beings, any more than we would sneak into a aboriginal village in Papua New Guinea, and ask the local elders advice about whether we should hide from the other natives?

[SDEngineer]

[quote=nostradamus]Thanks SDE. I was just throwing out 100 light years to say “it’s far”. Alpha Centauri is 4.35 light years away but according to what I just read nobody knows whether there are planets there… While a sun is the center of a solar system what I meant was a system with planets.

Anyhoo with the rest of your post I think we are in agreement. Did you watch the monkeys vid???

I think that, like many religions, people believe in things they cannot disprove. I choose to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster but haven’t decided whether his noodly holiness is an alien or not. I just have to have faith.

[/quote]

No, didn’t watch the monkeys video. Generally can’t view outside videos from here (blocked by the cybersniffer on our web access).

I prefer the Invisible Pink Unicorn myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn

[SDEngineer]

[quote=nostradamus]Thanks SDE. I was just throwing out 100 light years to say “it’s far”. Alpha Centauri is 4.35 light years away but according to what I just read nobody knows whether there are planets there… While a sun is the center of a solar system what I meant was a system with planets.

Anyhoo with the rest of your post I think we are in agreement. Did you watch the monkeys vid???

I think that, like many religions, people believe in things they cannot disprove. I choose to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster but haven’t decided whether his noodly holiness is an alien or not. I just have to have faith.

[/quote]

No, didn’t watch the monkeys video. Generally can’t view outside videos from here (blocked by the cybersniffer on our web access).

I prefer the Invisible Pink Unicorn myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn

[SDEngineer]

[quote=nostradamus]Thanks SDE. I was just throwing out 100 light years to say “it’s far”. Alpha Centauri is 4.35 light years away but according to what I just read nobody knows whether there are planets there… While a sun is the center of a solar system what I meant was a system with planets.

Anyhoo with the rest of your post I think we are in agreement. Did you watch the monkeys vid???

I think that, like many religions, people believe in things they cannot disprove. I choose to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster but haven’t decided whether his noodly holiness is an alien or not. I just have to have faith.

[/quote]

No, didn’t watch the monkeys video. Generally can’t view outside videos from here (blocked by the cybersniffer on our web access).

I prefer the Invisible Pink Unicorn myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn

[SDEngineer]

[quote=nostradamus]Thanks SDE. I was just throwing out 100 light years to say “it’s far”. Alpha Centauri is 4.35 light years away but according to what I just read nobody knows whether there are planets there… While a sun is the center of a solar system what I meant was a system with planets.

Anyhoo with the rest of your post I think we are in agreement. Did you watch the monkeys vid???

I think that, like many religions, people believe in things they cannot disprove. I choose to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster but haven’t decided whether his noodly holiness is an alien or not. I just have to have faith.

[/quote]

No, didn’t watch the monkeys video. Generally can’t view outside videos from here (blocked by the cybersniffer on our web access).

I prefer the Invisible Pink Unicorn myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn

[SDEngineer]

[quote=nostradamus]Thanks SDE. I was just throwing out 100 light years to say “it’s far”. Alpha Centauri is 4.35 light years away but according to what I just read nobody knows whether there are planets there… While a sun is the center of a solar system what I meant was a system with planets.

Anyhoo with the rest of your post I think we are in agreement. Did you watch the monkeys vid???

I think that, like many religions, people believe in things they cannot disprove. I choose to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster but haven’t decided whether his noodly holiness is an alien or not. I just have to have faith.

[/quote]

No, didn’t watch the monkeys video. Generally can’t view outside videos from here (blocked by the cybersniffer on our web access).

I prefer the Invisible Pink Unicorn myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn

[SDEngineer]

[quote=4plexowner]SDEngineer – have you ever considered the vast capabilities of the human mind that are as-yet undiscovered / unresearched?

The average human is using 10% of his brain – what’s up with the other 90%?

Uri Geller?

pre-cognition?

