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ParticipantBrian my point is that the immigrants who came here built themselves up. Our nation did not “provide” anything special for them. There was no govt window that you went to after Ellis Island that was the “opportunity center”. There was the street. Your declaration of immigrant success in the USA due to govt involvement when compared to immigrant failure in in Europe makes no sense. Yes the USA is a staggerring success when it comes to immigration success story but not because of the govt, but because of the immigrants themselves and the sacrifices they made. That is all I am pointing out. Not because of some special govt program making sure they got their “proportional share” or something like that.
ParticipantBrian my point is that the immigrants who came here built themselves up. Our nation did not “provide” anything special for them. There was no govt window that you went to after Ellis Island that was the “opportunity center”. There was the street. Your declaration of immigrant success in the USA due to govt involvement when compared to immigrant failure in in Europe makes no sense. Yes the USA is a staggerring success when it comes to immigration success story but not because of the govt, but because of the immigrants themselves and the sacrifices they made. That is all I am pointing out. Not because of some special govt program making sure they got their “proportional share” or something like that.
ParticipantBrian my point is that the immigrants who came here built themselves up. Our nation did not “provide” anything special for them. There was no govt window that you went to after Ellis Island that was the “opportunity center”. There was the street. Your declaration of immigrant success in the USA due to govt involvement when compared to immigrant failure in in Europe makes no sense. Yes the USA is a staggerring success when it comes to immigration success story but not because of the govt, but because of the immigrants themselves and the sacrifices they made. That is all I am pointing out. Not because of some special govt program making sure they got their “proportional share” or something like that.
ParticipantFunny how some people like to make vague statements about how it is a host countries fault for not providing immigrants a proportional stake in the economy.
When the United States experienced an explosion of immigration those new citizens were not given anything and for the most part had pretty crappy lives. The vast vast majority of them lived in ethnic (their own ethnicity) slums and over a long period of time, in some cases a few generations, found differing levels of success. Furthermore this vast majority of immigrants (aka OUR GRANDPARENTS, GREAT GRANDPARENTS AND FOR SOME JUST PARENTS) in fact did choose a path of assimilation in some way shape or form AND AT THE SAME TIME preserving whatever level of autonomy they wanted to maintain. I will freely admit that many did indeed succumb to social pressures and that yes, financial success could have been hindered without that assimilation. Yet it is inarguable that the vast majority ENJOYED their new lives and CHOSE to stay rather then return to whatever homeland they came from. Even if that new life was severely crappy by our standards.
I think opportunity is earned and not granted. CAR I think you had a great post as well.
ParticipantFunny how some people like to make vague statements about how it is a host countries fault for not providing immigrants a proportional stake in the economy.
When the United States experienced an explosion of immigration those new citizens were not given anything and for the most part had pretty crappy lives. The vast vast majority of them lived in ethnic (their own ethnicity) slums and over a long period of time, in some cases a few generations, found differing levels of success. Furthermore this vast majority of immigrants (aka OUR GRANDPARENTS, GREAT GRANDPARENTS AND FOR SOME JUST PARENTS) in fact did choose a path of assimilation in some way shape or form AND AT THE SAME TIME preserving whatever level of autonomy they wanted to maintain. I will freely admit that many did indeed succumb to social pressures and that yes, financial success could have been hindered without that assimilation. Yet it is inarguable that the vast majority ENJOYED their new lives and CHOSE to stay rather then return to whatever homeland they came from. Even if that new life was severely crappy by our standards.
I think opportunity is earned and not granted. CAR I think you had a great post as well.
ParticipantFunny how some people like to make vague statements about how it is a host countries fault for not providing immigrants a proportional stake in the economy.
