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I’m starting to sympathize with Lance more and more. Look, the guy won. he worked his tail off. He put together an amazing team. Sure he took performance enhancing drugs, but everyone did. he could not compete withoutt hem. Then, basically, people threatened to expose him and bring him down. Essentially that’s blackmail. Small little pathetic people who were afraid of success and greatness. So he did what he had to do.

no excuses!

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it is difficult to say that lance was even “cheating” in the sense that it was pervasive in the culture for all athletes to do the same thing.

IN normal society, winners will play by the prevailing customs, not the letter of the law…

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it is extremely risky for anyone who is not 100% committed to do anything.

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[quote=flu][quote=flyer]You’re right, AN, everyone reaches their financial goals in different ways, at different times. As long as each of us reach our own particular financial goals in life, that’s all that really matters. (speaking purely from a monetary perspective)

My concern, and, I think, perhaps the concern of some others who have posted in this thread, is that the stats reveal only 5% of the population is financially solvent–based upon net worth–which is the generally accepted barometer for financial “success.”

As ER alluded, you don’t really know if people are financially successful until you know their net worth–minus smoke and mirrors.

As flu always says, don’t worry about it, take care of your own, which I know all of us here plan to do, but it still makes you wonder what the ramifications of the ever-declining financial solvency in 95% of the US population will create in our society going forward.[/quote]

Well, part of this is think is the prevailing attitude of learned helplessness.

Don’t do that, because it’s too risky. Don’t do that, because it’s going to be outsourced. Don’t do that, because Banks/Wall Street is bad… Don’t be doctor or lawyer because it costs too much. Don’t start your own business because it’s too risky and most likely will fail… Don’t invest, don’t take risk, don’t play stocks. Don’t be landlord…..

….But, maintain your qualify of life that you should have in America…because that’s your right and you deserve it, and we don’t want you to feel bad …

Is there any surprise why we see so much failure why people take the easy way out on credit? Hell, people automatically failed because they didn’t bother to start. Learned helplessness.

Hell, we start seeing kids get feel-good trophies for just trying these days, even if (sorry to say) they suck……”Winning isn’t everything, it’s how you play the game…” True. Winning isn’t everything… Sometimes it’s the only thing.

Unless one’s got some serious physical, health, mental issue(s), one’s got very little excuse in my book.So sick of this victim mentality herd sometimes…[/quote]

Sometimes winning is the only thing…

exhibit A…Lance.

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no. it would be worth it to wait 3 years to discharge law school debt today.

tuition exceeds 50k, plus living expenses and ins chool interest, that’s 225,000 law school debt alone.

divided by 3, that’s $77,000 in benefit, tax free income.

i think many would take a 3 year hiatus for that!

5 years, a little tougher, but might still be worth it. dependng on the job market

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it was not “just cycling”. Read Roland Barthes on the Tour D France. This was a lot more than just guys on bikes.

this was life itself.

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[quote=ucodegen][quote=squat300]1. Probably not a crime . Accident.

2. If all cops who give him safety classes cannot be 100 perc trusted to be safe, then no one is trustworthy w a firearm in public.[/quote]
1. depends… if person dies = manslaughter, definite crime. A lot depends upon negligence and intent.

2. Interesting position. But you have to realize, nobody is 100% safe… it is just not possible. I do tend to worry about the fringe ownership of firearms.. as well as law enforcement. The former tends to be too rabid, the latter tends to be a little too casual.[/quote]

nobody is 100% safe…so…ah, including the “fringe” and all law enforcement, what percent of safety can I expect whilst touring my lcoal gun show?

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if they required a class like that for student loans, you would screw up the whole system…

you apply for college. you get accepted right about the time you get your financial aid package.

you accept botht he school and the package simultaneously.

then yous how up the fall to sign.

whatare you, going to back out after you’ve moved up there?

you need to require the class prior to even applying.

which seems kinda crazy cause you don’t even know if you need the loans at that point

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not all deaths are crimes. sometimes it’s just an accident. we don’t send people to prison unless they act with criminal intent. A mere accident, at least in california, is never a crime.

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no, we will only find out if there is an afterlife.

if there is no afterlife, there won’t be any “we” around to find out after our physical being dissolves.

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[quote=flyer]squat, we all have different beliefs about how eternity will work out for each of us. I have friends who have strong spiritual beliefs as I do, and others who believe in nothing at all, and I respect all of them.

I can understand why some people hope there is “nothing,” it’s easier that way–no accountability. I’m sticking with what I believe to be true–to each his or her own.

Place your bets, and take your chances.[/quote]

There is plenty accountability here on earth, day to day.

Of course, now that I am persuaded our existence is a computer program, there maybe accountability in the sense that our characters accrue points in future games. Perhaps a high score may count in future reset games

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[quote=ucodegen][quote=squat300]Good point. Still I have a greater incentive to not hurt myself, since I love my back, than guntards have not to spray buckshot at a gumshoe, since that’s just an accident costing others pain.[/quote]I don’t know.. I don’t think that spending time in cell with 6’8″ Bubba who has not seen a woman in 30 years as something w/o pain…

[quote=squat300]I’m going to go out on a limb and say an undercover DEA agent has 20 x more training and experience with firearms than the avg gun enthusiast.[/quote]I think those that have more experience are military – army. They have to be able to do teardowns and reassembly while under fire. I have also had a police officer as a roommate. They are sometimes a little too casual with the firearm…[/quote]

1. Probably not a crime . Accident.

2. If all cops who give him safety classes cannot be 100 perc trusted to be safe, then no one is trustworthy w a firearm in public.

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I would love to see some boratesque character go to a gun show and preach about gun control.

Maybe I could get famous doing that.

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I would like some stats on accidental discharges at gun shows. Seems unlikely 3 incidents in a weekend is an aberration while issue is in the headline.

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I’m going to go out on a limb and say an undercover DEA agent has 20 x more training and experience with firearms than the avg gun enthusiast.

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