ObamaCare…coming soon

[an]

[quote=CA renter]
Contrary to what many seem to think, I remember American families eating more poorly in the 70s than they do today. Back then, we ate bologna and cheese sandwiches with mayo on Wonder white bread. We washed that down with a Hawaian Punch, and finished off with some M&Ms.

Though poor diets are very common in low-income areas, they’ve always been like this — I don’t think there have been any significant diet changes in that demographic.

These days, among the middle and upper-class families, many parents try to have produce with every meal, and rarely give their kids soda or the “juice products” that are mostly sugar water. I actually think we have a healthier diet today in this demographic.

I think our “obesity problem” is due to the change in lifestyle, more than a poor diet. Like Allan and I were discussing earlier, kids played outside **all the time** riding bikes, playing sports, swimming, etc. We didn’t have computers or cable TV to suck up our lives. We were allowed to **live** life instead of watch someone else’s life on TV. As a general rule, it seems most of my friends were allowed to watch a maximum of one hour per day, many of us were restricted to less.

As many people who have kids know, if we don’t sign our kids up for “organized” activities, kids don’t get nearly the same level of physical activity these days.

BTW, all of this applies to us adults, too. How many of us watch TV or use computers more than our parents ever did? (raises hand)[/quote]
I’ll raise my hand too. I have no objection with the fact that our activity level is very different than the 70s. However, I have a suspicion that our portion size today is much larger than what it used to be back then. Bad food in moderation, I think is still better than, huge portion of food that’s slightly better.

One other factor is, there tends to be a lot more dual income family today than it used to be in the 70s/80s. When both parents work, many times, fast food/eating out is the only option. Home cooked meal will, most of the time, be better for you than fast food/eating out.

[CA renter]

AN,

Yes, agree with both of your points (larger portions and fast food) as well.

[CA renter]

AN,

Yes, agree with both of your points (larger portions and fast food) as well.

[CA renter]

AN,

Yes, agree with both of your points (larger portions and fast food) as well.

[CA renter]

AN,

Yes, agree with both of your points (larger portions and fast food) as well.

[CA renter]

AN,

Yes, agree with both of your points (larger portions and fast food) as well.

[dbapig]

[quote=SD Realtor]Concho and DBA the premise that you guys bring to the table is simply not realistic. It is not. Is every person who has aids going to get treated? Is every person who has drug resistant tb going to get treated as well? So in this perfect world of health maintenance provided by our government everyone will be in perfect health?

I guess I am in the minority by not being afraid to go out in public for fear of catching TB from a guy at a stoplight. I better wait until universal health care comes to go outside… whew, thanks for telling me.

I mean really now, come on guys.

When I argued cap and trade one of the brilliant points taken up by the opposition was that we should lead and countries like India and China will follow. Oh and by the way we will develop all this technology that they will buy to keep thier own development clean. Hmmm, I think I read recently that India just said go to hell with that idea.

So lets see. This healthcare system will prevent the guy on the corner from coughing on me so I will not get TB. We will live in this perfect world where all the newly developing countries will not saw SCREW YOU and they will immediately implement measures to cap and trade on thier own industry as well. Furthermore they will buy our technology to clean themselves up. Furthemore, even though the healthcare reform (IN WHICH I AM AGREEING WITH YOU THAT SOMETHING BETTER IS NEEDED) should be rammed through as soon as possible without diligent thought and examination. It HAS TO GO THROUGH NOW because if it is thoroughly examined then it may not go through even though the party pushing it HAS MAJORITY IN ALL BRANCHES.

I just want to make sure I understand the argument here because it sounds perfectly insane to me.[/quote]

TB issue is just an ‘example.’ When a large portion of the country is uninsured, thus not getting enough preventive health care, we all end up paying MORE eventually.

About the law being ‘rammed’ through, it’s not my preference. I was just laying out what the Dems seems to be thinking. Come to think of it, ramming laws (aka invading other nation) seem to be a rather common thing in US politics.

