[SD Realtor]

So once again,

Your compelling argument is… and lets just state this for the record,

that this bill should be passed because

a) because if it is not passed now it will not be passed at all.

or

b) because the govt sucked in the past it is okay to continue to suck.

Again, I am not being facetious here, I am simply trying to understand why you want THIS PARTICULAR health reform bill to pass. Again, I am not saying health reform is not needed, I just want a more well thought out plan, one that is more understandable with a less orwellian approach.

So far both yours and conchos responses to my continued queries have been simply to say that this is the way it has always been so it is okay to continue in this manner. (ie patriot act, war in iraq, etc…)

Anyways if you could clarify my understanding that would help.

[SD Realtor]

So once again,

Your compelling argument is… and lets just state this for the record,

that this bill should be passed because

a) because if it is not passed now it will not be passed at all.

or

b) because the govt sucked in the past it is okay to continue to suck.

Again, I am not being facetious here, I am simply trying to understand why you want THIS PARTICULAR health reform bill to pass. Again, I am not saying health reform is not needed, I just want a more well thought out plan, one that is more understandable with a less orwellian approach.

So far both yours and conchos responses to my continued queries have been simply to say that this is the way it has always been so it is okay to continue in this manner. (ie patriot act, war in iraq, etc…)

Anyways if you could clarify my understanding that would help.

[SD Realtor]

So once again,

Your compelling argument is… and lets just state this for the record,

that this bill should be passed because

a) because if it is not passed now it will not be passed at all.

or

b) because the govt sucked in the past it is okay to continue to suck.

Again, I am not being facetious here, I am simply trying to understand why you want THIS PARTICULAR health reform bill to pass. Again, I am not saying health reform is not needed, I just want a more well thought out plan, one that is more understandable with a less orwellian approach.

So far both yours and conchos responses to my continued queries have been simply to say that this is the way it has always been so it is okay to continue in this manner. (ie patriot act, war in iraq, etc…)

Anyways if you could clarify my understanding that would help.

[SD Realtor]

So once again,

Your compelling argument is… and lets just state this for the record,

that this bill should be passed because

a) because if it is not passed now it will not be passed at all.

or

b) because the govt sucked in the past it is okay to continue to suck.

Again, I am not being facetious here, I am simply trying to understand why you want THIS PARTICULAR health reform bill to pass. Again, I am not saying health reform is not needed, I just want a more well thought out plan, one that is more understandable with a less orwellian approach.

So far both yours and conchos responses to my continued queries have been simply to say that this is the way it has always been so it is okay to continue in this manner. (ie patriot act, war in iraq, etc…)

Anyways if you could clarify my understanding that would help.

[SD Realtor]

Well stopitnow, he got his number from the fact that you, or whoever owned the home purchased it in 1992 for a price of 217k. Over the years you, or whoever owned it then did several refinance activities culminating in your, or whoever owns it, refinance back in 2006 for a first mortgage of 514k and a second mortgage of 96k. So lets see, you started with 390k and ended with over 600k. So somewhere you either pocketed well over 350k or you spent it on something. Obviously with the shape of the home in as bad a condition as you made it out to be, you certainly didn’t spend it on upkeep.

[SD Realtor]

Well stopitnow, he got his number from the fact that you, or whoever owned the home purchased it in 1992 for a price of 217k. Over the years you, or whoever owned it then did several refinance activities culminating in your, or whoever owns it, refinance back in 2006 for a first mortgage of 514k and a second mortgage of 96k. So lets see, you started with 390k and ended with over 600k. So somewhere you either pocketed well over 350k or you spent it on something. Obviously with the shape of the home in as bad a condition as you made it out to be, you certainly didn’t spend it on upkeep.

