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That thought assumes there is something after, some part of us that can discern what is happening after death. It is a subtle way of saying you expect there to be life after death since it assumes the ability to perceive it. Better to just say it than be coy. More precisely we will only know if there is life after death if in fact there is life after death.

That is false, and so we will never know. We will never have confirmatory info. We will be dead. We will have no perception, no knowledge or sense of it. We will know even less after death about what is happening after death than we do now.

Sorry.

We will just be a cold rotten piece of meat for a while as others bury us. Then bone. Finally, dust.

Nothing more.

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Everybody wants to go to heaven but no n one wants to die.

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All of the Mormons I’ve worked with universally are super nice people, good humored, sharp critical thinkers. I just can’t get how they can read that book and not say “hmmmmmm. No”.

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I’m looking around waiting for a laugh.

My wife was right.

I’m not funny.

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I never masturbate to images of biblical patriarchs wives though. Just to be safe. Best to focus on images of Canaanites and moabites.

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Agreed.

That’s why I always hedge my bets by only referring to the big angry guy as G-d. I am hoping that small sign of respect, as well as my wearing a yarmulke at all times when walking more than 5 yards. , will get him to cut me a break if indeed I am the punchline.

Which I know I’m not.

Insofar As I Know anything.

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I tend to agree with G-d s initial impulse, flood the earth and rid it of the abomination that is man. Sometimes your first gut impulse is right.

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A true pascal wagerer would have to adhere to every belief systems beliefs to truly hedge bets.

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Just because you believe real hard
Or get a lot of others to believe real hard
And wish and wish
And pray and pray
Don’t make it true.

And there’s no point to keeping an open mind on a wishful fantasy.

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I am as certain that our current conception of heaven is not real as you are that ancient Egyptian burial practices did not affect the afterlife.

or pick up the Book of Mormon. Not to disrespect Mormons. I know and love a lot of Mormons actually. But when I pick up the book and read it, read about the history of the Church, I know 100% in my heart this is not an explanation of reality that is true. pick one up sometime; is it worth keeping an open mind about it in the sense as to whetehr it is true? My answer is no.

is it worth keeping an open mind about why people come to beleive odd things, social issues, etc? yes.

but not about the nature of reality in the sense of whetehr the book of mormon is true, whether heaven is real, or whetehr G-d nailed another G-d type being toa cross to die for our sins.

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Notice all those heaven is for real books?

They are proof of the uncertainty heaven aspirants have.

No one needs a book called cheese is for real. We know cheese exists.

If enough people become certain heaven does not exist the narrative loses its force and exists no longer. Just as whatever ancient cultures formerly believed seemed plausible in the moment, you now know it isn’t true. You know it in your heart. And you know it’s not worthwhile to keep an open mind over whether the majority culture in ancient Egypt ultimately had it right about the ultimate nature of existence and the afterlife…

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The next ge. Of video games shall not involve killing but instead allow you to psychologically tormeny, instill fear and generally freak the he’ll out your characters.

Call it G-d the Creator. V.1.01

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It’s best not to keep an open mind on all issues. Sometimes some things need rresolution. We are certain about some things. This certainty helps us function. I am certain there is no afterlife. I knowcthis, like I know I’m not dreaming as I type this. When I hear a relative talk about going to haven I never hear the voice of someone who KNOWS it to be true there is an afterlife. It’s more speculstive. Wishful.

Obama is not a space alien sent from a distant galaxy to undermine AMerica. I’m certain. I’d stake your life on it. It’s not even good or useful to keep an open mind on all aspects of reality.

Maybe if the universe and G-d are truly insane there’s an afterlife. Or Obama is a space cowboy named Maurice who has come to destroy the pompatous of love. And in general it’s good to be openiminded. .

But come on.

There’s no heaven. Its a narrative created by us for crowd control and anxiety naintenance. The odds are more likely that each of us is a character in a cosmic video game. Which I put at 50-50 currently.

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Obviously this means no cheeseburgers.[/quote]

That’s a brilliant joke, scaredy. Beautifully done.[/quote]

Thanks. I tried a line this weekend at a meal with others and my wife said I looked around too expectantly waiting for a laugh. She may have used the word desperate. I think I’m funnier not live. The other guy had a better line about a hamster gynecologist.

Personally I liked the ocular oracular jocular connection.

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pascals’ wager seems to be a cost free insurance policy; costs nothing to say you believe, and you get eternity if you’re right, nothing bad if you’re wrong.

this misses the point; there is a tremendous cost to being inauthentic, to live in denial, to say you believe in things which you do not believe.

not to mention time wasted in churches, etc…

it’s easier for me to embrace a traditional Jewish ethos; the afterlife is no particular concern; it’s mainly about living decently here on earth simply because it’s the right way to do things and the jews are special so they should behave decently and live in accordance with the law.

Obviously this means no cheeseburgers.

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