When the United States experienced an explosion of immigration those new citizens were not given anything and for the most part had pretty crappy lives. The vast vast majority of them lived in ethnic (their own ethnicity) slums and over a long period of time, in some cases a few generations, found differing levels of success. Furthermore this vast majority of immigrants (aka OUR GRANDPARENTS, GREAT GRANDPARENTS AND FOR SOME JUST PARENTS) in fact did choose a path of assimilation in some way shape or form AND AT THE SAME TIME preserving whatever level of autonomy they wanted to maintain. I will freely admit that many did indeed succumb to social pressures and that yes, financial success could have been hindered without that assimilation. Yet it is inarguable that the vast majority ENJOYED their new lives and CHOSE to stay rather then return to whatever homeland they came from. Even if that new life was severely crappy by our standards.
I think opportunity is earned and not granted. CAR I think you had a great post as well.
ParticipantFunny how some people like to make vague statements about how it is a host countries fault for not providing immigrants a proportional stake in the economy.
When the United States experienced an explosion of immigration those new citizens were not given anything and for the most part had pretty crappy lives. The vast vast majority of them lived in ethnic (their own ethnicity) slums and over a long period of time, in some cases a few generations, found differing levels of success. Furthermore this vast majority of immigrants (aka OUR GRANDPARENTS, GREAT GRANDPARENTS AND FOR SOME JUST PARENTS) in fact did choose a path of assimilation in some way shape or form AND AT THE SAME TIME preserving whatever level of autonomy they wanted to maintain. I will freely admit that many did indeed succumb to social pressures and that yes, financial success could have been hindered without that assimilation. Yet it is inarguable that the vast majority ENJOYED their new lives and CHOSE to stay rather then return to whatever homeland they came from. Even if that new life was severely crappy by our standards.
I think opportunity is earned and not granted. CAR I think you had a great post as well.
ParticipantFunny how some people like to make vague statements about how it is a host countries fault for not providing immigrants a proportional stake in the economy.
When the United States experienced an explosion of immigration those new citizens were not given anything and for the most part had pretty crappy lives. The vast vast majority of them lived in ethnic (their own ethnicity) slums and over a long period of time, in some cases a few generations, found differing levels of success. Furthermore this vast majority of immigrants (aka OUR GRANDPARENTS, GREAT GRANDPARENTS AND FOR SOME JUST PARENTS) in fact did choose a path of assimilation in some way shape or form AND AT THE SAME TIME preserving whatever level of autonomy they wanted to maintain. I will freely admit that many did indeed succumb to social pressures and that yes, financial success could have been hindered without that assimilation. Yet it is inarguable that the vast majority ENJOYED their new lives and CHOSE to stay rather then return to whatever homeland they came from. Even if that new life was severely crappy by our standards.
I think opportunity is earned and not granted. CAR I think you had a great post as well.
ParticipantAgreed with sdr about Summit and 4S. They are quite different. Summit is by no means a dump but there have been some issues there particularly with drainage with the runoff from the hillside. Summit is not 4S but also does not have the MR that 4S has, or nearly as high of a price so pick your poison.
ParticipantAgreed with sdr about Summit and 4S. They are quite different. Summit is by no means a dump but there have been some issues there particularly with drainage with the runoff from the hillside. Summit is not 4S but also does not have the MR that 4S has, or nearly as high of a price so pick your poison.
ParticipantAgreed with sdr about Summit and 4S. They are quite different. Summit is by no means a dump but there have been some issues there particularly with drainage with the runoff from the hillside. Summit is not 4S but also does not have the MR that 4S has, or nearly as high of a price so pick your poison.
ParticipantAgreed with sdr about Summit and 4S. They are quite different. Summit is by no means a dump but there have been some issues there particularly with drainage with the runoff from the hillside. Summit is not 4S but also does not have the MR that 4S has, or nearly as high of a price so pick your poison.
ParticipantAgreed with sdr about Summit and 4S. They are quite different. Summit is by no means a dump but there have been some issues there particularly with drainage with the runoff from the hillside. Summit is not 4S but also does not have the MR that 4S has, or nearly as high of a price so pick your poison.
Participantsdr there were a few feeds still open on myp2p that were usable. I liked channelsurf cuz I could watch the charger games if I was out of town. I am sure you were able to watch every eagles game.
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