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No one on this thread replied to my question about South Korea. Again, what is South Korea doing right in providing near universal health care that USA can’t?
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[dbapig]

[quote=SD Realtor]Concho and DBA the premise that you guys bring to the table is simply not realistic. It is not. Is every person who has aids going to get treated? Is every person who has drug resistant tb going to get treated as well? So in this perfect world of health maintenance provided by our government everyone will be in perfect health?

I guess I am in the minority by not being afraid to go out in public for fear of catching TB from a guy at a stoplight. I better wait until universal health care comes to go outside… whew, thanks for telling me.

I mean really now, come on guys.

When I argued cap and trade one of the brilliant points taken up by the opposition was that we should lead and countries like India and China will follow. Oh and by the way we will develop all this technology that they will buy to keep thier own development clean. Hmmm, I think I read recently that India just said go to hell with that idea.

So lets see. This healthcare system will prevent the guy on the corner from coughing on me so I will not get TB. We will live in this perfect world where all the newly developing countries will not saw SCREW YOU and they will immediately implement measures to cap and trade on thier own industry as well. Furthermore they will buy our technology to clean themselves up. Furthemore, even though the healthcare reform (IN WHICH I AM AGREEING WITH YOU THAT SOMETHING BETTER IS NEEDED) should be rammed through as soon as possible without diligent thought and examination. It HAS TO GO THROUGH NOW because if it is thoroughly examined then it may not go through even though the party pushing it HAS MAJORITY IN ALL BRANCHES.

I just want to make sure I understand the argument here because it sounds perfectly insane to me.[/quote]

TB issue is just an ‘example.’ When a large portion of the country is uninsured, thus not getting enough preventive health care, we all end up paying MORE eventually.

About the law being ‘rammed’ through, it’s not my preference. I was just laying out what the Dems seems to be thinking. Come to think of it, ramming laws (aka invading other nation) seem to be a rather common thing in US politics.

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No one on this thread replied to my question about South Korea. Again, what is South Korea doing right in providing near universal health care that USA can’t?
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[dbapig]

[quote=SD Realtor]Concho and DBA the premise that you guys bring to the table is simply not realistic. It is not. Is every person who has aids going to get treated? Is every person who has drug resistant tb going to get treated as well? So in this perfect world of health maintenance provided by our government everyone will be in perfect health?

I guess I am in the minority by not being afraid to go out in public for fear of catching TB from a guy at a stoplight. I better wait until universal health care comes to go outside… whew, thanks for telling me.

I mean really now, come on guys.

When I argued cap and trade one of the brilliant points taken up by the opposition was that we should lead and countries like India and China will follow. Oh and by the way we will develop all this technology that they will buy to keep thier own development clean. Hmmm, I think I read recently that India just said go to hell with that idea.

So lets see. This healthcare system will prevent the guy on the corner from coughing on me so I will not get TB. We will live in this perfect world where all the newly developing countries will not saw SCREW YOU and they will immediately implement measures to cap and trade on thier own industry as well. Furthermore they will buy our technology to clean themselves up. Furthemore, even though the healthcare reform (IN WHICH I AM AGREEING WITH YOU THAT SOMETHING BETTER IS NEEDED) should be rammed through as soon as possible without diligent thought and examination. It HAS TO GO THROUGH NOW because if it is thoroughly examined then it may not go through even though the party pushing it HAS MAJORITY IN ALL BRANCHES.

I just want to make sure I understand the argument here because it sounds perfectly insane to me.[/quote]

TB issue is just an ‘example.’ When a large portion of the country is uninsured, thus not getting enough preventive health care, we all end up paying MORE eventually.

About the law being ‘rammed’ through, it’s not my preference. I was just laying out what the Dems seems to be thinking. Come to think of it, ramming laws (aka invading other nation) seem to be a rather common thing in US politics.

