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[quote=EconProf]OK 6pack, we get it. You like deadlifts to strengthen the back. However, years ago when I was heavily into weightlifting, I got a back spasm overdoing deadlifts.
Try yoga instead, plus eliminating the gut. A big belly puts a lot of strain on backs. And if you do serious yoga and own property, your chant can be “Appreciation…appreciation….appreciation…”[/quote]

yeah, if you ahve a big belly, that’s the first priority. that shoudl probably go before weightlifting. heck, just standing up and walking up stairs is probably enough weightlifting.

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cant find good data on rates of weightlifting injuries v other sports…

but:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1997/10/971022155847.htm

basically says strength training reduces the risk of injury.

i mean, heck, i know a guy who completely tweaked his back just bending down to pick up soemthing light in normal life.

there’s risk all over from weakness, as well as attempting to get strong. intuitively, it seems like being strong is going to protect one from bad things happening to body systems, and that’s what the above article seems to say…

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Felt like mr burns.

Kid was on hs swim team and getting very muscular.

I was feeling extremely unmuscled in part by comparison.

I did and wouldnot take shirtless photos.

Forearms werecespeciallyvalarming. Theyre still thin from genetics but theyvwere rudiculiys like a weird old bony man. Nit gogood.

I wss skinny yet fat.

Soft looking. Except legs from cycling.

Re injuries…most guys in the gym go to the dumbbell rack pick up too much weight and swing it in a wild uncontrolled bicep curl. Thats most of the session.

Tge sane philosophy seems to bleed over to everything.

do everything at too much weight out if control swinging the weight w momentum and twisting the back to conpensate.

if injurues remain the concern the simple pullup and dip will cover most of thr upoer body snd its difficult to hurt onesself

Do a pulluo w kegs extended srraight when they get easy.

do a muscleup.

Climb a rope. Pick up your dumbells and go for acwalk till you cant hold them any more

do the plank. Youll get hard all over abd the risk of injury approaches zero
Rate of injury in weight training is fairly low per my research. Esp from above ideas.

ill find the study later

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i admit i am a little overenthusiastic.

but i do feel better.

also i stand up straight now.

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Saw silence if lambs w kids last night. Was scary. To me in 91. Kind of cute in 2013. I guess only old age and decrepitude scare me now. And the dark.

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[quote=CA renter][quote=6packscaredy]Anyone out there suffering from back pain might be cured with a much stronger back.[/quote]

Probably. But to be perfectly honest, I think the vast majority of people out there don’t have the willpower and discipline to do whatever it is that you’re doing to get that back.

Keep it up![/quote]

i feel confident anyone could geta strong back if they decided that they were going to do it. they would need to flip a switch in their brain that said, i am going to get a strong back.

and they must.

think about the spine. a snakey bone , flexy, with lots of nerves that can get pinched, discs that have to keep their distance from one another, charged with holding upand moving our body from place to place. without a decent muscular base, why would we expect to feel anything but pain and discomfort? why would we expect those bones to not crunch together and irritate nerves?

there is no choice in life for most of us but to develop and strengthen the back. or to just submit to misery.

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[quote=Blogstar]WHy fix your back with strength when insurance covers surgery and pain meds?[/quote]

true. the machine does not want us to be strong. it wants us weak. sometimes it feels like we’ve set up a society to encourage and promote physical weakness. I mean, really, if we wanted our people to be even weaker, how could we improve things to incentivize further weakness?

this is not an outstanding result.

this could be achieved with 90 minutes per week on the back.

it would take that long to go to CVS and fill the rx.

there is no reason not to have a reasonably powerful back. I don’t know how or why I lived almost 50 years being a weakling.

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Pope Francis is moving me.

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Anyone out there suffering from back pain might be cured with a much stronger back.

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im grateful for my back. many times we are focussed only on what we can see…the front. we don’t think about the back. but the back does the heavy lifting.

take care of your backs today, piggingtonians. don’t slouch, take a walk after dinner, stretch it out.

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true.

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at a certain wealth level, philanthropy looks less like generosity and more like well, Im not sure…something else…. at least to me…

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dont get me started on freaking dogs.

