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Participant[quote=svelte][quote=scaredyclassic]Um. Facts?
Just cause someone answers a question a certain way don’t make it a fact.In fact I would say it is a fact that women say they want things other than what they claim or even think they want.
Hypothetically $ not important in my fantasy cosmopolitan questionnaire.
But what is reality on the ground?
Special snowflake white women seem less forthcoming than black respondents.[/quote]
Fact: something that truly exists or happens : something that has actual existence
Opinion: a belief, judgment, or way of thinking about something : what someone things about a particular thing
It is a *fact* that women answered the survey the way they did.
It is your *opinion* that they are lying.
Not hard to understand.[/quote]
the way a question is posed triggers a certain answer.
also, the details of the survey int he link dont bear out what you say.
ParticipantProv. 31:10. Who can find a capable wife. Her value far exceeds that of rubies.
I gotta check the Talmud to see if the rabbis discussed exactly how many rubies per hr.
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=scaredyclassic]You taking notes, kev. You’re gonna increase your income by teaming up with a woman who stays at home and calculates how much all the stuff she does for you would go for retail.
Shell get to decide what work needs to be done, can create work or make you do it if she changes her mind. And she can complain endlessly since it’s not valued in the marketplace.
You’re broke cause you don’t have a disgruntled employee at home working 24 7[/quote]
If you were to define what your paid work entailed, would you be labeled a whiner or told that you were “complaining endlessly”? Seems a bit sexist to me when you think that women who detail the work they do are “complaining.”
Do you honestly think that it’s wrong to note that unpaid labor has value, even monetary value? This was only brought up because some other posters were insinuating that unpaid labor had little or no value.
Does your wife complain when she’s working? Do you complain when you have to do housework? Where do you get the notion that SAHPs are disgruntled or complaining endlessly?[/quote]
Society is not better off if our tub is sparkly clean v. It got a quick brushdown.
in general i think regular employees overestimate their value.
yes whiny. if an employee was constantly going off about how they’re not appreciated, id say that’s whiny. appreciation is not really relevant in the workplace except for mgt as a faux money replacement) and valuation of services is not relevant at home. so, whiny.
i dont think anyone said therewas no value to what SAHP does. just that the value is variable and probably way lower than what the doer believes.
laundry one hour? maybe thats the biling rate for landry express. but you put the clothes in. couple minutes. change em. a minute or two take em out.
distribute in buckets.
time aditional depends on tolerance for wrinkliness…
ParticipantYou taking notes, kev. You’re gonna increase your income by teaming up with a woman who stays at home and calculates how much all the stuff she does for you would go for retail.
Shell get to decide what work needs to be done, can create work or make you do it if she changes her mind. And she can complain endlessly since it’s not valued in the marketplace.
You’re broke cause you don’t have a disgruntled employee at home working 24 7
ParticipantVermin supreme is a vote of no confidence
ParticipantAgain, why?
So men will appreciate the dollar value they’re getting?
Participant[quote=njtosd]Can’t believe the difference between the top 10% and the remaining 90%. 75 drinks/wk – and they’re not dead? Makes you scared to drive.[/quote]
75 drinks a week is kind of high but really, just 2 bottles of wine a night which isn’t really all that much.
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=scaredyclassic]why should it be valued to a specific number?[/quote]
It would have to be a range. As others have noted, some SAHPs perform better than others, and their “employers” will value these things differently, too.[/quote]
OK why a range? Whats the purpose?
Participantwhy should it be valued to a specific number?
ParticipantHow about this set up. No more marriage. The wealthier spouse simply employs the less wealthy spouse as a domestic engineer. All the household expenses are probably tax deductible, since the business is the business of raising baby. Also satsisfying certain needs of the employer.. the engineer is at a lower tax bracket than the employer, so there’s a tax advantage beyond deducting all sorts of things that otherwise wouldn’t be deductible if this work weren’t employment and valued appropriately. On the bright side for the employer, there’s no community to divide upon divorce, because there’s no divorce, simply employer employee. Also, the employer can just give the employee the boot at any time, assuming we’re in an at will state. Since everything’s being fully compensated at an agreed upon market value, there’s no need to pay any alimony. Child support still applies, but that’s just the cost fo doing business. Check with your acct to see if that might eb tax deductible under these circumstances.
This seems like a better deal all around. No illusions. No uncompensated work. Lesser women will have to work for lesser employers and it may be very lwo wage, but that’s their decision, to work for a very small business. They need to work for a larger more thriving concern if they want their work valued appropriately to what they feel it’s worth. If the employer provides any service to the spouse, that’s service may be deducted from wages. Vacation and various employment rules apply, so more than one spouse for child care may be required, as there are limits on shift work, breaks, etc.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=CA renter]Arrrgh!!!!!![/quote]
men. can’t do fucking anything right!
have to clean up htheir fucking messes. leave threads lying around all over the place. it’s just ridiculous…[/quote]
as marriage is going out of style among young people, maybe we are realizing since it’s being monetized that we cannot afford it.
later, i think marriage will not be a thing, for various reasons, but primiarily because it’s a shitty deal. all around
Participant[quote=CA renter]Arrrgh!!!!!![/quote]
men. can’t do fucking anything right!
have to clean up htheir fucking messes. leave threads lying around all over the place. it’s just ridiculous…
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=scaredyclassic]
work outside the home is extremely easy to value; as there is a wage attached to it…[/quote]
This is precisely the problem. Since wage-earning is easy to value by default, since one’s paycheck shows the perceived value of the work, there is no dispute that it is “work.”
OTOH, we rarely compute the work that caretakers do if they are working within their own homes or for their own families. How much would you have to pay for someone to be there for your children 24/7? How much to make all the appointments and shuttle people to these appointments and manage all the follow-up? How much to manage a family’s finances — including bill paying, negotiating contracts and doing due diligence on service providers, doing investment research and allocating financial resources? How about a family’s financial/legal business like estate planning, insurance, home purchases, etc…especially if that tends to be managed by one spouse? And even though the subject is taboo, what value do we place on having biological children who will carry our last name…should the person who facilitates this do it for free, especially when they risk their health, their bodies, and reduce their value to future potential suitors?
Is any of this “work”? If so, how should we value it? Because it’s traditionally been done by women (who were owned by men, much like slaves…does a slave’s work have value, even if he/she was not paid?), should we assume that this work has no value?[/quote]
when lawyers donate their time, they don’t get to deduct it from their taxes. because that’s not considered work, i suppose? obviously it has more than zero value, i suppose. maybe. but it’s not “work”
volunteer work is, well, volunteer. to say otherwise would allow the volunteer to put whatever value he or she wanted on the work…and who would say what it was worth? certainly not any marketplace? the voluteer could say it is worth millions, billions.
and the recipient might not have even wanted any of the volunteer work to have been done. and work, on behalf of an employer, by its very definition, is something the employer, not the employee, wants done. there may be overlap, but it is the direction of the employer that drives the effort. is that what it comes down to? spouses are employees working at the direction of their employers?
this is not to say that it is valueless. just that it is wrong to go down the road of ascribing a wage to things we volunteer or want to do.
Participantis it worth money for me to simply be VOMIT PATROL GUY even if no one is vomiting, or is it just my cleaning up actual piles of vomit that are worth money. the fact that when a kid gets sick, I stand ready to serve and mop?
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