[SD Realtor]

Well stopitnow, he got his number from the fact that you, or whoever owned the home purchased it in 1992 for a price of 217k. Over the years you, or whoever owned it then did several refinance activities culminating in your, or whoever owns it, refinance back in 2006 for a first mortgage of 514k and a second mortgage of 96k. So lets see, you started with 390k and ended with over 600k. So somewhere you either pocketed well over 350k or you spent it on something. Obviously with the shape of the home in as bad a condition as you made it out to be, you certainly didn’t spend it on upkeep.

[SD Realtor]

Well stopitnow, he got his number from the fact that you, or whoever owned the home purchased it in 1992 for a price of 217k. Over the years you, or whoever owned it then did several refinance activities culminating in your, or whoever owns it, refinance back in 2006 for a first mortgage of 514k and a second mortgage of 96k. So lets see, you started with 390k and ended with over 600k. So somewhere you either pocketed well over 350k or you spent it on something. Obviously with the shape of the home in as bad a condition as you made it out to be, you certainly didn’t spend it on upkeep.

[SD Realtor]

Well stopitnow, he got his number from the fact that you, or whoever owned the home purchased it in 1992 for a price of 217k. Over the years you, or whoever owned it then did several refinance activities culminating in your, or whoever owns it, refinance back in 2006 for a first mortgage of 514k and a second mortgage of 96k. So lets see, you started with 390k and ended with over 600k. So somewhere you either pocketed well over 350k or you spent it on something. Obviously with the shape of the home in as bad a condition as you made it out to be, you certainly didn’t spend it on upkeep.

[SD Realtor]

[quote=dbapig][quote=CONCHO]
The system I would like the most for the US would be the Swiss system of highly regulated private medical insurance, but we can never have it here because corporations run the government.[/quote]

How true. I think we ALL can agree on this.[/quote]

Yes I think we can. Again, my argument is not against reform. What I am trying to state is that once this is done, it is quite possible that it can NEVER be undone. Thus to say well if we study it and NOTHING gets done then I think it is preferable then getting something done that could very well be worse. I am in agreement that the country is essentially run by corporations. That while the “intent” is to provide competition to existing plans, it is not a stretch that many of these plans will indeed go away.

Take a look at the Hawaii (Obamas birthstate) mandated healthcare and look what happened there.

My argument is not against reform but it IS FOR a well thought out plan.

Once it is done, we will live with it. I would like to get a much better understanding of it.

Here… You have John Conyers himself saying

“What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

So is this what you guys are advocating? The *&*&$# bill is so complex that nimbus congressman are not going to even read it. However yes we must pass it because if we do not then nothing will ever pass. I am just sorry I don’t agree with this philosophy. I am sorry that the govt has fkd up in the past but please just have the guy read the damn bill okay?

[SD Realtor]

[quote=dbapig][quote=CONCHO]
The system I would like the most for the US would be the Swiss system of highly regulated private medical insurance, but we can never have it here because corporations run the government.[/quote]

How true. I think we ALL can agree on this.[/quote]

Yes I think we can. Again, my argument is not against reform. What I am trying to state is that once this is done, it is quite possible that it can NEVER be undone. Thus to say well if we study it and NOTHING gets done then I think it is preferable then getting something done that could very well be worse. I am in agreement that the country is essentially run by corporations. That while the “intent” is to provide competition to existing plans, it is not a stretch that many of these plans will indeed go away.

Take a look at the Hawaii (Obamas birthstate) mandated healthcare and look what happened there.

My argument is not against reform but it IS FOR a well thought out plan.

Once it is done, we will live with it. I would like to get a much better understanding of it.

Here… You have John Conyers himself saying

“What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

So is this what you guys are advocating? The *&*&$# bill is so complex that nimbus congressman are not going to even read it. However yes we must pass it because if we do not then nothing will ever pass. I am just sorry I don’t agree with this philosophy. I am sorry that the govt has fkd up in the past but please just have the guy read the damn bill okay?