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No one on this thread replied to my question about South Korea. Again, what is South Korea doing right in providing near universal health care that USA can’t?
—————————————————-

[dbapig]

[quote=SD Realtor]Concho and DBA the premise that you guys bring to the table is simply not realistic. It is not. Is every person who has aids going to get treated? Is every person who has drug resistant tb going to get treated as well? So in this perfect world of health maintenance provided by our government everyone will be in perfect health?

I guess I am in the minority by not being afraid to go out in public for fear of catching TB from a guy at a stoplight. I better wait until universal health care comes to go outside… whew, thanks for telling me.

I mean really now, come on guys.

When I argued cap and trade one of the brilliant points taken up by the opposition was that we should lead and countries like India and China will follow. Oh and by the way we will develop all this technology that they will buy to keep thier own development clean. Hmmm, I think I read recently that India just said go to hell with that idea.

So lets see. This healthcare system will prevent the guy on the corner from coughing on me so I will not get TB. We will live in this perfect world where all the newly developing countries will not saw SCREW YOU and they will immediately implement measures to cap and trade on thier own industry as well. Furthermore they will buy our technology to clean themselves up. Furthemore, even though the healthcare reform (IN WHICH I AM AGREEING WITH YOU THAT SOMETHING BETTER IS NEEDED) should be rammed through as soon as possible without diligent thought and examination. It HAS TO GO THROUGH NOW because if it is thoroughly examined then it may not go through even though the party pushing it HAS MAJORITY IN ALL BRANCHES.

I just want to make sure I understand the argument here because it sounds perfectly insane to me.[/quote]

TB issue is just an ‘example.’ When a large portion of the country is uninsured, thus not getting enough preventive health care, we all end up paying MORE eventually.

About the law being ‘rammed’ through, it’s not my preference. I was just laying out what the Dems seems to be thinking. Come to think of it, ramming laws (aka invading other nation) seem to be a rather common thing in US politics.

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No one on this thread replied to my question about South Korea. Again, what is South Korea doing right in providing near universal health care that USA can’t?
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[dbapig]

[quote=SD Realtor]Concho and DBA the premise that you guys bring to the table is simply not realistic. It is not. Is every person who has aids going to get treated? Is every person who has drug resistant tb going to get treated as well? So in this perfect world of health maintenance provided by our government everyone will be in perfect health?

I guess I am in the minority by not being afraid to go out in public for fear of catching TB from a guy at a stoplight. I better wait until universal health care comes to go outside… whew, thanks for telling me.

I mean really now, come on guys.

When I argued cap and trade one of the brilliant points taken up by the opposition was that we should lead and countries like India and China will follow. Oh and by the way we will develop all this technology that they will buy to keep thier own development clean. Hmmm, I think I read recently that India just said go to hell with that idea.

So lets see. This healthcare system will prevent the guy on the corner from coughing on me so I will not get TB. We will live in this perfect world where all the newly developing countries will not saw SCREW YOU and they will immediately implement measures to cap and trade on thier own industry as well. Furthermore they will buy our technology to clean themselves up. Furthemore, even though the healthcare reform (IN WHICH I AM AGREEING WITH YOU THAT SOMETHING BETTER IS NEEDED) should be rammed through as soon as possible without diligent thought and examination. It HAS TO GO THROUGH NOW because if it is thoroughly examined then it may not go through even though the party pushing it HAS MAJORITY IN ALL BRANCHES.

I just want to make sure I understand the argument here because it sounds perfectly insane to me.[/quote]

TB issue is just an ‘example.’ When a large portion of the country is uninsured, thus not getting enough preventive health care, we all end up paying MORE eventually.

About the law being ‘rammed’ through, it’s not my preference. I was just laying out what the Dems seems to be thinking. Come to think of it, ramming laws (aka invading other nation) seem to be a rather common thing in US politics.

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No one on this thread replied to my question about South Korea. Again, what is South Korea doing right in providing near universal health care that USA can’t?
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[an]

[quote=dbapig]
TB issue is just an ‘example.’ When a large portion of the country is uninsured, thus not getting enough preventive health care, we all end up paying MORE eventually.

