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[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=sdduuuude][quote=ocrenter]We spent $133 million for a guy’s golf over the last 3 years. Prospective, people![/quote]

Just because that is wrong doesn’t make this not wrong.[/quote]

Hold on. 133 million tax dollars so a white man can golf is one thing. That’s fucking america, he s our capitalist in chief and he won the right to sponge off us fair and square. That’s fine

But $40 million tax dollars so 150000 brown humanoids can eat, and support local business, That is outrageous. That is just unfuckingbelievable. It’s a fucking outrage. It makes me sick to my stomach.

Obama too, should not have played golf. Dude was way too dark to be spending tax dollars on golf.

Get that fucking guy off the course. Trump, play thru![/quote]

I think u misread my post. I implied that both are wrong. Not that the golf money was OK and the free money to random foreigners was wrong.

It confuses people when I say I don’t like something the Republicans do AND I don’t like something the Democrats do.

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[quote=spdrun]Do you really want to get in a car crash when hospitals are filled to the brim with COVID patients?[/quote]

I don’t want to get in a car crash at any time.

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[quote=spdrun]We’re not protecting only the elderly and the sick … we’re protecting anyone who needs hospital care for other things from overwhelmed hospitals.[/quote]

And what percentage of the population is that ?

[quote=spdrun]The goal needs to be to prevent uncontrolled spread until we reach herd immunity or a vaccine is found.[/quote]

Allowing low-risk people to resume their lives would help this immensely.

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Don’t even have to get back to “normal.”
Just to “sustainable”

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[quote=ocrenter]We spent $133 million for a guy’s golf over the last 3 years. Prospective, people![/quote]

Just because that is wrong doesn’t make this not wrong.

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[quote=outtamojo]I agree it is a huge sacrifice and we have to try to get back to normal soon. I hope that Gilead drug continues to do well in trials. If we can at least treat the bad cases with some efficacy I see no reason to continue any kind of shutdown.
I wonder how businesses have looked without a formal shutdown? Would shopping malls be staffed but deserted? Restaurants? Casinos? I sure as heck would not get on a cruise ship. Maybe we didn’t actually lose that much by telling people to stay home vs not telling them.

ER volume where I work is roughly 30% of normal. There are no orders telling people they cant go to the ER. Are people suddenly healthier or are they staying away for their own reasons? Shutdown or no shutdown the virus was going to have its effect.[/quote]

And I’m not suggesting that, to this point, we have over-reacted. Just saying it isn’t a sustainable situation, socially, economically, psychologically.

Schools. I just think we need to get the kids to school. Hearing nightmares from medical workers that have to deal w/ young school-aged kids. Nobody wants to babysit for them, working long hours, 1st grader supposed to figure out how to join a zoom class. It is a “cure worse than the disease” situation I think.

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[quote=outtamojo]I wanna join. Will there be t shirts?
Can I get another member to pay my dues?[/quote]

U made soda come out my nose.

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I’m not a socialist either, so. I guess this is not really that interesting to me at all.

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[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=outtamojo]Sounds like there will be civil unrest soon.[/quote]

Yeah. The protests are starting already.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/us/protests-coronavirus-stay-home-orders/index.html%5B/quote%5D

Bottom line here is that the whole country is putting themselves out to protect the elderly. I’m not judging good or bad, just pointing out a fact.

Stay-at-home and no human contact is not a sustainable solution for humans, especially in the US where people expect the Bill of Rights protects us from extreme government control.

People are eventually gonna decide that sacrificing their livelihood for 1% of the population is not something they are willing to do. They are also going to start questioning if going to massive outdoor park or walking trail where they may pass within 5 feet of someone once every 10 minutes is actually a problem and why people sitting with their friends on the beach are getting ticketed. And, for sure – the extroverts of the world are going to go mad and become depressed if they can’t hug their friends on a daily basis.

A more sustainable solution is necessary and the politicians who think they are in control of everything are going to find out they aren’t. They need to learn the difference between “perfect” and “optimal.”

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That is pretty interesting. The NRA stands on solid ground but the house they built is a mess. I am not a gun owner.

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[quote=sdduuuude][quote=phaster]upon reading (what caught my eye) what came to mind was an editorial cartoon

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The depression doesn’t come from what they have to do, it comes from what was taken from them – the collective graduation that they have been working for and looking forward to their whole lives. In a sense, it is their life. I think this cartoon doesn’t apply to those HS seniors at all. Maybe to young adults who complaining about how awful their situation is, but not to a depressed HS Senior. That is not fair by any means. [/quote]

P.S. Two teen suicides this weekend in San Diego county. They weren’t reported but we got emails that two teens died but details were being being withheld to protect the families. That usually means suicide. For teens in San Diego, the death rate from the cure is higher than the death rate from the virus.

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From the other thread:

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=outtamojo]Sounds like there will be civil unrest soon.[/quote]

Yeah. The protests are starting already.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/us/protests-coronavirus-stay-home-orders/index.html%5B/quote%5D

This is the conflict I was expecting.

The right to peaceably assemble and protest government action in a location where gatherings of a certain size have been forbidden.

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[quote=phaster]upon reading (what caught my eye) what came to mind was an editorial cartoon

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The depression doesn’t come from what they have to do, it comes from what was taken from them – the collective graduation that they have been working for and looking forward to their whole lives. In a sense, it is their life. I think this cartoon doesn’t apply to those HS seniors at all. Maybe to young adults who complaining about how awful their situation is, but not to a depressed HS Senior. That is not fair by any means.

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[quote=scaredyclassic]It is kind of a tough call. How much is a human life worth? Are the elderly Nonworking worth less?

How much suffering will society tolerate if the hospitals get overwhelmed.

A life really isnt worth much, dollar wise. In litigation, you get more for suffering, ongoing care than a nice quick death.

People are really kinda cheap. You cant buy em but if you kill one and it didn’t earn much, it’s not all that expensive. A nice house in SD is worth more[/quote]

I’m not suggesting we kill all the old people. Just keep them in isolation so the whole county doesn’t get put out, economically, to protect them.

San Diego has a total of about 2100 cases.
That many died in NY in the last three days.

There are seniors in high school who are deeply depressed. For them, a worse medical condition that if they contracted the virus.

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[quote=spdrun]Probably more like a rat or mouse. A pest that’s relatively unlikely to kill you but multiplies very quickly.[/quote]

Well done.

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