[SD Realtor]

[quote=dbapig][quote=CONCHO]
The system I would like the most for the US would be the Swiss system of highly regulated private medical insurance, but we can never have it here because corporations run the government.[/quote]

How true. I think we ALL can agree on this.[/quote]

Yes I think we can. Again, my argument is not against reform. What I am trying to state is that once this is done, it is quite possible that it can NEVER be undone. Thus to say well if we study it and NOTHING gets done then I think it is preferable then getting something done that could very well be worse. I am in agreement that the country is essentially run by corporations. That while the “intent” is to provide competition to existing plans, it is not a stretch that many of these plans will indeed go away.

Take a look at the Hawaii (Obamas birthstate) mandated healthcare and look what happened there.

My argument is not against reform but it IS FOR a well thought out plan.

Once it is done, we will live with it. I would like to get a much better understanding of it.

Here… You have John Conyers himself saying

“What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

So is this what you guys are advocating? The *&*&$# bill is so complex that nimbus congressman are not going to even read it. However yes we must pass it because if we do not then nothing will ever pass. I am just sorry I don’t agree with this philosophy. I am sorry that the govt has fkd up in the past but please just have the guy read the damn bill okay?

[SD Realtor]

[quote=dbapig][quote=CONCHO]
The system I would like the most for the US would be the Swiss system of highly regulated private medical insurance, but we can never have it here because corporations run the government.[/quote]

How true. I think we ALL can agree on this.[/quote]

Yes I think we can. Again, my argument is not against reform. What I am trying to state is that once this is done, it is quite possible that it can NEVER be undone. Thus to say well if we study it and NOTHING gets done then I think it is preferable then getting something done that could very well be worse. I am in agreement that the country is essentially run by corporations. That while the “intent” is to provide competition to existing plans, it is not a stretch that many of these plans will indeed go away.

Take a look at the Hawaii (Obamas birthstate) mandated healthcare and look what happened there.

My argument is not against reform but it IS FOR a well thought out plan.

Once it is done, we will live with it. I would like to get a much better understanding of it.

Here… You have John Conyers himself saying

“What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

So is this what you guys are advocating? The *&*&$# bill is so complex that nimbus congressman are not going to even read it. However yes we must pass it because if we do not then nothing will ever pass. I am just sorry I don’t agree with this philosophy. I am sorry that the govt has fkd up in the past but please just have the guy read the damn bill okay?

[SD Realtor]

[quote=dbapig][quote=CONCHO]
The system I would like the most for the US would be the Swiss system of highly regulated private medical insurance, but we can never have it here because corporations run the government.[/quote]

How true. I think we ALL can agree on this.[/quote]

Yes I think we can. Again, my argument is not against reform. What I am trying to state is that once this is done, it is quite possible that it can NEVER be undone. Thus to say well if we study it and NOTHING gets done then I think it is preferable then getting something done that could very well be worse. I am in agreement that the country is essentially run by corporations. That while the “intent” is to provide competition to existing plans, it is not a stretch that many of these plans will indeed go away.

Take a look at the Hawaii (Obamas birthstate) mandated healthcare and look what happened there.

My argument is not against reform but it IS FOR a well thought out plan.

Once it is done, we will live with it. I would like to get a much better understanding of it.

Here… You have John Conyers himself saying

“What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

So is this what you guys are advocating? The *&*&$# bill is so complex that nimbus congressman are not going to even read it. However yes we must pass it because if we do not then nothing will ever pass. I am just sorry I don’t agree with this philosophy. I am sorry that the govt has fkd up in the past but please just have the guy read the damn bill okay?

[SD Realtor]

So again, just trying to understand your logic dba. First it was, it had to be rammed through because it will not pass if we wait and really study it. Now it is okay it can be rammed through because previous administrations rammed things through.

My mistake I should have thought of that. Doing something wrong because it was done wrong before certainly justifies doing something wrong again.

Trying to compare South Korea to the US is not practical. In essence, the demographics of the population do not scale at all. Neither does the illegal immigration issues, nor the number of baby boomers we have aging. I would even venture to say South Korea does not have the welfare problem we have today. In essence in some situations it does work but in ours the solution is much more complex and will require more study.

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