To dismiss the para-normal (only called that because we don’t understand it yet) out-of-hand is rather small-minded IMO

~

have to recharge my hat now …

[/quote]

It is a myth that you only use 10% of your brain. You use the entire thing, just not all at the same time.

http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp

While we don’t know how the entire thing works (yet), if such paranormal activities were possible, I think we’d see FAR better evidence than currently exists for them (which consists almost entirely of testimonials by folks – like Dr. Mitchell – who have a history of being credulous, and which cannot be reproduced under any sort of controlled conditions).

Uri Geller is a magician, no different from David Copperfield, except that Uri keeps his persona on at all times, whereas offstage, Copperfield acknowledges he’s doing tricks. Uri has had his act blown several times by skeptics (including famously by Johnny Carson). However, the credulity of his audience allows him to continue to rake in the bucks.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=4plexowner]SDEngineer – have you ever considered the vast capabilities of the human mind that are as-yet undiscovered / unresearched?

The average human is using 10% of his brain – what’s up with the other 90%?

Uri Geller?

pre-cognition?

To dismiss the para-normal (only called that because we don’t understand it yet) out-of-hand is rather small-minded IMO

~

have to recharge my hat now …

[/quote]

It is a myth that you only use 10% of your brain. You use the entire thing, just not all at the same time.

http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp

While we don’t know how the entire thing works (yet), if such paranormal activities were possible, I think we’d see FAR better evidence than currently exists for them (which consists almost entirely of testimonials by folks – like Dr. Mitchell – who have a history of being credulous, and which cannot be reproduced under any sort of controlled conditions).

Uri Geller is a magician, no different from David Copperfield, except that Uri keeps his persona on at all times, whereas offstage, Copperfield acknowledges he’s doing tricks. Uri has had his act blown several times by skeptics (including famously by Johnny Carson). However, the credulity of his audience allows him to continue to rake in the bucks.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=4plexowner]SDEngineer – have you ever considered the vast capabilities of the human mind that are as-yet undiscovered / unresearched?

The average human is using 10% of his brain – what’s up with the other 90%?

Uri Geller?

pre-cognition?

To dismiss the para-normal (only called that because we don’t understand it yet) out-of-hand is rather small-minded IMO

~

have to recharge my hat now …

[/quote]

It is a myth that you only use 10% of your brain. You use the entire thing, just not all at the same time.

http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp

While we don’t know how the entire thing works (yet), if such paranormal activities were possible, I think we’d see FAR better evidence than currently exists for them (which consists almost entirely of testimonials by folks – like Dr. Mitchell – who have a history of being credulous, and which cannot be reproduced under any sort of controlled conditions).

Uri Geller is a magician, no different from David Copperfield, except that Uri keeps his persona on at all times, whereas offstage, Copperfield acknowledges he’s doing tricks. Uri has had his act blown several times by skeptics (including famously by Johnny Carson). However, the credulity of his audience allows him to continue to rake in the bucks.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=4plexowner]SDEngineer – have you ever considered the vast capabilities of the human mind that are as-yet undiscovered / unresearched?

The average human is using 10% of his brain – what’s up with the other 90%?

Uri Geller?

pre-cognition?

To dismiss the para-normal (only called that because we don’t understand it yet) out-of-hand is rather small-minded IMO

~

have to recharge my hat now …

[/quote]

It is a myth that you only use 10% of your brain. You use the entire thing, just not all at the same time.

http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp

While we don’t know how the entire thing works (yet), if such paranormal activities were possible, I think we’d see FAR better evidence than currently exists for them (which consists almost entirely of testimonials by folks – like Dr. Mitchell – who have a history of being credulous, and which cannot be reproduced under any sort of controlled conditions).

Uri Geller is a magician, no different from David Copperfield, except that Uri keeps his persona on at all times, whereas offstage, Copperfield acknowledges he’s doing tricks. Uri has had his act blown several times by skeptics (including famously by Johnny Carson). However, the credulity of his audience allows him to continue to rake in the bucks.

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