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[quote=Hobie][quote=6packscaredy] then send kids home with hours of homework to cover up their own failure to get anything done in school.[/quote]

Huge amount of truth this statement. Nice.[/quote]

in the teacher’s defense, it can be very difficult to actually teach anything concrete to these little monkeys…by calling children “monkeys”, we are devaluing of course the type of intelligence shown by animals, and glorifying the type of intelligence that is uniquely human …

here’s a bit of an interview with franzen on cats and birds…

Q. Is Freedom an activist book? Do you hope that readers will come away with more of an appreciation for the natural world after reading it?

A. In general, I try not to do overt advocacy with my writing. If it’s a byproduct, and people become aware of an issue because it’s part of the story I’m telling, that’s great. But it’s not the primary motive.

The one small part of the book that had an actual activist motive was the very end, where we’re introduced to a predatory housecat that’s running outside and killing songbirds by the scores. When it occurred to me that I could end the book with the main character Walter’s problems with this cat, I realized that I could also perform an educational service. Most people aren’t aware of the degree to which free-roaming outdoor cats are a problem in this country. At least a million birds a day are killed by them, so we’re talking about a minimum of 365 million birds in America alone in the course of a year — perhaps as many as a billion. So there was an educational impulse there.

Q. I found your “My Bird Problem” essay in The New Yorker to be moving and persuasive. I finished it and thought, “Man, I need to go scout some birds!” Walter’s a birder, but his relationship to birds isn’t attractive in the way that your own birding stories are. Do your activist motives play out in your nonfiction more than in your fiction?

A. It’s a tricky thing. As a reader, as soon as I sense that I’m reading a piece of straight-up environmentalist advocacy, I put the piece of writing down. I feel like I’m already the converted, so don’t try to convert me. Tell me something interesting.

Even in nonfiction, I don’t want to take a purely advocating stance. I’m trying to complicate things. “My Bird Problem” is an essay about how I went from a general pissed-off concern about the environment to a very specific, positive passion for birds, which are part of the environment. Of course, it was also an opportunity to bring along readers who might not have thought about birds so much before. That’s a real and potentially useful secondary effect. But my primary responsibility to the reader is to say, “Look, this stuff is complicated — trust me, I’m not here to beat you over the head.”

the complete interview:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/dec/06/jonathan-franzen-activism-overpopulation-birds

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if we taught nothing but mathematics all day long, it would still not be “valueneutral”. im not sure exactly what value that would be expressing, but im pretty sure it would be some technocratic nightmore and it’s not neutral.
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The fundamentals of reading are “valueneutral”.

“The cat is sleeping.”

Has no moral value behind it. It’s just a simple statement. If the cat is sleeping it’s a fact, if the cat is not sleeping then it is a lie, but it doesn’t impose some sort of cultural view. Does the selection of cat versus dog create some sort of underlying “value”.

1 + 1 = 2 no matter what, unless you’re economist searching for a free lunch.[/quote]

Cats are a highly divisive subject.

Cats on the one hand are beloved housepets, and the darlings of people who purport to love animals.

But on the other hand, cats kill millions of songbirds every year, and are hated by birders and others who love truer, undomesticated animals, and the wildness and wilderness they represent.

Cats are not really animals, in the sense that theya re merely extensions of our own needs, desires and thoughts. You will never see a neurotic animal in the wild, but you have plenty of neurotic dogs and cats because we burden them with our insane, unreasonable fantasies.

. To focus on “cats” in a reading excerpt is to implicitly value domesticated animals, and also, humns versus wildness…that is because domesticated animals are animals that reflect human nature, as developped through thousands of years of cat.human interactions in the domestication process, as opposed to wild animals. The cat is in a sense about humans subjugating nature, for our own needs. This has religious overtones which many of us find objectionable.

This tension concerning housecats and how hated they are by birders has been discussed at length in the bestselling novel FREEDOM, by Jonathan Franzen. This book is, by the way, amazing.

If I were someone who valued birds, birding, and wild animals, I would be deeply offended by the glorification of housecats by specifically mentioning them in the reading excerpt, as opposed to other animals with an actual wild nature .

Also keep in mind that deforestation and meat production of an enormous order to support the “companion ” animals of the west. Cats have a large carbon footprint. i think its quite a stretch to say that cats and dogs eating their way through the forests of the amazon is a value neutral subject.

i would dare you to try again, but I would prefer that you just submit to my assertion that there is no value.neutral subject.

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