About the law being ‘rammed’ through, it’s not my preference. I was just laying out what the Dems seems to be thinking. Come to think of it, ramming laws (aka invading other nation) seem to be a rather common thing in US politics.

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No one on this thread replied to my question about South Korea. Again, what is South Korea doing right in providing near universal health care that USA can’t?
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Ramming laws through is only common when one party controls everything. The American people gave them that blank check.

As for us vs SK, well, last I checked, SK doesn’t have the illegal immigrant issue we have. That’s MILLIONS of people. In Texas, 70% of births with uninsured parents are from illegal. Just one example. Also, have you looked at Korean people vs American in term of obesity? If obesity accounts for 25% of the increase in medical care, they probably spend at least 25% less than us, if everything stay the same. There’s really no other country that can give us an apple to apple comparison.

[an]

[quote=dbapig]
TB issue is just an ‘example.’ When a large portion of the country is uninsured, thus not getting enough preventive health care, we all end up paying MORE eventually.

About the law being ‘rammed’ through, it’s not my preference. I was just laying out what the Dems seems to be thinking. Come to think of it, ramming laws (aka invading other nation) seem to be a rather common thing in US politics.

—————————————————-
No one on this thread replied to my question about South Korea. Again, what is South Korea doing right in providing near universal health care that USA can’t?
—————————————————-[/quote]
Ramming laws through is only common when one party controls everything. The American people gave them that blank check.

As for us vs SK, well, last I checked, SK doesn’t have the illegal immigrant issue we have. That’s MILLIONS of people. In Texas, 70% of births with uninsured parents are from illegal. Just one example. Also, have you looked at Korean people vs American in term of obesity? If obesity accounts for 25% of the increase in medical care, they probably spend at least 25% less than us, if everything stay the same. There’s really no other country that can give us an apple to apple comparison.

[an]

[quote=dbapig]
TB issue is just an ‘example.’ When a large portion of the country is uninsured, thus not getting enough preventive health care, we all end up paying MORE eventually.

About the law being ‘rammed’ through, it’s not my preference. I was just laying out what the Dems seems to be thinking. Come to think of it, ramming laws (aka invading other nation) seem to be a rather common thing in US politics.

—————————————————-
No one on this thread replied to my question about South Korea. Again, what is South Korea doing right in providing near universal health care that USA can’t?
—————————————————-[/quote]
Ramming laws through is only common when one party controls everything. The American people gave them that blank check.

As for us vs SK, well, last I checked, SK doesn’t have the illegal immigrant issue we have. That’s MILLIONS of people. In Texas, 70% of births with uninsured parents are from illegal. Just one example. Also, have you looked at Korean people vs American in term of obesity? If obesity accounts for 25% of the increase in medical care, they probably spend at least 25% less than us, if everything stay the same. There’s really no other country that can give us an apple to apple comparison.

[an]

[quote=dbapig]
TB issue is just an ‘example.’ When a large portion of the country is uninsured, thus not getting enough preventive health care, we all end up paying MORE eventually.

About the law being ‘rammed’ through, it’s not my preference. I was just laying out what the Dems seems to be thinking. Come to think of it, ramming laws (aka invading other nation) seem to be a rather common thing in US politics.

—————————————————-
No one on this thread replied to my question about South Korea. Again, what is South Korea doing right in providing near universal health care that USA can’t?
—————————————————-[/quote]
Ramming laws through is only common when one party controls everything. The American people gave them that blank check.

As for us vs SK, well, last I checked, SK doesn’t have the illegal immigrant issue we have. That’s MILLIONS of people. In Texas, 70% of births with uninsured parents are from illegal. Just one example. Also, have you looked at Korean people vs American in term of obesity? If obesity accounts for 25% of the increase in medical care, they probably spend at least 25% less than us, if everything stay the same. There’s really no other country that can give us an apple to apple comparison.

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